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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 2, 2015 8:01:10 GMT
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Post by Chancellor on Feb 2, 2015 8:02:32 GMT
"Totem"
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Post by OrzBrain on Feb 2, 2015 8:04:26 GMT
Those rather resemble Ysengrin's tree hands...
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Post by hnau on Feb 2, 2015 8:09:52 GMT
Those rather resemble Ysengrin's tree hands... Or Anthony's bone lasers... |
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Post by Chancellor on Feb 2, 2015 8:10:54 GMT
Those rather resemble Ysengrin's tree hands... We've seen Coyote's hands look like that before, for instance when he steals Ys' memory of attacking Annie. It's stated that Coyote gave him the power to control trees to form the artificial body, so it would be logical for an aspect derived from Coyote to resemble Coyote. |
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Post by feraldog on Feb 2, 2015 8:11:45 GMT
Could this be why Renard's body-snatching is fatal? He can't catch the life when he leaves or something?
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Post by Elysium on Feb 2, 2015 8:16:53 GMT
That's a pretty good title drop actually.
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2015 8:34:59 GMT
Okay, Coyote cannot grant souls, nor create them, but he can manipulate them. Interesting.How does this reflect on the Glass-Eyed Men? Shadow's obviously a person in all non-biological senses of the word, and his people were created from Coyote. But since Coyote could not create for them an aiúa* (good term to remember, if not to spell) and since they obviously have them, he must have borrowed it from elsewhere. He could have harvested it from the humans left in the Forest. Or, since they were 'created from the body of Coyote', he might have given them part of his own? Both of which would create interesting questions. Furthermore, one's soul and memory are bound together in the GKCverse (and, I would argue, in our universe as well). So is Coyote literally stealing part of Ysengrin's soul when he wipes out certain memories? And this process seems to need the intervention of a Guide or someone of similar stature in order to take the aiúa to the body in the Court. Who did it before Annie showed up? Neither the Guides (who are concerned with the treatment of souls) nor the Court (who are just concerned in general) would ever have let someone as careless as Ysengrin do it. And souls aren't something you generally just send through snail-mail (or Homing Tic-Tocs, I suppose). I would have assumed the Court would've sent their own Medium to oversee it, but they did not have a Medium when Red and Blue joined the student body. Also, trippy Coyote is trippy. Secondary also: notice how the rabbit formerly known as Jack loses all color in the ether as she semi-dies, and her color is absorbed into her Totem. Small touch, big effect. I suspect that it's something along these lines: The body is recreated on the Court side (due to their mastery of physical sciences like biology), and then once the body has been...separated from the spirit on the Forest side, the Jackalope's aiúa is taken by our resident Guide to be reunited with the new body on the other side. But who knows. I know it's bad form to say I called something only two days in advance, but I am happy that I anticipated the GKC interpretation of a soul. Just sayin'. * "A science fiction interpretation of the sentient soul, containing the will and memory of any living sentient creature...the term was inspired by the Sanskrit word for 'life,' probably 'āyus', and adapted by Orson Scott Card." |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Feb 2, 2015 8:50:50 GMT
"Even I, as wonderful as I am, cannot create this from nothing!"
Some god you are, Coyote.
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Post by chrisjenl on Feb 2, 2015 8:51:53 GMT
Okay, Coyote cannot grant souls, nor create them, but he can manipulate them. Interesting.How does this reflect on the Glass-Eyed Men? Shadow's obviously a person in all non-biological senses of the word, and his people were created from Coyote. But since Coyote could not create for them an aiúa* (good term to remember, if not to spell) and since they obviously have them, he must have borrowed it from elsewhere. He could have harvested it from the humans left in the Forest. Or, since they were 'created from the body of Coyote', he might have given them part of his own? Both of which would create interesting questions. Furthermore, one's soul and memory are bound together in the GKCverse (and, I would argue, in our universe as well). So is Coyote literally stealing part of Ysengrin's soul when he wipes out certain memories? And this process seems to need the intervention of a Guide or someone of similar stature in order to take the aiúa to the body in the Court. Who did it before Annie showed up? Neither the Guides (who are concerned with the treatment of souls) nor the Court (who are just concerned in general) would ever have let someone as careless as Ysengrin do it. I would have assumed the Court would've sent their own Medium to oversee it, but they did not have a Medium when Red and Blue joined the student body. Also, trippy Coyote is trippy. I suspect that it's something along these lines: The body is recreated on the Court side (due to their mastery of physical sciences like biology), and then once the body has been...separated from the spirit on the Forest side, the Jackalope's aiúa is taken by our resident Guide to be reunited with the new body on the other side. But who knows. I know it's bad form to say I called something only two days in advance, but I am happy that I anticipated the GKC interpretation of a soul. Just sayin'. * "A science fiction interpretation of the sentient soul, containing the will and memory of any living sentient creature...the term was inspired by the Sanskrit word for 'life,' probably 'āyus', and adapted by Orson Scott Card." Interesting but think that the courd is not really consurns that how the ex-bos-creature get out of there body and into the courd. Its look to me that the courd look like them as not so inportend and get the worst teacher and stay away of the anders students. But maybe i am to hard for the courd. |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2015 8:59:26 GMT
Okay, Coyote cannot grant souls, nor create them, but he can manipulate them. Interesting.How does this reflect on the Glass-Eyed Men? Shadow's obviously a person in all non-biological senses of the word, and his people were created from Coyote. But since Coyote could not create for them an aiúa* (good term to remember, if not to spell) and since they obviously have them, he must have borrowed it from elsewhere. He could have harvested it from the humans left in the Forest. Or, since they were 'created from the body of Coyote', he might have given them part of his own? Both of which would create interesting questions. Furthermore, one's soul and memory are bound together in the GKCverse (and, I would argue, in our universe as well). So is Coyote literally stealing part of Ysengrin's soul when he wipes out certain memories? And this process seems to need the intervention of a Guide or someone of similar stature in order to take the aiúa to the body in the Court. Who did it before Annie showed up? Neither the Guides (who are concerned with the treatment of souls) nor the Court (who are just concerned in general) would ever have let someone as careless as Ysengrin do it. I would have assumed the Court would've sent their own Medium to oversee it, but they did not have a Medium when Red and Blue joined the student body. Also, trippy Coyote is trippy. I know it's bad form to say I called something only two days in advance, but I am happy that I anticipated the GKC interpretation of a soul. Just sayin'. * "A science fiction interpretation of the sentient soul, containing the will and memory of any living sentient creature...the term was inspired by the Sanskrit word for 'life,' probably 'āyus', and adapted by Orson Scott Card." Interesting, but I think that the Court is not really concerned about how the Ex-forest creature gets out of their body and into the Court. It looks to me that the Court looks on them as not so important, and gives them the worst teacher and has them stay away of the other students. But maybe I am being too hard on the Court. If nothing else, they know Coyote plays tricks to their detriment, and he's centrally involved here. They wouldn't want him placing spies or anything by manipulating/substituting these memories, so even entirely from self-interest, they'd want a mediator there. I hope I understood/edited your question right - I did not quite understand you, sorry. |
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Post by Ophel on Feb 2, 2015 9:11:51 GMT
"Totem" Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm very happy that the answer to a question of mine is answered pretty quickly. Edit: Also, that is very impressive, CoyoteReborn! |
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Post by sidhekin on Feb 2, 2015 9:21:21 GMT
I would have assumed the Court would've sent their own Medium to oversee it, but they did not have a Medium when Red and Blue joined the student body. Sure they did. Ysengrin was their measly medium: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1157Now: Does that make Ysengrin a guide? Sort of? |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2015 9:25:55 GMT
I would have assumed the Court would've sent their own Medium to oversee it, but they did not have a Medium when Red and Blue joined the student body. Sure they did. Ysengrin was their measly medium: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1157Now: Does that make Ysengrin a guide? Sort of? Ysengrin was the Forest's medium, and the Court did not have one ever since Surma died. And I would no more trust Ysengrin with a delicate soul than I would trust Sarah Palin with the Nuclear Football. |
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Post by feraldog on Feb 2, 2015 9:40:13 GMT
Gotta say it right, don't cha know!
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Post by sidhekin on Feb 2, 2015 10:22:10 GMT
Sure they did. Ysengrin was their measly medium: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1157Now: Does that make Ysengrin a guide? Sort of? Ysengrin was the Forest's medium, and the Court did not have one ever since Surma died. And I would no more trust Ysengrin with a delicate soul than I would trust Sarah Palin with the Nuclear Football. Oups, I missed the "Court" reference. Reading too quickly ... sorry! But why would it need to be the Court's medium? Either medium could cross the bridge ... And who says souls are delicate? Delicious, sure, Coyote seems to say so, but Ysengrin seems to go for meatier snacks. |
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on Feb 2, 2015 10:56:27 GMT
Turns out Coyote is a creepy alien who beams out souls from your forehead and turns it into a carved wooden totem. Poor Jackalope. Annie hasn't done it yet though. Practice up, Annie!
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Post by kralex on Feb 2, 2015 10:58:36 GMT
Now I want a rabbit totem.
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Post by arf on Feb 2, 2015 11:40:25 GMT
In the etheric, Coyote has drawn Jack's soul out into a totem.
In the Court, that's a USB stick.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 2, 2015 13:35:47 GMT
Those rather resemble Ysengrin's tree hands... We've seen Coyote's hands look like that before, for instance when he steals Ys' memory of attacking Annie. It's stated that Coyote gave him the power to control trees to form the artificial body, so it would be logical for an aspect derived from Coyote to resemble Coyote. We've also seen fingers like that in the 5th Treatise. Since those fingers were fiddling with Annie's hair, I assumed they represented Coyote. |
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Post by calpal on Feb 2, 2015 13:39:14 GMT
In the etheric, Coyote has drawn Jack's soul out into a totem. In the Court, that's a USB stick. Not a USB stick...  |
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Post by penta on Feb 2, 2015 14:20:40 GMT
*delurks*
You know, Jack's soul kind of reminds me of the shapes bismuth can take as it grows. The hard edges, the square lines... even the color, to be frank.
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 2, 2015 14:29:04 GMT
My, what big multicolor eyes you have. Just like meemaw.
It should be very interesting to see the juxtaposition of the Court's technique to implant the soul. Or maybe, the lack of differences.
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Post by Deepbluediver on Feb 2, 2015 15:03:16 GMT
Everyone is talking about hands and eyes and stuff, but Coyote's face in the bottom left-hand corner is making me think of a piranha.
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Post by Spades Slick on Feb 2, 2015 15:11:51 GMT
"You let them escape"
Not always, though? Ghosts are a thing.
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Post by warrl on Feb 2, 2015 15:35:28 GMT
Coyote is incidentally teaching Annie how she can have a child yet survive.
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Post by Per on Feb 2, 2015 16:29:41 GMT
"You ever watched a man die? If you watch very closely, you can sometimes see the soul escaping. And if you're very quick, you can catch it."
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Post by mglvna on Feb 2, 2015 18:10:33 GMT
Sure they did. Ysengrin was their measly medium: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1157Now: Does that make Ysengrin a guide? Sort of? Ysengrin was the Forest's medium, and the Court did not have one ever since Surma died. And I would no more trust Ysengrin with a delicate soul than I would trust Sarah Palin with the Nuclear Football. The Court wouldn't need a medium to guide the soul, since only Forest-to-Court transitions require death. Alistair just straight up turned into a bird, his soul didn't require a guide. |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2015 18:22:36 GMT
Ysengrin was the Forest's medium, and the Court did not have one ever since Surma died. And I would no more trust Ysengrin with a delicate soul than I would trust Sarah Palin with the Nuclear Football. The Court wouldn't need a medium to guide the soul, since only Forest-to-Court transitions require death. Alistair just straight up turned into a bird, his soul didn't require a guide. Yes, but Red and Blue are transferring from the Forest to the Court, last time I checked. That transfer was what we had been discussing. Let me recap: how were Forest-to-Court transfers handled while the Court was without a Medium? I doubt Yssy would have trucked over to the Court carrying a soul every time that a student wanted to transfer, and in fact we know he did not go to the Court when Red and Blue were transferring - he killed them, yes, but we know he didn't take the Totem/soul with him to the Court (because Ysengrin had not been seen by the Court for a long time). Without the Forest medium helping with the process, I would have assumed the Court's medium would step up and take possession of the soul, but there was no Court medium at the time. So, how were the transfer of Red/Blue handled? Did the souls just float over naturally to the Court from the Annan Waters? And I'm still wondering: |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Feb 2, 2015 19:35:34 GMT
Coyote is incidentally teaching Annie how she can have a child yet survive. Turns out Coyote is a creepy alien who beams out souls from your forehead and turns it into a carved wooden totem. Poor Jackalope. Annie hasn't done it yet though. Practice up, Annie! Yes, on both counts. Notice that Annie's hand is (subconsciously?) mimicking Coyote's hand..... Edit: Not that it's probably significant at all, but I found it interesting that that both Coyote and Annie are using their left hands in this gesture. It's probably just for posing and framing purposes, but I still found it curious. |
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