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Post by The Anarch on Jul 9, 2014 7:02:04 GMT
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Post by Rasselas on Jul 9, 2014 7:03:44 GMT
This page is heartbreaking somehow. Not because the rabbit lady is going to die, but because of her ambition.
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Post by Gotolei on Jul 9, 2014 7:04:30 GMT
I wonder how the communication happens? When Paz does her thing there's these faded lines going between them, but none with these two.
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Post by arf on Jul 9, 2014 7:08:13 GMT
Green Fairy says Jackie's really smart because she named her and is the only other person who knows it.
That's typical fairy logic, that
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2014 7:10:47 GMT
I actually, personally, don't see the desire to be 'more than she is' as negative (in moderation, of course). It's nice, to me, that a creature wants to live by the power of its/his mind rather than the law of nature, so to speak. And, furthermore, it nicely contrasts with the usual Forest position of 'brawn over brains'. I wonder if Ys would have approved a transfer for that reason, or if the rabbit's only getting its/his confidence up due to the change in medium...
And prepare for gender-related discussion threads of epic length!
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Post by fwip on Jul 9, 2014 7:21:22 GMT
And prepare for gender-related discussion threads of epic length! eh, I doubt it. I think Tom diffused that. I wonder why Green's name is a secret? I suppose if a name can be given by any non-fairy creature, than a fairy's 'childhood' can be arbitrarily long or short. Also, Green does seem to be far more mature than Red or Blue. I wonder if names have a biological/magical basis or are purely a social construct. I wonder a lot of other things that it's too late to articulate properly now. Goodnight! |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2014 7:21:57 GMT
(Also, figured out what was nagging at me about this page: anyone else get flashes of David Brin's Uplift trilogy?)
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Post by noone3 on Jul 9, 2014 7:30:45 GMT
I wonder why Green's name is a secret? Might be a "true name magic" thing. The whole idea that knowing someone's REAL (secret, magic) name grants you power over the bearer. Dunno how it works in Gunnerverse though... |
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Post by kralex on Jul 9, 2014 7:32:43 GMT
And prepare for gender-related discussion threads of epic length! Was thinking that, too. Another sexual identity sub-plot? |
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Post by crater on Jul 9, 2014 7:37:10 GMT
#checkYourMalePrivilege
#checkYourFairyPrivilege
#checkYourHumanPrivilege
#NotAllRabbits
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2014 7:43:02 GMT
And prepare for gender-related discussion threads of epic length! Was thinking that, too. Another sexual identity sub-plot? This one's different, if it goes in that direction. But I suspect it will be subverted, to some degree. I'm on the 'gender is not super-important to animals' bandwagon. |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 9, 2014 7:46:17 GMT
Was thinking that, too. Another sexual identity sub-plot? This one's different, if it goes in that direction. But I suspect it will be subverted, to some degree. I'm on the 'gender is not super-important to animals' bandwagon. Even if it is important to animals in general, it's apparently not as important to this particular animal as becoming human is. |
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Post by philman on Jul 9, 2014 8:35:10 GMT
To be fair, I'd happily switch gender if it was a choice between that or becoming a rabbit. Even a rabbit with horns. They can't use keyboards.
Also what happens to the animals/fairies who become humans once they get older? We've only seen the class of kids, and one teacher. Are any of the other staff at the court former forest creatures?
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Post by hypixion on Jul 9, 2014 8:42:58 GMT
To be fair, I'd happily switch gender if it was a choice between that or becoming a rabbit. Even a rabbit with horns. They can't use keyboards. Also what happens to the animals/fairies who become humans once they get older? We've only seen the class of kids, and one teacher. Are any of the other staff at the court former forest creatures? Might be they start off as children so they have time to learn about being human? |
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Post by arf on Jul 9, 2014 8:48:12 GMT
Interesting that neither Annie nor Smitty are freaking out about 'rabbit frickasee'.
(Scenes from 'Local Hero' come to mind!)
Smitty's asking intelligent questions, as you'd expect.
Both are clearly professionals.
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Post by Ophel on Jul 9, 2014 9:15:09 GMT
My only comment here is that the rabbit is adorable. No smart/insightful comment or anything.
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Post by gary on Jul 9, 2014 9:17:39 GMT
This one's different, if it goes in that direction. But I suspect it will be subverted, to some degree. I'm on the 'gender is not super-important to animals' bandwagon. Well in real life there is no such thing as animal gender because animals aren't self aware enough to construct a gender identity. But gunnerkrigg animals have enough self awareness that it seems they understand the concept. Though I think if you're switching from a rabbit body to a human body, the difference in sex is probably relatively minor compared to all the other stuff. Sexual dimorphism is a huge thing, like. I think in some rabbits the females are actually bigger than the males, which is rare with mammals, which is presumably why her reaction to going into a male body is to say that's fine because a human's brain is more important than it's brawn. Most Humans wouldn't see a male body as a step down in muscle but I guess a rabbit does. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 9, 2014 9:36:51 GMT
From what Green is saying our rabbit friend has clearly thought this through a fair bit, knows the pros and con and has decided that becoming human is worth the cost for the opportunity to be valued on her intelligence rather than her physical attributes. (If only she knew how shallow humans can be about some physical attributes!)
Smitty is asking intelligent questions. However, Annie is addressing her comments directly to the rabbit, thereby including her in the conversation despite the need for an intermediary. I'm impressed, that shows a level of empathy and thoughtfulness that will serve her well in her new role.
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Post by hypixion on Jul 9, 2014 10:01:40 GMT
This one's different, if it goes in that direction. But I suspect it will be subverted, to some degree. I'm on the 'gender is not super-important to animals' bandwagon. Well in real life there is so such thing as animal gender because animals aren't self aware enough to construct a gender identity. But gunnerkrigg animals have enough self awareness that it seems they understand the concept. Though I think if you're switching from a rabbit body to a human body, the difference in sex is probably relatively minor compared to all the other stuff. Sexual dimorphism is a huge thing, like. I think in some rabbits the females are actually bigger than the males, which is rare with mammals, which is presumably why her reaction to going into a male body is to say that's fine because a human's brain is more important than it's brawn. Most Humans wouldn't see a male body as a step down in muscle but I guess a rabbit does. I'm no epert but isn't this rong, we see enough differences in the animal between genders. But I guess this more instinct? Can't forget that this rabbit seems to be more intelligent than a normal animal. |
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Post by gary on Jul 9, 2014 10:20:51 GMT
I'm no epert but isn't this rong, we see enough differences in the animal between genders. But I guess this more instinct? Can't forget that this rabbit seems to be more intelligent than a normal animal. Yeah, gunnerkrigg animals aren't real life animals. Because gunnerkrigg animals can express their desires in terms of human understandable language. Real life animals, with the exception of the higher primates, can't. And when I said animals don't have a sense of gender, I suppose I'm underestimating them. They do have different social roles for different sexes, so I suppose you could argue there are culturally learned gender roles based on sex for animals as well as humans. I was writing that off as behaviour programmed by hormones rather than learned, but humans aren't the only social animals who learn things from their peers. Of course 'animals' covers a hell of a lot of completely different creatures with completely different behaviours. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 9, 2014 10:57:23 GMT
And prepare for gender-related discussion threads of epic length! Well, we did kind of already go as far with that as we could with the info that was available. I just hope that at some point we get to hear the reason behind this odd policy. It's curious how Annie and Smitty are so blase, being completely matter of fact, even though we never saw them learning about it, or the reasons behind it. I really want to learn how it came to being. I wonder why Green's name is a secret? I suppose if a name can be given by any non-fairy creature, than a fairy's 'childhood' can be arbitrarily long or short. Also, Green does seem to be far more mature than Red or Blue. I wonder if names have a biological/magical basis or are purely a social construct. Maybe it's because her best friend is an animal instead of another fairy? It could be positive influence from the rabbit's part. Yeah, gunnerkrigg animals aren't real life animals. Because gunnerkrigg animals can express their desires in terms of human understandable language. Real life animals, with the exception of the higher primates, can't. Well, there's also the birds from the Corvidae family and some cetaceans that are almost if not exactly as intellectually versatile as the great apes. |
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Post by csj on Jul 9, 2014 12:31:23 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 9, 2014 13:43:11 GMT
And these nice folk can't bring themselves to break her sweet illusion...  This page is heartbreaking somehow. Not because the rabbit lady is going to die, but because of her ambition. Aye. That shiny smooth runway between the aspiration and disenchantment. Mmm...I wonder how the communication happens? When Paz does her thing there's these faded lines going between them, but none with these two. I don't see why they couldn't. Annie just forgot to go out-of-body... Again. |
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Post by Per on Jul 9, 2014 13:45:52 GMT
Just what I always dreaded, Gunnerkrigg Court has turned into a trans-rabbitist gospel.
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 9, 2014 14:22:06 GMT
I don't see why they couldn't. Annie just forgot to go out-of-body... Again. This, so much this! |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 9, 2014 14:39:30 GMT
Just what I always dreaded, Gunnerkrigg Court has turned into a trans-rabbitist gospel. The rabbit singularity is coming. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Jul 9, 2014 14:40:05 GMT
Okay, I feel there is a (really really small) possibility that the rabbit doesn't really want to become human, and it's all just Green making it all up. Like, say, a human child would project feelings into an inanimate object like a doll and treat them as a real person.
I can't be the only one who feels that way... can I?
P.S.: It really bothers me when people use the term "animal" as if humans weren't animals, as if humans were somehow special. I wish people didn't do that.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 9, 2014 15:01:14 GMT
Smitty is asking intelligent questions. However, Annie is addressing her comments directly to the rabbit, thereby including her in the conversation despite the need for an intermediary. I'm impressed, that shows a level of empathy and thoughtfulness that will serve her well in her new role. The last two pages have done a good job of establishing that Smitty and Annie, while still inexperienced, have been trained pretty thoroughly and understand their roles well, and are performing them in the appropriate manner. All without a lot of boring exposition. More evidence that Tom's really gotten good at this writing thing. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 9, 2014 15:04:40 GMT
Do we know for a fact that it's really a policy, and not just the natural outcome of the process? Smitty's wording implies the latter. |
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Post by fish on Jul 9, 2014 15:11:37 GMT
Also what happens to the animals/fairies who become humans once they get older? We've only seen the class of kids, and one teacher. Are any of the other staff at the court former forest creatures? Well, Shadow's teacher also used to be a bear, so I guess it's not uncommon for them to become Foley teachers. I wonder, though, if the Court ever shows interest in these chaotic minds filled with an impressive amount of scientific knowledge. Maybe there are researchers from Foley working on that ether power station? |
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