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Post by Nepycros on Apr 14, 2014 7:02:40 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on Apr 14, 2014 7:05:11 GMT
Oh no! A white collar salaryman! The scariest monster!
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Post by fwip on Apr 14, 2014 7:05:24 GMT
Etheric smoke and mirrors.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Apr 14, 2014 7:07:24 GMT
"It was...a busy time." Dat understatement.
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Post by cu on Apr 14, 2014 7:09:03 GMT
We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep.
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Post by Señor Goose on Apr 14, 2014 7:08:59 GMT
Contless
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Post by fwip on Apr 14, 2014 7:18:28 GMT
Yup. I think that my point from the previous thread - nothing here is physical, everything Annie sees is still more or less controlled by Nosferatu and he's just showing her the stage props as a way to set the mood as he tells her about how ROTD really works - still holds. [/smug]
Also, where did Ankou go? If he really did disappear, then that is support for an opposing theory that this is somehow non-etheric space, that Annie closed her etheric eye (or had it closed for her somehow by Nosferatu) and thus can no longer see either smoke, mirrors, or Ankou.
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Post by Eversist on Apr 14, 2014 7:19:21 GMT
Oh, poor Mort.
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Post by Nepycros on Apr 14, 2014 7:22:16 GMT
Yup. I think that my point from the previous thread - nothing here is physical, everything Annie sees is still more or less controlled by Nosferatu and he's just showing her the stage props as a way to set the mood as he tells her about how ROTD really works - still holds. [/smug] Also, where did Ankou go? If he really did disappear, then that is support for an opposing theory that this is somehow non-etheric space, that Annie closed her etheric eye (or had it closed for her somehow by Nosferatu) and thus can no longer see either smoke, mirrors, or Ankou. This does raise questions on why Kat could so confidently circumvent RotD smoke/mirrors (by having a naturalistic approach), yet can also see Ankou. This implies that either Kat has a switch to allow Psychopomps but not giant monsters without backbone, or that the circumstances of the realm aren't yet clear. |
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Post by Nnelg on Apr 14, 2014 7:24:38 GMT
Let's keep going; this is fun! (If I had started reading the comic one chapter earlier, my record would be 3-1...) |
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Post by fwip on Apr 14, 2014 7:25:25 GMT
Yup. I think that my point from the previous thread - nothing here is physical, everything Annie sees is still more or less controlled by Nosferatu and he's just showing her the stage props as a way to set the mood as he tells her about how ROTD really works - still holds. [/smug] Also, where did Ankou go? If he really did disappear, then that is support for an opposing theory that this is somehow non-etheric space, that Annie closed her etheric eye (or had it closed for her somehow by Nosferatu) and thus can no longer see either smoke, mirrors, or Ankou. This does raise questions on why Kat could so confidently circumvent RotD smoke/mirrors (by having a naturalistic approach), yet can also see Ankou. This implies that either Kat has a switch to allow Psychopomps but not giant monsters without backbone, or that the circumstances of the realm aren't yet clear. Psychopomps choose who they are seen by. So I suppose you can disregard the second part of my post. |
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Post by fwip on Apr 14, 2014 7:27:51 GMT
Let's keep going; this is fun! (If I had started reading the comic one chapter earlier, my record would be 3-1...) Go ahead and give it to yourself. |
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Post by Nepycros on Apr 14, 2014 7:28:20 GMT
This does raise questions on why Kat could so confidently circumvent RotD smoke/mirrors (by having a naturalistic approach), yet can also see Ankou. This implies that either Kat has a switch to allow Psychopomps but not giant monsters without backbone, or that the circumstances of the realm aren't yet clear. Psychopomps choose who they are seen by. So I suppose you can disregard the second part of my post. Well, that's only true when a psychopomp wants to be seen by normal humans. It's like a 3-dimensional being showing itself to a 2-dimensional being. At first, you can only see a single surface, an imprint. A representation can be made to let the 2-dimensional being have a rough idea of what they are seeing. But Annie is obviously not 2-dimensional. She holds a great tie to the ether naturally, and has NEVER had trouble seeing psychopomps, even when she was a child, and seeing a guide of death could be damaging to her development. Either by Surma's will, by her faith in the Guides' discretion, or through Annie's natural abilities she can see psychopomps without restraint. |
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Post by fwip on Apr 14, 2014 7:35:52 GMT
Psychopomps choose who they are seen by. So I suppose you can disregard the second part of my post. Well, that's only true when a psychopomp wants to be seen by normal humans. It's like a 3-dimensional being showing itself to a 2-dimensional being. At first, you can only see a single surface, an imprint. A representation can be made to let the 2-dimensional being have a rough idea of what they are seeing. But Annie is obviously not 2-dimensional. She holds a great tie to the ether naturally, and has NEVER had trouble seeing psychopomps, even when she was a child, and seeing a guide of death could be damaging to her development. Either by Surma's will, by her faith in the Guides' discretion, or through Annie's natural abilities she can see psychopomps without restraint. So basically what it comes down to is if Annie does have an etheric eyelid. Of course, I'm sure Ankou will be on the next page and Tom will be laughing at us as usual for paying attention to the wrong things. Also at first I thought that Ankou had turned into one of the candelabras. |
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Post by philman on Apr 14, 2014 7:37:11 GMT
Yup. I think that my point from the previous thread - nothing here is physical, everything Annie sees is still more or less controlled by Nosferatu and he's just showing her the stage props as a way to set the mood as he tells her about how ROTD really works - still holds. [/smug] Also, where did Ankou go? If he really did disappear, then that is support for an opposing theory that this is somehow non-etheric space, that Annie closed her etheric eye (or had it closed for her somehow by Nosferatu) and thus can no longer see either smoke, mirrors, or Ankou. This does raise questions on why Kat could so confidently circumvent RotD smoke/mirrors (by having a naturalistic approach), yet can also see Ankou. This implies that either Kat has a switch to allow Psychopomps but not giant monsters without backbone, or that the circumstances of the realm aren't yet clear. Well, no, It is the fake stuff she sees through, the psychopomps are real. Kat could see the psychopomps as they really are, when they chose to reveal themselves to her, because they are real. She also saw the ROTD for what they really are as well, because they are real. Also called i.... oh wait, Tom got there first... |
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Post by Ophel on Apr 14, 2014 7:39:05 GMT
You know, Nosferatu here don't look all that different from what Mort saw him as. Also, it could also just be that Ankou is just out of focus for the page. I can see how it could look a bit cramped and cluttered if Ankou was included in any of these panels. Maybe Wednesday? Looking at this page though, it kinda gives me a sense of comfort and a received benevolence from the whole RotD when Nosferatu gave his explanation to Annie. Even Annie's anger is diffused. I could even say that, to me, this system (emotionally) feels better than how I perceive (and what was given) about Gunnerkrigg Court. Though it feels like GC's workings is a bit more "wonky" than RotD. Heheh, a little contrast between GC and RotD going on, eh? |
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Post by sidhekin on Apr 14, 2014 7:50:49 GMT
It is the fake stuff she sees through, the psychopomps are real. Fake? You might think so. But the ether makes it real. |
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Post by Ophel on Apr 14, 2014 8:00:23 GMT
It is the fake stuff she sees through, the psychopomps are real. Fake? You might think so. But the ether makes it real.  That is a very fair point, sir. |
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Post by KMar on Apr 14, 2014 8:29:22 GMT
All this is just a creep show. NOOOO This can't be true. I want to believe in the Credentials Bat. I want to believe. *a-hem*So, first one created the monsters like Dracula first, the unjustly dead of the ROTD or the humans alive? E.g. was he a mere tale of fiction until someone in ROTD decided to take this character's likeness and scare people as 'a vampire', a monster from folklore, or did a new ghost once 'invent' the figure of blood drinking monster we're familiar with, and when started to scare people the said people called the horror they saw 'a vampire'? Also, how Coyote's theory fits in this? Is there a somewhere a real, not-ROTD vampire kept alive and fuelled by the imagination of the mortals, or is the ROTD precisely this very real 'vampire'? I guess Ankou is still in the background. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Apr 14, 2014 9:11:02 GMT
We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep. Do not wait for the final judgement- it takes place every day. |
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Post by arf on Apr 14, 2014 9:14:52 GMT
Fools! We are seeing this page from Ankou's pov!
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Post by zimmyzims on Apr 14, 2014 9:49:06 GMT
Hah, Tom's comment. Yeah, fair enough, he called it.
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Post by Angry Individual on Apr 14, 2014 11:32:43 GMT
Fools! We are seeing this page from Ankou's pov! That'd be interesting! |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 14, 2014 13:27:31 GMT
I don't know. He's left his "mark on the world" through Kat and Annie. I don't know if that's how the RotD usually works, but for all the monuments in the world, there's none better than to be remembered by friends. Fools! We are seeing this page from Ankou's pov! Next, we'll see him checking out a cut-out skeleton on the wall. "Oh! Who posed for that? They died healthy. Rawr." It will be very awkward. |
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Post by keef on Apr 14, 2014 13:28:20 GMT
And corrected. Could have been worse... |
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Post by Per on Apr 14, 2014 13:54:19 GMT
Fools! We are seeing this page from Ankou's pov! In the next page, the view pulls out from Annie and the vampire, their speech balloons no longer readable, until we see them inside a small glass marble held by Ankou. He then puts the marble in a curio cabinet and walks away. And then he fights crime. |
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Post by Misfrosseon on Apr 14, 2014 14:17:17 GMT
Fools! We are seeing this page from Ankou's pov! In the next page, the view pulls out from Annie and the vampire, their speech balloons no longer readable, until we see them inside a small glass marble held by Ankou. He then puts the marble in a curio cabinet and walks away. And then he fights crime. "Thanks for reading 'til the end, guys. It's been a fun ride!" - Tom |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 14, 2014 14:59:43 GMT
I think reality in the Gunnerverse is on the sliding scale. We're very close to the ether here. It's not surprising that things are quite fluid. Farther from the ether would be the Court, where things appear stable but avenues of etheric science are available that are not available elsewhere. Farther still from the ether would be the mundane world where ghosts would be (presumably) more rare and rarely kill people with swords.
If there really is no deeper purpose to the haunting than just people's ghosts wanting to make their marks instead of keeping etheric channels open I'll be a bit disappointed in that segment of my longstanding complex flow/layering theory being shot down... but it may be the case that the RotD is just an overlay and this dude doesn't know his real place in the cosmic design...
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 14, 2014 16:19:31 GMT
Oh no! A white collar salaryman! The scariest monster! To think, City Face could end up like this. |
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Post by Eversist on Apr 14, 2014 16:29:06 GMT
I don't know. He's left his "mark on the world" through Kat and Annie. I don't know if that's how the RotD usually works, but for all the monuments in the world, there's none better than to be remembered by friends. That's true. I just feel bad for him because he doesn't even know about any of this. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. |
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That is a very fair point, sir.
