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Post by arf on Jul 31, 2015 7:03:48 GMT
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Post by mimhoff on Jul 31, 2015 7:04:40 GMT
It's probably not important.
Also, do Donald's glasses have a recording function?
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Post by wombat on Jul 31, 2015 7:05:01 GMT
So
Not a fan of the Court.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 31, 2015 7:05:13 GMT
I like to imagine that, due to Annie's presence, Donald's chair is slowly becoming more and more uncomfortably hot to sit on.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 31, 2015 7:05:33 GMT
Well, that was unexpected.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 31, 2015 7:06:17 GMT
I thought James Bond blew that up.
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 31, 2015 7:06:49 GMT
Oh, oh I do most certainly not like the sound of that.
When Omega gets added onto the name of something, you know it's going down.
And the fact that the Court is the thing Omega's being stapled to, hoooooooo boy!
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Post by edzepp on Jul 31, 2015 7:07:10 GMT
Well, so on balance: Tony is kind of a shitty parent (note: not specifically for this, kind of seems like his hands were tied, but just in general), the Court is kind of terrible (in general) and everything is awful.
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Post by ninjaraven on Jul 31, 2015 7:07:23 GMT
Omega device? oh yeah, that doesn't sound ominous. /s
So... he was trying to figure out what to do about the fire elemental situation. I guess he just couldn't figure out what to do in time before Annie was born. Or perhaps for years after. Did he ever figure it out??
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 31, 2015 7:08:13 GMT
Yaaaay, story time with Papa Anthony!
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Post by arf on Jul 31, 2015 7:08:01 GMT
Well, hello there; fire head guinea pig!
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Post by edzepp on Jul 31, 2015 7:09:44 GMT
Conspiracies!
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 31, 2015 7:13:20 GMT
Is it weird that I'm suddenly fearing that this is the point where Tony says too much and the Court decides to put an end to him?
Wacky, mad science-y, prideful, slightly murderous lot that we seem to know them as, I maintain that we at this point would be foolish to think we're even close to pinning down their true motivations.
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Post by gunnerwf on Jul 31, 2015 7:13:42 GMT
Omega/Zeta/Gamma?
Sounds important to have the name Omega .It's confirmed he was working for the court then. He's a Surgeon so it's possible this is like Zimmy. Researching the device, sounds like they have an artifact they don't know what it is. Also the pregnancy is starting to raise questions what exactly he means. Equipment bonelasers?
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Post by hnau on Jul 31, 2015 7:18:37 GMT
Red Alert. Speculation overload. Forum will explode in ...
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Post by Bill on Jul 31, 2015 7:23:44 GMT
I expect to see much wildspec activity over this Omega device. I'll start: The Omega device, when used, will transform Kat into the Angel. Further, this will either be a side effect or the usual "gone horribly wrong" effect, and the Court will at first panic about it.
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Post by madragoran on Jul 31, 2015 7:24:53 GMT
... the implications of the court offering Tony resources to investigate Surma's pregnancy are scary. Was Surma just a labrat? Is Annie an experiment? Eww. Also I will agree with the previous posters in that Donald's seat is getting hotter by the minute.
As an aside I really really hope we find out how come a diva like Surma ended with a cold fish like Anthony.
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Post by Refugee on Jul 31, 2015 7:51:18 GMT
Annie is hearing that it was the Court that kept her Father from contacting her, not that he just chose to neglect her.
And she will take that to mean she is not wrong to continue to love him and try to please him.
It may also make her feel even more guilty about not living up to his standards.
[update: sense reversing error, argh. Originally had that Annie felt guilty about living up to her Father's standards. ]
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Post by gwydion on Jul 31, 2015 7:52:39 GMT
Well this is getting interesting....
I think that Tony isn't the villain, he might be, I know I'm going to get hate for this, a good guy. After rereading the chapters since Annie came back from the Forest, the court seems to manipulating her in staying with the Court area. Annie may have pushed her luck with going to the forest too many times, and so they brought in Tony to keep her under thumb.
However.
Since tony has mentioned the court being involved or at least have a vested interest in monitoring Surma's pregnancy (This is slight speculation) then his attempts to experiment with Annie could be simply fighting back against the court.
I can't really explain his actions towards his daughter, but it might be a form of social detachment and therefore he would have difficulty in knowing the social graces of telling her to play along because he is being watched, or just not knowing how to deal with other people well.
In short he might be fighting sabotage with sabotage.
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Post by alexsl on Jul 31, 2015 7:53:37 GMT
Omega is probably code for the end of something. It can only either be a superweapon against the Wood or the "attempt to become god" connected with the aether station research. Either way, probably something unpleasant that will either go horribly wrong or horribly right and have to be stopped.
As perhaps expected, Tony is revealed to be very important to the Court, but clearly not somebody of the inner circle. Still probably able to pull strings and call in favours, perhaps more influential than the Donlans.
One wonders increasingly about the governance structures of the Court. A democracy it isn't.
Finally, Annie finding out something that she really should not have heard unfiltered in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 31, 2015 8:04:45 GMT
Annie is hearing that it was the Court that kept her Father from contacting her, not that he just chose to neglect her. Not sure that is in the comic. |
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Post by Xan on Jul 31, 2015 8:07:22 GMT
McGuffin time!
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Post by philman on Jul 31, 2015 8:23:38 GMT
Well this is getting interesting.... I think that Tony isn't the villain, he might be, I know I'm going to get hate for this, a good guy. After rereading the chapters since Annie came back from the Forest, the court seems to manipulating her in staying with the Court area. Annie may have pushed her luck with going to the forest too many times, and so they brought in Tony to keep her under thumb. However. Since tony has mentioned the court being involved or at least have a vested interest in monitoring Surma's pregnancy (This is slight speculation) then his attempts to experiment with Annie could be simply fighting back against the court. I can't really explain his actions towards his daughter, but it might be a form of social detachment and therefore he would have difficulty in knowing the social graces of telling her to play along because he is being watched, or just not knowing how to deal with other people well. In short he might be fighting sabotage with sabotage. I think you're giving him a bit too much credit here. The court was keeping him busy sure, but that still doesn't explain his actions since he came back. I assume we'll find out more soon though. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jul 31, 2015 8:41:14 GMT
Holy hell, they've had him on this research since literally before Annie was born.
The same contractual agreement is probably what pays for Annie's schooling, too. After Surma's death, it would really be only way of keeping that research and Annie separated, what with no one else to look after her.
...The way he worded that last panel has me horribly worried that Annie is going to discover she was an accident, since the pregnancy was apparently already in progress before he had any inkling of how to prevent her death. Doesn't matter how he would say it, such a piece of information couldn't possibly go down well.
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Post by aline on Jul 31, 2015 8:50:05 GMT
Annie is hearing that it was the Court that kept her Father from contacting her, not that he just chose to neglect her. Not sure that is in the comic. Not quite, but close. Tony obviously wasn't forbidden to talk to his daughter, it was the Court who tracked Annie for him and transfered the call to Jones' phone in Microsat 5. Even if that was just a one time thing, I don't see what prevented him to add "By the way, hope you're well, take care". And why not warn his girl that he was going to be busy for a while before disappearing for years? There was no need to get into detail, but that would have prevented her from spending a whole summer waiting for him.
On the other side: he did have some important work to do, he didn't leave just because he didn't want to be around his daughter. The decision to work on that "Omega device" thing was made before her birth, it had nothing to do with Annie. And he had good reasons to not want to discuss the whole matter in detail at the dinner table. That explains quite a bit about his secretive behavior, if this is so bad that even Donald is afraid of discussing it.
And there is another side to this story, namely Tony's efforts to cure Surma. It could be that he agreed to certain conditions so the Court would provide the support necessary to investigating his wife's condition. The fact that he had to use a secret message to Donald to get his hands on some supplies tells me he doesn't want to report all of his experiments to the Court bosses. Mere speculation at this stage of course.
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Post by madragoran on Jul 31, 2015 9:08:55 GMT
Holy hell, they've had him on this research since literally before Annie was born. The same contractual agreement is probably what pays for Annie's schooling, too. After Surma's death, it would really be only way of keeping that research and Annie separated, what with no one else to look after her. ...The way he worded that last panel has me horribly worried that Annie is going to discover she was an accident, since the pregnancy was apparently already in progress before he had any inkling of how to prevent her death. Doesn't matter how he would say it, such a piece of information couldn't possibly go down well. Being a certain age I have long since realised that most of my generation and before are mostly accidents. Unless you mean that they actively trying to avoide Surma gettting pregnant and Anne was not just an accident but a lethal mistake. |
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Post by kittygirlhazel on Jul 31, 2015 9:11:49 GMT
Well, it appears Mr Carver is a little more complex than we thought.
Even if he was trying to save Annie, though, he's still approaching this entirely the wrong way. I'm sorry, but that kind of behaviour towards one's own offspring is unacceptable. Couldn't he have let her know that he was going to be away for a long time? Couldn't he have told her before he came back? And that scene in the classroom - totally unnecessary. Might I point out that Margo also appeared to be wearing some kind of make-up? He singled Annie out on purpose.
If severing the fire spirit requires this - emotional abuse, isolation from her peers, dissociation so bad she literally cuts her soul out - then this method isn't a good one and a new one needs to be found. If the Court was involved in this it should've been blocked on ethical grounds. Of course, the Court doesn't care much for that. And if those actions were all Anthony? Well, he needs to have Annie taken away from him. (Can wolf-trees or fox demons legally adopt part-human children?)
Also. Omega Device? We can assume it's something etheric. And something important. Tony refers to it as "blasted", meaning he doesn't like it for some reason. My guess is he went along with what the Court was doing to save Surma, which while noble still doesn't improve my opinion of him. The Court doesn't want Anthony talking about it to anyone, even to people who know what it is.
My guess? Omega means end. It's the Court's "end-game" - the completion of their attempt to become god. And at some point, Annie and Kat are going to take a closer look at it - which could have an interesting effect on Kat.
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Post by justcurious on Jul 31, 2015 9:21:32 GMT
Two things.
Neither Tony or Donnie trust the court.
And the barrenness of Tony's house might not be his aesthetics or not solely but a measure against eavesdropping devices.
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Post by Pig_catapult on Jul 31, 2015 10:29:05 GMT
Two things. Neither Tony or Donnie trust the court. And the barrenness of Tony's house might not be his aesthetics or not solely but a measure against eavesdropping devices. ... I wonder, is feng shui code for "de-bug"?  |
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Post by Trillium on Jul 31, 2015 10:59:23 GMT
Leaving off the topic of Tony's parenting skills..
"They had me out there..." Good Hope?
"Their blasted Omega device..." The arrow that was used to make the sacrifice and keeps Jeanne trapped?
"So the Court knew you were there the whole time?" The Court knew? Did that include any of Annie's teachers?
Things a getting very interesting.
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