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Post by Nnelg on Jun 4, 2014 7:01:19 GMT
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Post by freeformline on Jun 4, 2014 7:05:17 GMT
I am enjoying this chapter much more than I should be. In other news, I will soon publish a paper proposing a new theory on the origin of our moon. Tom will have partial authorship, naturally.
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Post by King Mir on Jun 4, 2014 7:09:58 GMT
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Post by Chancellor on Jun 4, 2014 7:10:25 GMT
I am enjoying this chapter much more than I should be. In other news, I will soon publish a paper proposing a new theory on the origin of our moon. Tom will have partial authorship, naturally. Hear Hear. |
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Post by smurfton on Jun 4, 2014 7:16:58 GMT
She could really get to be a deity after all this. Putting stars in the sky never seems to be the fault of a minor persona in mythologies. Perhaps she'll become a god before Kat?
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Post by Nnelg on Jun 4, 2014 7:26:50 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 4, 2014 7:33:00 GMT
When they asked her for references after Ys made introductions, if only she'd said, "Well, I made the two jerks friends again... you know, the red one and the blue one." Instead of goons. Perhaps the animals would have heard of a jerk before and we could have avoided all of this confusion, and the poke-print would've just been put down to "Coyote did it."
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Post by carasanathema on Jun 4, 2014 9:46:58 GMT
I'm beginning to think that this is actually Coyote, Coyote-ing it up.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 4, 2014 10:05:25 GMT
Who are you calling a "he"? And she's got troubles a plenty! Those Court people won't listen to her research, her rabbit keeps running away, and don't even get her started about that stupid mp3 player!
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Post by aranael on Jun 4, 2014 11:17:09 GMT
Chang'e is goddess *of* the moon. she is not the moon herself. Tom seems to agree - she couldn't be studying herself as an outside force otherwise, could she?
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 4, 2014 13:27:16 GMT
Lovey-dovey hearts aside, that Lunar union seems pretty violent. As if, Annie went "Now kiss!", and caused a massive orbit collision. It's no wonder that the rabbit-loving residents complained.
I'm really liking Skepti-pixie. I'm looking forward to her story.
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Post by csj on Jun 4, 2014 15:18:46 GMT
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Post by Intelligence on Jun 4, 2014 19:52:32 GMT
I'm really, really hoping armless gets burned by Annie, or punished by Ysengrin or Coyote for this.
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Post by freeformline on Jun 4, 2014 22:21:11 GMT
But that only works (in the commonly accepted form of the theory) if the Earth was one of the moons. I think we'll need Jones for some fact checking on this one. |
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Post by werekill on Jun 4, 2014 22:43:22 GMT
I feel like this chapter points out two things:
One, Coyote is trying make a "god" of his own. It may to be combat the court's attempt (either something we haven't seen or Kat unintentionally became the Court's god-in-progress), but who knows. It's pretty obvious, though, that he knows that the Court both dislikes him (and the forest) and is trying to make their own god. Why wouldn't he try himself?
Two, if Coyote IS making Annie into a god, he is playing a very long game. The finger touching the moon bit is a huge "proof" to new believers, and that happened waaay back. Since it keeps being brought back up, it is likely to be important in some way.
It's fairly obvious he's up to something big, that's for sure. I'm also fairly sure that the tooth is either to kill Jean for good and/or immobilize Jones. Maybe he wants to spark a war? Heck, this could all lead into a battle of the gods kind of thing with Annie and Kat on opposite sides.
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Post by smurfton on Jun 4, 2014 23:13:18 GMT
I feel like this chapter points out two things: One, Coyote is trying make a "god" of his own. It may to be combat the court's attempt (either something we haven't seen or Kat unintentionally became the Court's god-in-progress), but who knows. It's pretty obvious, though, that he knows that the Court both dislikes him (and the forest) and is trying to make their own god. Why wouldn't he try himself? Two, if Coyote IS making Annie into a god, he is playing a very long game. The finger touching the moon bit is a huge "proof" to new believers, and that happened waaay back. Since it keeps being brought back up, it is likely to be important in some way. It's fairly obvious he's up to something big, that's for sure. I'm also fairly sure that the tooth is either to kill Jean for good and/or immobilize Jones. Maybe he wants to spark a war? Heck, this could all lead into a battle of the gods kind of thing with Annie and Kat on opposite sides. Well, Coyote cannot lie, so it is hard for him to be Canvey. This doesn't mean that he can't tell someone to tell him something just so that he can say, "I heard that Antimony met every creature in the forest," or force the spread of any rumor that he hears about Annie.
Considering that Canvey isn't talking like that, but starting these as facts, this is not Coyote.
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Post by arf on Jun 4, 2014 23:22:23 GMT
A refinement of that theory has it that the ejecta initially formed two bodies which subsequently collided (this explains the fingerprint Tsiolkovskiy Crater on the far side.) |
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Post by werekill on Jun 5, 2014 4:12:18 GMT
Well, Coyote cannot lie, so it is hard for him to be Canvey. This doesn't mean that he can't tell someone to tell him something just so that he can say, "I heard that Antimony met every creature in the forest," or force the spread of any rumor that he hears about Annie.
Considering that Canvey isn't talking like that, but starting these as facts, this is not Coyote.
Who says he can't lie? However, him being Canvey has nothing to do with what I'm saying, although I can easily see him being Coyote in disguise. Coyote told Annie that gods are created from stories people told. People (specifically forest creatures) are not telling myth-level stories about her, and the moon is a PERFECT set up for them to really start believing. It's not a huge leap of logic to think that Coyote has been setting up Annie to become this for a long time. Random thing I just thought about: Coyote specifically mentioned humans telling the "god stories" if I remember right. So if I'm correct, how will it end up different with forest creatures and robots telling the stories? Edit: Also, notice the colors used for the moons. They're pretty coyoteish, maybe it really is him and the moons are a hint? |
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Post by arf on Jun 5, 2014 7:59:45 GMT
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Post by smurfton on Jun 5, 2014 8:01:38 GMT
Who says he can't lie? However, him being Canvey has nothing to do with what I'm saying, although I can easily see him being Coyote in disguise. Jones on page 366 says "Coyote it's no liar. Therein lies the danger. Just be careful how you handle his advice." Ugh that was so hard to find. Edit: I do agree though, Coyote was probably involved somehow. |
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Post by werekill on Jun 5, 2014 10:42:59 GMT
True, but someone can be not a liar but still lie, if that makes sense. Just like how a liar can tell the truth. I googled around a bit and found a Word of Tom that answers this here: gunnerkrigg.wikia.com/wiki/Word_of_Tom:_Gillitie_WoodI quote: "Does Coyote see the concepts of right and wrong in the same way most well functioning humans do? Would you say he is a moral character (by our standards)? Would he lie, cheat or hurt someone if he saw amusement in it? He would do all of the above if it so pleased him. He understands what is right and wrong, but only far enough to get enjoyment from not acting correctly." |
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Post by Ophel on Jun 5, 2014 11:23:38 GMT
I'm really, really hoping armless gets burned by Annie, or punished by Ysengrin or Coyote for this. Aww, don't be like that. Frankie (Canvey) is being harmless. 'Sides, it makes for an interesting story, and amusing to guess which story correlates to which actual events, like this Moons story. Anyway, Sidney (which I shall now nickname the fairie until named, again as its neutral) would probably just bonk Frankie on the head by the end when they found out. Or, it becomes more amusing and Sid might actually believe Frankie by the end due to something extraordinary happened when meeting Antimony. All I see is a disapproving insectoid. :/ True, but someone can be not a liar but still lie, if that makes sense. Just like how a liar can tell the truth. The way I see it, Jones said that about Coyote probably because she understands that Coyote can as easily use truth in such a way that it would still be used for his trickery. Basically, he can weaponise truth as much as lies to meet his own ends/amusements. I imagine a trickster god can use anything to trick people, even with the truth. |
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 5, 2014 14:53:36 GMT
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 5, 2014 15:04:09 GMT
He wouldn't be able to keep it up with a straight face for this long. |
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 5, 2014 16:17:12 GMT
One thing I am noticing, this is a far more polite, articulate, and somewhat grammatical individual than any of the other fairies we've met. Probably doesn't fit in very well.  |
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Post by warrl on Jun 5, 2014 16:30:38 GMT
One thing I am noticing, this is a far more polite, articulate, and somewhat grammatical individual than any of the other fairies we've met. Probably doesn't fit in very well. But less mathematical. |
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Post by arf on Jun 6, 2014 2:00:50 GMT
All I see is a disapproving insectoid. :/ Actually, I think he might be snacking on a wisp! The central bright ringed area is Coyote's ear. The other ear is a dark patch slightly above and to the left. His eyes are the bright stars in the dark patches below said ears, and his nose is off to the left. The wisp is the really bright patches slightly below centre. (What is missing is the trademark grin. The layout would also match a thylacine, which is something I'm sure Coyote would have loved to have met. Other interpretations include a Minecraft creeper) |
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Post by smurfton on Jun 6, 2014 7:09:26 GMT
Can we not have it? I kind of feel trapped in a loop of replying despite no longer caring. |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 10, 2014 12:49:05 GMT
guys did no-one else notice the reference to red and blue being all kissy?
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Post by Ophel on Jun 10, 2014 13:34:06 GMT
All I see is a disapproving insectoid. :/ Actually, I think he might be snacking on a wisp! The central bright ringed area is Coyote's ear. The other ear is a dark patch slightly above and to the left. His eyes are the bright stars in the dark patches below said ears, and his nose is off to the left. The wisp is the really bright patches slightly below centre. (What is missing is the trademark grin. The layout would also match a thylacine, which is something I'm sure Coyote would have loved to have met. Other interpretations include a Minecraft creeper) I don't see it!! D'X Oh well... I suppose my mind just doesn't want to. |
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