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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 22, 2007 17:31:18 GMT
Story discussion for strip #195.
Obviously, Gamma cares a lot for Zimmy, and this certainly shows that very well. ^^ We can see that scratch on the side of Annie's face again, when Zimmy is turned around, so is it possible that Gamma can see it too? I suppose that would be supported from #192 as well.
Speculation is a Good Thing (TM), but sometimes we can get a piece of it so stuck in our heads without any supporting evidence that it can go sour. On the other hand, Tom might use it. Please remember that Speculation != Fact/Analysis, and should be marked as speculation.
Edit: Editing with a chainsaw
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Post by Bard of the Green on Jan 22, 2007 18:49:35 GMT
I think another point to take into consideration would be the name of the chapter. Somehow, Gamma is just as involved in this as Zimmy. Dobranoc, meaning good night in Polish, definitely infers Gamma, as Zimmy seems to be native to Birmingham. I wonder if the scratch returning has to do with some supernatural prensence, contained within the "storm" perhaps? Or is it just being in the company of these two very odd girls. A puzzlement, to be sure.
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Post by iMacThere4iAm on Jan 22, 2007 19:39:28 GMT
The story's getting so tense now, with the approaching storm. I can't really think about it anymore, I just wanna know what's happening!
Hmm, it's like the tension you really feel before a storm. Clever Tom!
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Post by Dakini on Jan 22, 2007 19:40:52 GMT
Bard, you just raised a fascinating question: if Zimmy's from Birmingham, where or when did she learn Polish? She's only known Gamma for about a year and a third, and apparently they can communicate mind-to-mind. Why bother learning another language when you can do that? Or did Zimmy pick up the language that way?
Another thought: Gamma reassures Zimmy in the middle set of panels, but then in the bottom-most panels Zimmy's walking away, and the other two follow at a distance (as we see by the first page of this chapter). Was Gamma saying goodbye to Zimmy in those middle panels? Or does the electrical nature of the impending storm mean Gamma might be harmed by proximity to Zimmy?
Finally there's the fascinating alchemical "slant" to the story. I wrote a post on another page where I speculated on the nature of the symbols and such which Tom was using. I wish I'd saved it, since it's gone with the rest of the old comments, but I still wonder if there are clues to the storyline within the nature of the symbology chosen. Tom: thanks for a fascinating story; I look forward to many more.
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Post by katana on Jan 22, 2007 20:13:05 GMT
More pages more questions!
If Tom doesn't give us any answer in next page, my brain'll explode >__>....
Dakini, fact that Zimmy and Gamma know each other for only a year doesn't matter....polish isn't that much difficult ^^;....
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Post by mrw on Jan 22, 2007 20:35:17 GMT
This page is really well done...
Gamma looks so much like a big sister to Zimmy here, reassuring her (I'm guessing). She (Gamma) appears to be confident that everything will be okay.
Annie doesn't seem quite so sure...
I like how Zimmy goes from scared to aggressive, like an creature that realizes there's nowhere left to run. Nothing's going to take her down without a fight!
Go Zimmy!!!
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Post by xux on Jan 22, 2007 21:01:35 GMT
About Zimmy knowing Polish...She doesn't understand what Annie says to Gamma when we first encounter them. When they're talking to each other with their thoughts, maybe their thoughts transcend language and are just represented as English because that's the language the comic is made in.
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Post by thechron on Jan 22, 2007 21:14:20 GMT
The cut on Antimony's cheek begins to reappear (and subsequently disappear) as Zimmy is describing to Antimony that she sees things that are not there that are not supposed to be, and sometimes they become real. In this context it appears that Zimmy is the reason for Antimony's cut.
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Post by neal on Jan 22, 2007 21:52:59 GMT
I think that xux is right about Zimmy knowing Polish. I assumed that she doesn't, and they are communicating telepathically, which doesn't require language.
The fact that Zimmy is far from Annie and Gamma is so close at the point the cut reappears is odd. If Gamma is sort of a 'dampener' to the static field Zimmy creates, shouldn't the effects of Zimmy be nonexistant when you are near Gamma but not Zimmy? And also, why the cut in the first place. Other strange things have happened to Annie, but Zimmy doesn't cause Evil Shadow or Muut or someone to appear, just the ghost cut.
I think I can officially just say: I'm so confuuuuuuuused!
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 22, 2007 22:03:50 GMT
And here I was thinking that this topic was going to be ignored...
Bard- good point, If we look back it's not like Tom just randomly names a chapter, it always has a point. [spec]My thinking is that Gamma will somehow fidn away to sleep without subjecting Zimmy to these waking nightmares.[/spec]
Hmm, as mentioned in the 'Discussion about this board' thread, I do think that it would be a good idea to tag any 'speculation' about what's going on as such, rather than just analysis or discussion. Speculation is a Good Thing (TM), but sometiems we can get a piece of it so stuck in our heads without eany supporting evidence that it can go sour. On the other hand, TOm might use it.
\/ Aspen's idea for 'speculation' tags.
[spec] For instance, I -suspect- that the Tic-Toc is used by the teachers to keep an eye on people; being robotic, and that Zimmy knows this, thus her hostility towards it. [/spec]
Edit: I've also dropped an example of this into my first post in the topic.
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Post by thechron on Jan 22, 2007 23:00:00 GMT
Neal, if I am correct, at the time that the cut reappeared on Antimony's face Gamma was asleep, and it has been stated by Zimmy that her dampening affect on Zimmy's "powers"(?) does not work well while she is asleep.
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 22, 2007 23:03:26 GMT
Neal, if I am correct, at the time that the cut reappeared on Antimony's face Gamma was asleep, and it has been stated by Zimmy that her dampening affect on Zimmy's "powers"(?) does not work well while she is asleep. Maybe it's not perfect. The cut is definetly there, but Gamma is awake and is standing right next to Annie, while Zimmy is turned away. (Panel 6) I think that current story order for these last few minutes is this: 194, 195, 184, 185. Zimmy is apparently telling Carver & Gamma to 'Come on', not the Tic-Toc. Edit: Changed the wording & punctuation for better comprehension. Added Comic Story Order |
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Post by ethyl on Jan 23, 2007 0:01:03 GMT
[spec] Since storms are classicly known to mess up electricity and a few pages earlier we clearly saw Zimmy's head static, maybe the storm will breifly stop the images allowing Gamma to get a full nights sleep? I hardly think Zimmy's never encountered a storm before so I doubt it does anything permanent. [/spec]
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 23, 2007 0:09:52 GMT
[spec]I wasn't getting the impression that it was a weather/thunderstorm kind of thing, but more of a psycic thing. I also get the feelign that when this storm is over, Gamma will be able to sleep without subjecting ZImmy to waking nightmares. Maybe Zimmy will even get normal eyes. (Doubtful, but.)[/spec]
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Post by The Contemptible Cat on Jan 23, 2007 10:29:43 GMT
Someone should just grab a stanly knife, print out the pages, and put them in the right order  |
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Post by iMacThere4iAm on Jan 23, 2007 10:32:45 GMT
Someone should just grab a stanly knife, print out the pages, and put them in the right order I'm definately going to do that, once the chapter is finished at least. |
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 23, 2007 14:47:38 GMT
There's probably a reason that Tom puts them in the order he has... The was the time number were screwed up in [193] makes me think that it's because Zimmy is really in the Library with Annie, Kat, & Gamma, but she's seeing what was going on back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2007 23:31:38 GMT
Forgive me if I've missed something already posted here, but why are you speculating that Zimmy is telling Antimony and Gamma to "Come on?" I don't see it myself, but then again, I don't understand most of what's going on without reading the comments first... so it's probably one I missed.
Explain?
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Post by mrw on Jan 24, 2007 0:03:19 GMT
Asorae, I don't see it either. I'm speculating she's talking to the storm, or whatever comes with the storm.
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 24, 2007 0:03:44 GMT
Just makes the most sense, is all. >.> In the most recent comic, she's facing away from the Tic-Toc, it makes more sense that she's talking to Annie & Gamma. On the other hand, it's hard to tell exactly what direction she's facing.
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Post by neal on Jan 24, 2007 0:22:37 GMT
It makes no sense that she would be talking to the Tic Toc, since, well, the Tic Toc is behind her, and rather a background piece about the school. I assumed she was talking to the storm, with a look of determination, not anger, on her face.
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Post by xux on Jan 24, 2007 0:29:16 GMT
I agree that she seems to be talking to the storm out of anticipation or just wanting to get it over with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2007 1:16:12 GMT
Yeah, that's the vibe I got as well. Glad to have cleared that up.  |
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 24, 2007 1:59:51 GMT
Hmm, I'm sticking with her talking to the other two, because Gamma says that they need to go outside to face the storm, and it seems like Zimmy wants them to hurry up about it... I definetly get the sense that Zimmy is impatient. (On your side, I do see that she's mentioned wanting for the storm to break, eh) Guess we'll see.
neal- I was saying that she definetly was -not- talking to the Tic-Toc, because that was suggested in the comments for the first comic of this chapter.
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Post by missushow on Jan 24, 2007 4:20:37 GMT
Well the most current page is right before the beginning of the chapter, so I'm guessing that they didn't fight with Zimmy... Antimony's scratch is bleeding a little now...I wonder if it's there permanently. I mean, now that Gamma is awake shoudln't it have disapeared? Or something?
Especially since Anitmony has that same...dampening power, so to speak, over Zimmy.
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 24, 2007 4:39:48 GMT
Good point on Antimony having a damping effect like Gamma, hadn't actually noticed that until you pointed it out. [spec]Maybe it's kind of like a line... Zimmy is on one side, groudned in the supernatural, Gamma is on the other, grounded very firmly here in our world, and Annie straddles the line? Just a metaphor to describe how I'm thinking, but it makes a kind of sense.
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 4, 2013 16:18:50 GMT
I wonder what'll happen if I bump the oldest thread in the forum?
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 4, 2013 16:49:05 GMT
I wonder what'll happen if I bump the oldest thread in the forum? ...what WOULD happen? Would it go to recent? |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 4, 2013 17:08:24 GMT
I wonder what'll happen if I bump the oldest thread in the forum? ...what WOULD happen? Would it go to recent? Who knows? Better bump it again, we might find out eventually. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 4, 2013 17:27:26 GMT
...what WOULD happen? Would it go to recent? Who knows? Better bump it again, we might find out eventually. Likely a recursive chain of bumping, doing no favors. |
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