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Post by m0rtimer on Jul 13, 2015 7:06:33 GMT
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Post by Gotolei on Jul 13, 2015 7:07:27 GMT
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Post by gunnerwf on Jul 13, 2015 7:07:58 GMT
At least we're getting an idea why she split herself
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 13, 2015 7:08:42 GMT
OH HELL.
Warped dissociated doorway, more uncomfortable parallels. This pretty well confirms it, Annie cut out her Anger to keep from losing it and melting her jerk father
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Post by Trillium on Jul 13, 2015 7:09:31 GMT
Jeese, I hope Annie doesn’t see her elemental side as a demon. There would not be much room for coming to terms. They have got to communicate with each other.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 13, 2015 7:09:45 GMT
This is some Vulcan level dealing with your emotions.
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Post by mangotango on Jul 13, 2015 7:10:36 GMT
Fun fact: i was madly refreshing for the past ten minutes, not bothering to start it myself... thanks for the thread though!!  Wise words, Ys...sure, now we know why Annie split herself, but I wonder how elemental!Annie is going to remember that info as? Right before the flashback it seems that E!Annie was calming down some, though i only have a bit of an idea for how it has. |
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Jul 13, 2015 7:10:58 GMT
Called it!
Ah, I wonder what it would be like, separation from our anger being that "easy."
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 13, 2015 7:11:10 GMT
This is some Vulcan level dealing with your emotions. ANNIE. ANNIE! Ysengrin was speaking metaphorical-PUT DOWN THE TOOTH, ANNIE! |
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Post by shadowhunter on Jul 13, 2015 7:12:16 GMT
I wonder how the personal demon feels about that.
Also, what a chilling fourth panel.
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Post by fwip on Jul 13, 2015 7:12:47 GMT
Ysengrin does pretty well, overall, I feel. I've got a lot of respect for him because he acknowledges and does his best to compensate for his weaknesses. He should totally go into therapy though.
"Why are you here today?"
"Because I tried to kill one of my closest friends by chasing her on a tree."
"..."
I wonder how well ‼Annie‼ would have fared in that situation, or even just post Crash-Course Annie.
zzzzz
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 13, 2015 7:13:25 GMT
The thing that's rather weird is up until Anthony came back, Annie didn't see her elemental side as a personal demon. At times she's even reveled in it. So what's changed?
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Post by smurfton on Jul 13, 2015 7:15:48 GMT
Fun fact: i was madly refreshing for the past ten minutes, not bothering to start it myself... thanks for the thread though!! Wise words, Ys...sure, now we know why Annie split herself, but I wonder how elemental!Annie is going to remember that info as? Right before the flashback it seems that E!Annie was calming down some, though i only have a bit of an idea for how it has. I disagree. I can't see denying that it is a part of yourself as healthy. Better is to be aware and admit to yourself that it is present, and learn to temper your actions with the knowledge. |
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Post by gunnerwf on Jul 13, 2015 7:15:59 GMT
The thing that's rather weird is up until Anthony came back, Annie didn't see her elemental side as a personal demon. At times she's even reveled in it. So what's changed? The anger towards her dad |
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Post by fwip on Jul 13, 2015 7:16:18 GMT
The thing that's rather weird is up until Anthony came back, Annie didn't see her elemental side as a personal demon. At times she's even reveled in it. So what's changed? Her bond with her father is stronger than her bond with her own powers. What changed is that that part of her wanted to kill her father. of course this is all conjecture and I'm half asleep. G'night. |
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Post by smurfton on Jul 13, 2015 7:19:08 GMT
Do you play dwarf fortress? |
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Jul 13, 2015 7:20:20 GMT
The thing that's rather weird is up until Anthony came back, Annie didn't see her elemental side as a personal demon. At times she's even reveled in it. So what's changed? Well, I think the answer is... she doesn't see it as one? She said nothing of the sorts, so do not jump to conclusions - that is merely Ysengrin's stance on his own situation. I think she sees the separation more like a necessary bad, that has to happen for the sake of not immolating his father. But that's just me, I guess we'll see more in this chapter. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 13, 2015 7:41:16 GMT
Huh. Would you describe this friend as a mentally stable person?
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Post by smurfton on Jul 13, 2015 7:55:37 GMT
Huh. Would you describe this friend as a mentally stable person? No, but I don't think anybody has ever given her a different idea. Besides, I have a feeling that she wouldn't allow many others to bring up the subject. |
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Post by ninjaraven on Jul 13, 2015 8:01:07 GMT
I think Gauldoth has the right of it - Annie cut off her elemental self as a last-ditch effort to control her anger, rather than viewing it as a demon. Coyote did point out to her that her temper flares up (and we've seen what happens when Annie's temper flares). But it seems that E!Annie might be able to learn self control on her own. Perhaps E!Annie is afraid her human half thinks of her as a demon? |
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Post by hajino on Jul 13, 2015 8:39:44 GMT
Annie just had to take it literally...
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jul 13, 2015 8:40:34 GMT
Not the best guy to take advice from about anger issues. Particularly when you consider his memories are swiss cheese thus blocking out the worst of it.
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Post by justcurious on Jul 13, 2015 8:47:49 GMT
I think Tony has no idea what a dangerous game he is playing, even after his previous apparent attempt at control backfired. He probably knows somebody interfered but has no idea who. He does not seem to realize that Annie is finding it hard to control a side of herself that could kill or injure him.
With the loss of his hand he can't try the same method again. He probably came back so he could try something different.
But Surma had a worse temper than Annie. Even he should know the potential for a berserk rage on Annie's part, after all she did engage in one in "Fire Spike". Perhaps he can't see it because to do so he would have to see how he looks to others. He realizes that if the Donlons knew they would be highly critical. His evasiveness shows that. He does not seem to realize that people might see his actions as atrocious rather than just wrong and might act accordingly.
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Post by gwydion on Jul 13, 2015 9:44:21 GMT
Well that's a sound piece of advice to give a very literal minded person. I really want to see how this plays out now.
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Post by crater on Jul 13, 2015 9:45:59 GMT
I think Tony has no idea what a dangerous game he is playing, even after his previous apparent attempt at control backfired. He probably knows somebody interfered but has no idea who. He does not seem to realize that Annie is finding it hard to control a side of herself that could kill or injure him. With the loss of his hand he can't try the same method again. He probably came back so he could try something different. But Surma had a worse temper than Annie. Even he should know the potential for a berserk rage on Annie's part, after all she did engage in one in "Fire Spike". Perhaps he can't see it because to do so he would have to see how he looks to others. He realizes that if the Donlons knew they would be highly critical. His evasiveness shows that. He does not seem to realize that people might see his actions as atrocious rather than just wrong and might act accordingly. or maybe he does understand the game he is playing. |
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Post by calpal on Jul 13, 2015 10:17:21 GMT
Huh. Would you describe this friend as a mentally stable person? So THAT is where, specifically, she learns about keeping her emotions under control! |
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Post by elebenty on Jul 13, 2015 10:38:28 GMT
I wonder how elemental!Annie is going to remember that info as? Right before the flashback it seems that E!Annie was calming down some, though i only have a bit of an idea for how it has. But it seems that E!Annie might be able to learn self control on her own. Perhaps E!Annie is afraid her human half thinks of her as a demon? This may be the centerpiece of the chapter. We have Numb!Annie wandering around with just enough personal fire to shrug off Kat, while E!Annie is having an existential crisis. "Am I a demon, a monster to be hidden away/dealt with? Does Annie!Prime want nothing to do with me? Should I run away? Worse?" I wonder if E!Annie sees Numb!Annie as superior or complete without her fiery half? We know that she needs to reconnect, but what is E!Annie's experience of the last few days? MT & NR are both right, E!Annie has depth and appears to have the capacity to be introspective and calm. What if more of Annie's nature was sequestered with the flame than she intended? |
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Post by madragoran on Jul 13, 2015 11:03:38 GMT
There are times in a person's life where they must make a descision or lose it all. The sad thing is that no one knows beforehand what the right descision is and how it will all work out. Our position as readers is unique as we "usually" have information that is not available to the heroes. Annie is not my favourite character in this comic, since she came off as arrogant and manipulative, which in retrospect seems like it was just her being devastatingly unsure about herself and lonely. Anyway. Annie thinking of any part of herself as a monster is making me dizzy. Who are we without those bits that spark and hurt? Oh it takes work to manage those bits, but seriously who would carry out lobotomy on themselves?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 13, 2015 11:05:43 GMT
It makes narrative sense for the flashback to include Annie cutting her hair and it makes sense for that to have happened in Annie's bedroom in the Friends apartment. But while the wall, door, and door frame are the same color, the furniture near Annie's room was a little different. And the door handle is on the opposite side. The handle is on the correct side for Kat's bedroom door based on the floor plan, but the furniture doesn't match. The wonky door might be the inside of the entry door with the kitchen counter on the right. |
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Post by agasa on Jul 13, 2015 11:17:29 GMT
[...]. Anyway. Annie thinking of any part of herself as a monster is making me dizzy. Who are we without those bits that spark and hurt? Oh it takes work to manage those bits, but seriously who would carry out lobotomy on themselves? Oh God, this strikes close to home. Ok, so. I had to deal with rather complicated and personally annihilating events in my life, so, uh, I can guarantee based on my own experience that sometimes what Annie did is the only thing to do. It's not healthy, and actually corrodes, no, demolishes one's self in not so much time, but it can be unavoidable. It's a defense mechanism for your actual, whole persona; separate your actual feelings and create a mask to present to the world, to protect them. It's actually what Annie has been doing for a long time, but this events precipitated things and made her do it in a way more radical way. When the pressure increases too much, the "real" persona might apparently completely disappear, and be replaced by the facade. Not just for the outside, but for the inside, too; you actually DO force yourself to change your thought patterns to match the mask, whatever mask it may be. In my experience, this doesn't go on too long without making you depressed, prone to violent outbursts and ultimately self-harm. I hope that this stops soon. I fear for Annie. |
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