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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 3, 2014 7:00:21 GMT
No gops?hah, beat you to it, Daedalus! ...for once, so let me savor this moment.  Edit: I changed my vote in the poll from "needs more information" to "it's not the real Gamma" just before this page was published. It was like at last second grabbing my hat and rolling to the wrong side of the closing door. 
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2014 7:01:04 GMT
Yep, you beat me.
Moving my comment here...
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Post by fwip on Oct 3, 2014 7:01:17 GMT
No GOPs! Woo! I don't think they're all nobodies talking to each other, either, because I think that Zimmy's relationship with Gamma would prevent a nobody of Gamma from appearing and if this is the real gamma she would have recognized them if they were nobodies.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 3, 2014 7:03:27 GMT
Yep, you beat me. Moving my comment here...  and then you spoiled my joy by beating me to notice it. You absolute thread ninja! Ot post-ninja? That would have strange (=fun) connotations. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 3, 2014 7:05:08 GMT
YES KAT! GO MAD WITH THE POWER! MWHAHAHA! THE UNIMAGINABLE POWER! CREATE THE UNSPEAKABLE! CRE-uh, I mean, not freaked out anymore, Kat?
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2014 7:06:19 GMT
The lack of GOPs, however, means nothing. Annie touched Nobody-Kat on their first trip, and she didn't disappear. It appears to take an active effort of intent to GOP them, and we don't know if Annie did so here. I'm still on team 'Gamma is not real' until more evidence is presented. Or perhaps we could say that one only can remove Nobodies that came from someone else's mind, and that both Kat and Gamma arose from Annie's psyche? We shall see... Furthermore, it's...odd that the universal translation in Zimmingham is brushed off so quickly and abruptly. If this was another author, I'd say it's sloppy - but I suspect Tom's going somewhere with it. Thirdly, Kat's certainly picking this up quickly, if the last panel is any indication. At least the 'flesh' she's working with did not belong to anyone we knew... I'll have my revenge next time! Muahahahah |
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Post by Lightice on Oct 3, 2014 7:06:45 GMT
For a second I thought that Gamma here was an extension of the Ship at the end of the muscle tether. Then I realised it was two different scenes on the same page. On one hand I'm relieved, on the other that would have been creepily awesome.
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Post by fwip on Oct 3, 2014 7:15:08 GMT
What do you mean by this, Gamma's mind-speaking? |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 3, 2014 7:15:50 GMT
Furthermore, it's...odd that the universal translation in Zimmingham is brushed off so quickly and abruptly. If this was another author, I'd say it's sloppy - but I suspect Tom's going somewhere with it. I think that in a weird way, Z-town feels like home to Jack. A warm blanket made of spiders that he knows he should find horrifying but instead finds comforting. Anyway, I'm going with spider side-effects until Tom gives us more. |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2014 7:16:26 GMT
What do you mean by this, Gamma's mind-speaking? That Jack can understand Gamma's telepathy. It's just pretty sudden and unexplained, so far. I do wonder, however, whether the act of transferring Ship and occupants required Zimmy to be incorporated into Zimmingham itself. ...Huh. That could be interesting. Is there any reason in particular this would be true - except that we've seen every plot-important character's location in Zimmingham but hers? Furthermore, it's...odd that the universal translation in Zimmingham is brushed off so quickly and abruptly. If this was another author, I'd say it's sloppy - but I suspect Tom's going somewhere with it. I think that in a weird way, Z-town feels like home to Jack. A warm blanket made of spiders that he knows he should find horrifying but instead finds comforting. Anyway, I'm going with spider side-effects until Tom gives us more. Definitely plausible. I hope that the Spiders don't decide to throw a housewarming party, though. |
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Post by arf on Oct 3, 2014 7:19:19 GMT
Someone's getting the hang of meat puppets quickly.
Monday, we see that it's Paz who's working the musculature...
...OK, maybe not. I do wonder, however, whether the act of transferring Ship and occupants required Zimmy to be incorporated into Zimmingham itself.
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Post by SilverbackRon on Oct 3, 2014 7:25:32 GMT
I think that in a weird way, Z-town feels like home to Jack. A warm blanket made of spiders that he knows he should find horrifying but instead finds comforting. Anyway, I'm going with spider side-effects until Tom gives us more. Definitely plausible. I hope that the Spiders don't decide to throw a housewarming party, though. The Whitelegs say Welcome Back! and partyhats for everyone... hilarity ensues... or not. But seriously, I do find it odd that Jack is the one who can hear Gamma. And no visible telepathy lines linking them. |
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Post by philman on Oct 3, 2014 7:32:15 GMT
I do wonder, however, whether the act of transferring Ship and occupants required Zimmy to be incorporated into Zimmingham itself. ...Huh. That could be interesting. Is there any reason in particular this would be true - except that we've seen every plot-important character's location in Zimmingham but hers? Hmm, I assumed we haven't seen her yet because she is being held or tortured somehow by the seraphs in order to create a zimmingham of this magnitude. Kat will go wild with the power she has access to now and it will be a potential splitting moment when she realises what is happening and that she has to choose between the power she has or releasing Zimmy. At least we now know why Zimmy is so scared of her, given Zimmy's powers, Kat can do anything now she is a god. Actually, thinking about it, is this the moment Kat becomes that robot god that Zimmy saw her as? In here she can make a flesh body for the ship, but she can also make a robot god body for herself... |
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Post by fwip on Oct 3, 2014 7:40:30 GMT
Changeling pointed out on the IRC channel that the link is to 1412 instead of 1414.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Oct 3, 2014 7:49:50 GMT
See, Kat? Just like playdoh!
Theres nothing quite as fun as shaping an eldritch abomination.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 3, 2014 7:56:44 GMT
Changeling pointed out on the IRC channel that the link is to 1412 instead of 1414. Thanks, not the first time I've turned the clock backwards. It seems like I sometimes change the number in the page link to the wrong direction when I copy it from the last page. It completely beats me why I do that, and I never realize I have done it before it is noted by someone else. Have to start to double check the link. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 3, 2014 7:59:15 GMT
The lack of GOPs, however, means nothing. Annie touched Nobody-Kat on their first trip, and she didn't disappear. It appears to take an active effort of intent to GOP them, and we don't know if Annie did so here. I'm still on team 'Gamma is not real' until more evidence is presented. Or perhaps we could say that one only can remove Nobodies that came from someone else's mind, and that both Kat and Gamma arose from Annie's psyche? We shall see... Furthermore, it's...odd that the universal translation in Zimmingham is brushed off so quickly and abruptly. If this was another author, I'd say it's sloppy - but I suspect Tom's going somewhere with it. Excellent point! Both Gamma and Jack can still be in Annie's zimagination. However, that would probably mean she hasn't sent her blinker to Rey, and while it would suit the story of Kat becoming a robogodess, I nevertheless doubt it more than a bit. |
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Post by Angry Individual on Oct 3, 2014 9:32:35 GMT
Chapter 49: Kat becomes mad with the powers of a god. Paz becomes slightly concerned.
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Post by alexsl on Oct 3, 2014 10:38:15 GMT
Have been reading this comic for a long time, but this storyline is what finally made me sign up here. It is really beautifully drawn, and unexpected.
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Re the discussion about GOPs, a major point that seems to be neglected here is that the seraphs must have set it up specifically to make sure that the ship and Kat would be carried over into Zimmingham, otherwise their plan wouldn't work. That might mean that they had to set it up so that everybody who was on the ship was carried over; and that might mean that everybody is real.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 3, 2014 10:51:59 GMT
Have been reading this comic for a long time, but this storyline is what finally made me sign up here. It is really beautifully drawn, and unexpected. Not that I am in particular position of receiving the new forumers, but as a fellow forumer I just want to say this: Welcome! I was hoping that Kat would not be as amazed as it now seems... Are you sure it's Kat? Not saying it wasn't, but it can also be the ship, or Paz. Re the discussion about GOPs, a major point that seems to be neglected here is that the seraphs must have set it up specifically to make sure that the ship and Kat would be carried over into Zimmingham, otherwise their plan wouldn't work. That might mean that they had to set it up so that everybody who was on the ship was carried over; and that might mean that everybody is real. Although it is a fairly well backed up assumption that every real body on the ship would have been brought to the Zimmingham, possibly for the reason you say, it does not follow that everybody in Zimmingham is real. It may be true, but it does not logically follow. You see, whether or not everybody was brought to Zimmingham, does not affect what else is there, for example, the nobodies. Everybody can be there, and Annie can still be seeing nobodies, while the others really are in other parts of the Z-ville. |
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Post by todd on Oct 3, 2014 10:53:17 GMT
However, that would probably mean she hasn't sent her blinker to Rey Annie sent the blinker stone away before the ship was pulled into Zimmy's world; that's not going to change no matter who here is a Nobody. As I've mentioned in the previous thread, I certainly don't think it'll turn into a case of "They're all Nobodies, including Annie" (what would be the point of that? why would Tom show what the Nobodies pretending to be Annie and the rest were doing, instead of what the real Annie and the rest were doing?), and while this Gamma might turn out to be a Nobody, if she does, Tom will be handling it carefully to avoid turning it into a simple rerun of the "Power Station" twist. (Back in "Power Station", before Gamma dispelled the "Nobody-Kat", we didn't know that Nobodies could impersonate people or that Kat wasn't actually transsported to Zimmy's world, so the shock worked. This time, since we know about the "advanced Nobodies", it wouldn't have the same effect - so if Tom's going to be reusing that idea, he's going to need to add something extra to it to guard against a response of "Seen it before".) |
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Post by fish on Oct 3, 2014 10:56:28 GMT
Welcome to the forums, alexsl! Now, being fascinated with eldritch playdoh is one thing. Actually helping the ship would be another. I hope Kat won't give in to his demands simply because she's curious about what she could or couldn't do with the playdoh. |
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Post by Ophel on Oct 3, 2014 11:26:24 GMT
So at least Gamma remembers Jack, and she does that thought transmission, too. If she were a Nobody, I assume she wouldn't recognise Jack. Unless nobodies react to the people they meet, continuously forming an image familiar by others by syphoning off some stuff from their psyche, especially strong in Zimminghell (I once saw someone said Birminghell. Best of both worlds!), then, well. Dang. This could complicate a lot of stuff since Annie has gotten to know at least a few people quite a bit. To which I will reserve my opinion about Gamma and the others. At least we know Kat isn't a nobody. Edit: And also, after that experience with the not-Kat, you'd think Annie would be a little bit more careful now. |
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Post by goldenknots on Oct 3, 2014 12:33:26 GMT
Well, one thing has occurred to me, what with Kat creating a living body for the ship. It will have to have eyes, right? Makes for a really easy way to deal with it, once Renard shows up.
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Post by Chancellor on Oct 3, 2014 12:34:35 GMT
Holy crap, Kat's making a Gen'dai.
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Post by asyetunnamed on Oct 3, 2014 13:20:36 GMT
I will be disappointed if Kat creates life without shouting, "Live! LIVE!!!" and without huge amounts of lightning in the background. Mad scientist cackles and eyes would be optional.
I think that I have been too cynical this month (and it is only the third), so I am going to believe that this really is Gamma (despite the lack of translation and her speech being worrying) and that everything is going to go fine now.
Edit - If Kat is going to make a body for the ship, then it's going to have some big repercussions. Something something power, something something responsibility. You don't get to walk away from something like that with the majority of people being happy with you. I do worry that Kat is getting a little caught up with what she can do rather than what she should do.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 3, 2014 13:24:27 GMT
Well, one thing has occurred to me, what with Kat creating a living body for the ship. It will have to have eyes, right? Makes for a really easy way to deal with it, once Renard shows up. Someone else made that point a few comics ago, when we were wondering who Annie would contact. I thought it was a brilliant idea. Now that I think about it, in "Dobranoc, Gamma", Zimmy and Gamma see a Renard-like biorobot thing. It could just be a coincidence, but it could also be prophetic. But I'm betting the Robot King will save the day. I have no idea how, though... |
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Post by AluK on Oct 3, 2014 14:54:46 GMT
I think the whole robot rescue thing will have one function only: so Kat will have a whole legion of robotic witnesses to her act of biomechanical genesis, what will probably catapult her etherical powers into godhood.
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Post by hifranc on Oct 3, 2014 15:21:20 GMT
I will be disappointed if Kat creates life without shouting, "Live! LIVE!!!" and without huge amounts of lightning in the background. Mad scientist cackles and eyes would be optional. You mean like this? {edit} With Kat, I keep thinking about Ghostbusters, specifically: |
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Post by smurfton on Oct 3, 2014 15:31:45 GMT
I think the whole robot rescue thing will have one function only: so Kat will have a whole legion of robotic witnesses to her act of biomechanical genesis, what will probably catapult her etherical powers into godhood. when they die. It didn't matter until they do, at least as far as we know. |
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and then you spoiled my joy by beating me to notice it. You absolute thread ninja! Ot post-ninja? That would have strange (=fun) connotations.
