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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 8, 2015 7:06:53 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Jul 8, 2015 7:08:32 GMT
Well.
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Post by Salty on Jul 8, 2015 7:11:03 GMT
So yeah. That's definitely Annie's fire elemental side, and with it her anger (and all the anger issues she had) as well as what I suspect is a wide variance of her actual ability to express/feel emotions.
Now the only question remaining is whether she herself cut it off in order to prevent her anger from overflowing going after Douchicus immediately, or whether it's the product of his "work"
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Post by pasko on Jul 8, 2015 7:11:25 GMT
So, hypotesis:
1) She becomes white hot and burns the photo. It is a catalyst of her rage and teaches her how to touch the physical world. Hilarity ensues.
2) The photo has a defense against her and Tony actually knows and is monitoring Elemental Annie.
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 8, 2015 7:11:44 GMT
Well it's hardly surprising really. I mean no matter how much apologetics Annie produces on Anthony's behalf, there's got to be a certain amount of negative feeling towards him, especially since his...Disappointing return.
That this would manifest in what seems to be the embodiment of her more volatile side, makes sense.
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Post by esc7 on Jul 8, 2015 7:12:02 GMT
That can't be healthy.
Now it all makes sense. The part that is angry at her dad is all bottle up here, nowhere to be seen in the other half of Annie.
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Post by fwip on Jul 8, 2015 7:12:23 GMT
ChrisJenL's thread was 1 second newer according to the IRC channel bot. Oh well, too late now.
It would appear that the fire elemental is basically Annie's angry half (obviously) and now I'm super worried about her. I wonder if she actually split off her elemental half, or she just projected a fire avatar back into her room with all of her angry emotions? Seems unlikely.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 8, 2015 7:18:34 GMT
She becomes white hot and burns the photo. It is a catalyst of her rage and teaches her how to touch the physical world. Hilarity ensues. I think she'll burn the photo too. At least a little. Not sure she'll be able to burn anything else, at least where "that guy" isn't concerned. [random thought] If not for girls with daddy issues my romantic life through highschool would've been very boring... [/randomthought] |
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Post by justcurious on Jul 8, 2015 7:18:51 GMT
Well guesses that Annie has been isolating the part of her that is angry at her father seem to have been confirmed.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 8, 2015 7:21:13 GMT
So, hypotesis: 1) She becomes white hot and burns the photo. It is a catalyst of her rage and teaches her how to touch the physical world. Hilarity ensues. RIP AND TEAR AND BURN. RIP AND TEAR AND BURN. |
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 8, 2015 7:21:33 GMT
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 8, 2015 7:24:39 GMT
Burn the child.
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Post by Goatmon on Jul 8, 2015 7:29:52 GMT
Okay in all seriousness, I can't be the only one here who sees the spirit entering the photo, can I?
It seems to be physically getting drawn into it in the last panel.
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Post by crater on Jul 8, 2015 7:34:54 GMT
If I was one of the books watching I'd be so nervous right now
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jul 8, 2015 7:38:54 GMT
Well it's hardly surprising really. I mean no matter how much apologetics Annie produces on Anthony's behalf, there's got to be a certain amount of negative feeling towards him, especially since his...Disappointing return. That this would manifest in what seems to be the embodiment of her more volatile side, makes sense. Is the fire elemental actually her though? I mean, it contains her life force, yes, but it's also many generations older than she is, and currently in a position to think and act on its own. Who's to say it doesn't remember all of its past lives as Annie's mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, etc? Things Annie herself doesn't remember one bit. Maybe the fire elemental hates Anthony because it's hated him for a long time, and Annie's decision to cut off her hair was to prevent those alien feelings from infecting her in Anthony's presence. Especially given his conduct. This...could easily lead to a meandering philosophical discussion about what constitutes a person/an independent "self". I, uh...apologize in advance. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jul 8, 2015 7:42:27 GMT
...Welp. That's probably the clearest, most blunt answer to a question we've gotten for awhile now.
Burn it alllll *mad cackle*
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 8, 2015 7:43:49 GMT
Well it's hardly surprising really. I mean no matter how much apologetics Annie produces on Anthony's behalf, there's got to be a certain amount of negative feeling towards him, especially since his...Disappointing return. That this would manifest in what seems to be the embodiment of her more volatile side, makes sense. Is the fire elemental actually her though? I mean, it contains her life force, yes, but it's also many generations older than she is, and currently in a position to think and act on its own. Who's to say it doesn't remember all of its past lives as Annie's mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, etc? Things Annie herself doesn't remember one bit. Maybe the fire elemental hates Anthony because it's hated him for a long time, and Annie's decision to cut off her hair was to prevent those alien feelings from infecting her in Anthony's presence. Especially given his conduct. This...could easily lead to a meandering philosophical discussion about what constitutes a person/an independent "self". I, uh...apologize in advance. Eh, hence saying "what seems". We just don't know at this point. But consider that during Divine, Annie had "no fight in her", and this was while the Fire was incapacitated. Who could say what a Zimmytrip into Annie's mind would have been like if whatever influence was there during that sequence was absent. It may not be her persay, but I think it definitely has a LOT to do with her more outgoing emotions. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 8, 2015 7:57:09 GMT
That is terrifying. If she gains the ability to affect the material world next page, I would give Tony 50% odds of survival. I suspect that Annie did this to herself (*jumps onto bandwagon*), to prevent herself from maiming or killing her father. For if she allowed herself a little fire for intimidation, or "demonstration of prowess", it would be very hard to keep her rage in check. Also, Elemental Annie is now at least as angry as Jeanne! Place your bets, folks!Did I mention that this page is terrifying in what might happen next? Edit: I just looked back at the title page. I now fear/predict a disaster chapter. Though the previous two pages impart more of a sad, frustrated feel to this one. |
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Post by rafk on Jul 8, 2015 8:11:05 GMT
Not Creepy At All
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Post by madragoran on Jul 8, 2015 8:15:37 GMT
Aha! interaction with the physical world! Lets see the worl burn. No I do not want to actually see the world burn but when Annie cut out all the fire she not only rid herself of anger and outbursts and "bad" things [in her eyes not mine] she also released all those things from her control. It's a pity it seems unlikely she will ever have a nurturing growing resolution to her issues.
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Post by scottdog on Jul 8, 2015 8:19:50 GMT
Haven't we seen Jeanne make that face before? Like, that EXACT same face?
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Post by arf on Jul 8, 2015 8:21:21 GMT
Could we call this apparition 'Anniemental'?
OK. Another hypothesis: the cut is preventing the elemental from 'glassing' the room. What if it manages to 'bridge the gap'?
(The similarity to Mad Jeanne is striking.)
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 8, 2015 9:38:49 GMT
We feel ya, girl.
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 8, 2015 10:06:17 GMT
Haven't we seen Jeanne make that face before? Like, that EXACT same face? it's an angry face (the angriest face!) I don't think you should see more into it than that |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 8, 2015 10:29:11 GMT
Okay in all seriousness, I can't be the only one here who sees the spirit entering the photo, can I? It seems to be physically getting drawn into it in the last panel. ... Who's to say it doesn't remember all of its past lives as Annie's mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, etc? Things Annie herself doesn't remember one bit. Maybe the fire elemental hates Anthony because it's hated him for a long time, and Annie's decision to cut off her hair was to prevent those alien feelings from infecting her in Anthony's presence. ... Maybe we are about to see what happened to Surma and Anthony, through the Fire Elemental's memories and perspective. EDIT: Others have already said it, but there are striking parallels in how Tom is drawing the Fire Elemental in the last panel on this page and how he drew the Mecha Angel in the second to last panel of page 62 in The Torn Sea. Switch the color pallet between red and blue and it might be a challenge to tell which is which. |
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Post by kelantar on Jul 8, 2015 11:42:22 GMT
Me too, Fire Annie. Me too.
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Post by pxc on Jul 8, 2015 12:06:50 GMT
I'd really like to see how the interaction between zombie Annie and fire Annie went.
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Post by machival on Jul 8, 2015 12:11:12 GMT
Well, I can see that the fire elemental just loves Anthony Carver. A real friendly pair, they will make.
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 8, 2015 12:16:06 GMT
I don't think you should see more into it than that *shrug* I think it's an entirely valid observation. And more than a bit terrifying. Now it all makes sense. The part that is angry at her dad is all bottle up here, nowhere to be seen in the other half of Annie. Hopefully this finally convinces people that this is a bad change for Annie. (And for everyone else in the Court blast radius if they've made a new Jeanne.) It's been a little irksome that every new development has a (decreasing) chorus of people saying "This is probably a good thing for Annie!" then the next day "Well, it wasn't a good thing, but this next thing probably is!" |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 8, 2015 12:52:34 GMT
That's what this page's last panel reminded me of. I was bothered by a sense of déjà vu.
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