elebenty
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Post by elebenty on May 8, 2015 7:03:12 GMT
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Post by youwiththeface on May 8, 2015 7:04:25 GMT
That is the best card in the history of ever. (And still nobody believe Winsbury and Janet are going out.)
And Jesus yeah, it looks like this is where Anthony's keeping her. Eesh.
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Trism
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Post by Trism on May 8, 2015 7:05:47 GMT
That's a real depressing bedroom there, Carver.
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Post by gunnerwf on May 8, 2015 7:06:55 GMT
Still in denial I see
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Post by carasanathema on May 8, 2015 7:07:52 GMT
The tears in her eyes are killing me. She believes what she's saying.
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Post by gunnerwf on May 8, 2015 7:08:20 GMT
Did she cut her hair herself or did her dad make her cut her hair?
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Post by gillyc on May 8, 2015 7:11:36 GMT
I think the underwater dorms have communal bathroom facilities, she'll probably be using those.
Looks like a hospital bedroom, so maybe she doesn't mind too much.
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Post by aline on May 8, 2015 7:12:36 GMT
Her reaction to the card breaks my heart more than the state of her room.
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Post by Refugee on May 8, 2015 7:14:15 GMT
OK, I was wrong about this not being Annie's new living quarters. I still don't exactly understand the layout, and I hope she can turn the lights out to sleep, but...OK.
This does have more than a whiff of vindictiveness to it. However, at least her door doesn't have a lock on it, and Kat seems to be able to come and go at will.
We still don't know about Renard.
I hope she finds a way to relieve all that whiteness. Very oppressive.
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She doesn't seem to quite get the teenage male sense of humor.
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Post by ninjaraven on May 8, 2015 7:20:06 GMT
Well, admittedly Winsbury would not be my first choice for designing a consolation card  . Sometimes the thought doesn't count the way we hope it would. Are the girls going to do something different for Annie? What a peculiar room. why is it designed the way it is designed? Looks like Annie's still hung up on how others perceive her. It's gonna take her a while to recover from that, I think. What do people do when they've lived behind a mask for so long and can no longer do so? |
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Post by Refugee on May 8, 2015 7:20:26 GMT
I think the underwater dorms have communal bathroom facilities, she'll probably be using those. Looks like a hospital bedroom, so maybe she doesn't mind too much. Way too far away, even just counting the length of the foyer. No, I'm hoping she has a little shower, toilet, and vanity hidden away in the nook somewhere. |
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Post by Onomatopoeia on May 8, 2015 7:23:18 GMT
This farce grows more absurd with every passing chapter.
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Post by zimmyzims on May 8, 2015 7:27:12 GMT
She doesn't seem to quite get the teenage male sense of humor. You have to admit the joke is badly placed. Even if they didn't mean it to come out that way, it is very insulting. Only thing that's missing is that when she turns it over, on the back side it reads "and that you had to cheat to make the year nine, idiot!" |
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Post by sapientcoffee on May 8, 2015 7:30:14 GMT
Except that who her dad is and how he's treating her isn't her fault. The cheating is.
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Post by youwiththeface on May 8, 2015 7:31:02 GMT
She doesn't seem to quite get the teenage male sense of humor. You have to admit the joke is badly placed. Even if they didn't mean it to come out that way, it is very insulting. Only thing that's missing is that when she turns it over, on the back side it reads "and that you had to cheat to make the year nine, idiot!" I didn't take it as a joke, I took it as completely sincere. Also I don't see how mentioning the cheating would have had anything to do with the other two things they mentioned. This farce grows more absurd with every passing chapter. And by every passing chapter you mean...one chapter. |
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Post by scalesandfins on May 8, 2015 7:31:22 GMT
gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1005"Ah...how did that happen? You idiot. He must think you're so stupid." And now, "Kat, they're making fun of me. They think I'm an idiot." If the word "idiot" at any point exits Anthony's mouth I will lose my fucking shit.
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Post by carasanathema on May 8, 2015 7:34:26 GMT
Ok, the only thing I can possibly think of to explain her father's actions (I'm guessing this has been mentioned before by others) is that The Court decided she was too powerful, dangerous, and uncontrolled, and therefore blackmailed Anthony into taking these steps and acting this way to save her from a worse fate than what The Court has in mind. We know that they're ok with child endangerment, and even murder, if it suits their ends. Maybe Anthony is just as trapped as Antimony? And the other adults are restrained from helping for the same reason?
That's all I've got beyond him being a horrible human being and/or a deluded megalomaniac.
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Post by Onomatopoeia on May 8, 2015 7:35:01 GMT
And by every passing chapter you mean...one chapter. I actually meant to say page. Got mixed up. |
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Post by Refugee on May 8, 2015 7:38:01 GMT
I didn't take it as a joke, I took it as completely sincere. Also I don't see how mentioning the cheating would have had anything to do with the other two things they mentioned. I think the sentiment was sincere, but the phrasing? The boys are trying to cheer Annie up by being flippant. They may think that Annie's Father forced her to cut her hair. That may have missed its mark, if, as I believe, Annie whacked her hair off herself. I will say this, though, having once long ago BEEN a teenaged boy: every single one them imagines himself offering her his shoulder to cry on, and having her fall in love with him. |
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quark
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Post by quark on May 8, 2015 7:42:08 GMT
gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1005"Ah...how did that happen? You idiot. He must think you're so stupid." And now, "Kat, they're making fun of me. They think I'm an idiot." If the word "idiot" at any point exits Anthony's mouth I will lose my fucking shit. Seconded. She doesn't seem to quite get the teenage male sense of humor. You have to admit the joke is badly placed. Even if they didn't mean it to come out that way, it is very insulting. Only thing that's missing is that when she turns it over, on the back side it reads "and that you had to cheat to make the year nine, idiot!" It's.. not really a joke. It's snarky, yeah, but it's very clearly expressing sympathy for her. |
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Post by Vilthuril on May 8, 2015 7:43:59 GMT
Oh god. The very picture of a person whose entire self-image and self-worth, which was apparently shaky already, has been intentionally and utterly destroyed; whose "father" continues to do everything he can to keep her completely smashed into an emotional pulp and unable to stand up for herself in any way; who is being - despite the deniers out there who will never admit it [edit: and who frequently try twisting things to blame and demean Annie herself, and apparently in the current thread also the people involved in actually trying to give Annie support] - mentally abused by all legal, moral and practical standards, with all the likely negative consequences that brings such as depression, (continuing) poor academic performance, and even suicide.
*sigh* As I wrote before I had actually assumed first that this was Annie and Kat's secret meeting place, but well...nope, it's her room. Horrid and horrifying, the more so because apparently no other adults who know what is going on will do anything about it, or indeed challenge in any way the manipulative, nasty, secretive, unreliable, self-interested dirtbags who make all the decisions at The Court (and The Forest for that matter.) Well, hooray for Kat, and hooray for the other students; keep it up, folks, and on to the sneaking! What's really needed is a revolution of events that will bring democracy, rule of law, and "human" (sentient being!) rights to these benighted places.
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Post by Onomatopoeia on May 8, 2015 7:49:34 GMT
If the word "idiot" at any point exits Anthony's mouth I will lose my fucking shit. What if he's calling himself an idiot at that time?  |
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Post by Refugee on May 8, 2015 7:51:44 GMT
It's.. not really a joke. It's snarky, yeah, but it's very clearly expressing sympathy for her. Concur with that. The sympathy is real, but the snark is classic teenage a-bit-too-clever. |
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Post by Vilthuril on May 8, 2015 7:54:41 GMT
Ok, the only thing I can possibly think of to explain her father's actions (I'm guessing this has been mentioned before by others) is that The Court decided she was too powerful, dangerous, and uncontrolled, and therefore blackmailed Anthony into taking these steps and acting this way to save her from a worse fate than what The Court has in mind. We know that they're ok with child endangerment, and even murder, if it suits their ends. Maybe Anthony is just as trapped as Antimony? And the other adults are restrained from helping for the same reason? That's all I've got beyond him being a horrible human being and/or a deluded megalomaniac. Occam's Razor gives insight into this, again: On the one hand, everything we see says that Anthony is acting as an evil dirtbag, doing massive and gratuitous emotional damage to Annie with cruel behaviours totally unrelated and unnecessary to addressing his actual concerns - if any - for her or her safety, and indeed more likely destructive than helpful to her emotional and physical health and future success. Assumptions necessary for this to be true: One, that what is staring us in the face is true. On the other hand, an extensive speculation based on no evidence except, "It would be nasty if someone did X, and these guys are nasty, so they may/must have done X," [edit: Or alternatively, for some other posters here, "Anthony is her parent; parents must always be assumed to be working for their children's good no matter what; thus everything he is doing must be to prevent something worse."] Assumptions necessary for this to be true: Ten or Twenty. Thus, the former is almost certainly true; of course, this is a story and Tom can take it whatever direction he wants, but being a good storyteller he tends to indeed keep fairly close to things that actually follow logically. |
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madragoran
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Post by madragoran on May 8, 2015 7:55:09 GMT
Damn and blast! Ok... so this is her room. And Tom shows exactly what is wrong with Annie. I find it a common theme to children who are victims of neglect (absentee or abusive parents). It's a negative self image. "I must be worthless for even my own parents to not love me". This makes it very difficult (for some people nearly impossible) to create healthy relationships growing up. It takes huge amounts of work to overcome this. Trusting others is a Herculian task. I am amazingly lucky as I have found a core of people who got my back and kick my ass or hold my hand as required. It is still a huge fight most days.
tl;dr version Aaaaaaargh!
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Post by Onomatopoeia on May 8, 2015 7:56:48 GMT
Nothing about either of these chapters comes within spitting distance of follow logically.
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Post by OrzBrain on May 8, 2015 8:16:30 GMT
Well, at least she realizes they might have reason to make fun of her. I guess that's progress of a kind. She can see that her actions are unreasonable enough to draw ridicule.
Now change those actions.
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Anthony
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Post by Anthony on May 8, 2015 8:29:34 GMT
What a peculiar room. why is it designed the way it is designed? It looks like some sort of warehouse quickly remade for living. I wonder if there is a bathroom. |
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Post by noone3 on May 8, 2015 8:32:26 GMT
at least her door doesn't have a lock on it The worst are chains inside one's mind. |
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Post by zimmyzims on May 8, 2015 8:38:03 GMT
You have to admit the joke is badly placed. Even if they didn't mean it to come out that way, it is very insulting. Only thing that's missing is that when she turns it over, on the back side it reads "and that you had to cheat to make the year nine, idiot!" It's.. not really a joke. It's snarky, yeah, but it's very clearly expressing sympathy for her. The card they wrote is so condescending and insulting it does not in any way clearly express sympathy to her. It does express something close to sympathy very clearly, and that something is pity. But that's what Annie resents. Maybe mister Winsbury, who is admittedly still young and inexperienced, is mislead by his peculiar relationship with young miss Llanwellyn, but if you really want to express sympathy for somebody, I can give two tips: 1) don't start by insulting her new hairdo, 2) don't continue by insulting her relationship with her father whom she's been missing for years. And if you don't follow these two tips, please follow a third one: 3) for crying out loud try to make up for those insults somehow! She may have decided for the hairdo herself, and appears to be happy about her father returning despite the related events, so if you want to express sympathy, I can immediately imagine a ton of ways better than insulting her in both respects. As said, this may be understandable from William who has long been used to start the conversations with Janet by insulting her. Starting with a simple "We miss you" would have carried the sympathetic message much better, and to continue it with just as simple "we really do" would probably have brought it home completely. And even if Winsbury had an urge to insult Annie's father, he could have done it in a way that does not insult Annie. Say, "We miss you..." [open the card] "although we don't miss your father". This would also have been completely true, because they're getting their fair share of Mr. Carver at school in biology classes, so he literally is not missing from them. And if they really want to tell they're sorry for her, rather than missing her or liking her or wishing her the best, they would have thought it out better if they were "Sorry that you had to move away" or something like that, and maybe to continue it with "but we love your new hair!!" and draw a big fat heart after it. That rather than being sorry for her hair! I understand that people think this is a great card, because it expresses the same feelings that they themselves have been writing on the board for some time now. So, as they consider themselves as sympathetic towards Annie, they think that kind of card is good and sympathetic for Annie too. However, for them, I wish that when they are living hard times and are alone, people they know but don't closely befriend with and no longer meet on a regular basis will send them condescending insults about things they have chosen and that they love, so that personal experience could help them understand what is beyond their intellect. (E.g., you get married with a foreigner and choose to do that according to a tradition that is strange to people you've lived with, and they'd send you cards reading "Sorry about your wedding... and your husband".) |
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