[1280] It was that obvious?

[Gotolei]

Lots of talking.

[Momo]

Sorry to break it to you Kat, but subtlety isn't one of your strong suits. 

[Nepycros]

On the bright side, now all of Gunnerkrigg Court can 'it's happening.jpg' without Annie's repetitive meme popping up.

[Gotolei]

I blame terribad wifi and a rush for the clumsy title and comment >.>


Looks like the Kat's really out of the bag now

Liking how Rey's shapeshifting still changes his attitude.

Also the second-to-last panel kinda sums up multiple pages of speculation on this forum.

[americonedream]

This is all wonderfully fascinating and I'm glad Kat has opted to give zero craps about what others think aside from Annie but..
anybody else distracted by Rey's pigeon drawing being right next to his bed? Because that's adorable. I know it was shown in Quicksilver too but I just can't get over it. Aaa, continuity.

[crater]

proof that Kat loves Ann. Renard said it was obvious. What other girl does Rey see Kat hanging around with?

is it me, or is the elephant in the room:

If Ann was lesbian, she wouldn't have to die to her reproductive process

[Rymdljus]

Nov 25, 2013 8:19:39 GMT crater said:

If Ann was lesbian, she wouldn't have to die to her reproductive process

Actually, she wouldn't strictly speaking have to die if she hooked up with a male either.

[philman]

Nov 25, 2013 8:19:39 GMT crater said:

proof that Kat loves Ann. Renard said it was obvious. What other girl does Rey see Kat hanging around with?

is it me, or is the elephant in the room:

If Ann was lesbian, she wouldn't have to die to her reproductive process

Not proof at all, being worried what your friends think of your relationships is exceedingly common amongst 14 year olds...

And to the latter point, sort of, although being lesbian doesn't mean you don't want to have children when older. And if you cannot have them with your female partner you will have to find a donor, which will still cause the exact same problems as if she had been straight.

[download]

I assume most of us have seen this?

[Gotolei]

Nov 25, 2013 8:25:58 GMT Rymdljus said:

Nov 25, 2013 8:19:39 GMT crater said:

If Ann was lesbian, she wouldn't have to die to her reproductive process

Actually, she wouldn't strictly speaking have to die if she hooked up with a male either.

I recall there being a WoT or similar saying fire elementals are hard-wired to reproduce, and that's all there really was to say on the matter. Not sure though, looked through the wiki and didn't see it..

Nov 25, 2013 8:31:53 GMT download said:

[MK.jpg]

I assume most of us have seen this?

Yeah, it was posted in the last thread.

[Rymdljus]

Where are those "Congrats" pictures coming from?

Nov 25, 2013 8:34:58 GMT Gotolei said:

Nov 25, 2013 8:25:58 GMT Rymdljus said:

Actually, she wouldn't strictly speaking have to die if she hooked up with a male either.

I recall there being a WoT or similar saying fire elementals are hard-wired to reproduce, and that's all there really was to say on the matter. Not sure though, looked through the wiki and didn't see it..

Really? That's... kind of disturbing.

Edit: Wait. Humans are also hard wired to repoduce. As are all animals. Doesn't mean everybody does it.

[Gotolei]

Nov 25, 2013 8:35:43 GMT Rymdljus said:

Where are those "Congrats" pictures coming from?

An artist in the zone (known as MK I think). Probably some of the least offensive things to come out of there

[sidhekin]

Fire must spread or die ...

[Lightice]

Nov 25, 2013 8:34:58 GMT Gotolei said:

I recall there being a WoT or similar saying fire elementals are hard-wired to reproduce, and that's all there really was to say on the matter. Not sure though, looked through the wiki and didn't see it..

That's just what Coyote's words have vaguely implied when he commented what would happen when rather than if Annie would have a child. We still don't know any details of how that would happen.

[Rymdljus]

Nov 25, 2013 9:02:27 GMT Lightice said:

Nov 25, 2013 8:34:58 GMT Gotolei said:

I recall there being a WoT or similar saying fire elementals are hard-wired to reproduce, and that's all there really was to say on the matter. Not sure though, looked through the wiki and didn't see it..

That's just what Coyote's words have vaguely implied when he commented what would happen when rather than if Annie would have a child. We still don't know any details of how that would happen.

That doesn't seem specific to fire elementals in itself. It is most often assumed that people (girls especially) will want to have children some day. This can be very annoying as the same people often doesn't believe you when you say you don't. But I digress.

As to how it would happen, well... probably the stork?

[Max]

I really love Kat's expressions in this page. And her dialogue. They work really naturally together.

[Lightice]

Nov 25, 2013 9:38:53 GMT Rymdljus said:

That doesn't seem specific to fire elementals in itself. It is most often assumed that people (girls especially) will want to have children some day. This can be very annoying as the same people often doesn't believe you when you say you don't.

You would assume that the knowledge of your inevitable demise in the event of having a baby would make most people rather queasy about the concept, but somehow the chain has remained unbroken since the times immemorial. And what I mean abot the question "how" is how the fire elemental physiology compels people to have the child, no matter what.

[Rymdljus]

Nov 25, 2013 9:49:15 GMT Lightice said:

You would assume that the knowledge of your inevitable demise in the event of having a baby would make most people rather queasy about the concept, but somehow the chain has remained unbroken since the times immemorial. And what I mean abot the question "how" is how the fire elemental physiology compels people to have the child, no matter what.

You have a point about the unbroken chain of fire elementals having children. That seems a bit strange. Although, who knows how long fire elemetals live? If they are immortal, maybe they tire of life after a few hundred years and decide to pass on their spirits? But that is wild speculation, of course.

I still argue, though, that human physiology compels people to have children, too. Whether we decide to actually have children is a personal choice. And fire elementals are individuals too (at least Annie is).

I do get what you are saying, I just hope that it isn't so.

[Toloc]

I think it would be safe to say that FireHybrids are not immortal. Surma aged at a completely human pace. As for the Elementals themselves, Annie might indeed meet one of her ancestors.
I assume fire elementals don't die when having children among each other. They wouldn't be able to build a population if for each Elemental born one had to die. They could procreate in another way when no human is involved.

We do not know how long ago the fire elementals are in Annie's family line. "Long ago" when said by Coyote could mean anything. Could be prehistoric, could be around the Court/forest division, could be her Grandparents.

BTW: When was the Court/forest division?

[snipertom]

Nov 25, 2013 9:49:15 GMT Lightice said:

Nov 25, 2013 9:38:53 GMT Rymdljus said:

That doesn't seem specific to fire elementals in itself. It is most often assumed that people (girls especially) will want to have children some day. This can be very annoying as the same people often doesn't believe you when you say you don't.

You would assume that the knowledge of your inevitable demise in the event of having a baby would make most people rather queasy about the concept, but somehow the chain has remained unbroken since the times immemorial. And what I mean abot the question "how" is how the fire elemental physiology compels people to have the child, no matter what.

That's somewhat circular. We just don't know about the non-reproducing fire-elementals. Just like how all our ancestors, amazingly ALL REPRODUCED.

[fishtie]

Nov 25, 2013 10:01:55 GMT Rymdljus said:

Nov 25, 2013 9:49:15 GMT Lightice said:

You would assume that the knowledge of your inevitable demise in the event of having a baby would make most people rather queasy about the concept, but somehow the chain has remained unbroken since the times immemorial. And what I mean abot the question "how" is how the fire elemental physiology compels people to have the child, no matter what.

You have a point about the unbroken chain of fire elementals having children. That seems a bit strange. Although, who knows how long fire elemetals live? If they are immortal, maybe they tire of life after a few hundred years and decide to pass on their spirits? But that is wild speculation, of course.

I still argue, though, that human physiology compels people to have children, too. Whether we decide to actually have children is a personal choice. And fire elementals are individuals too (at least Annie is).

I do get what you are saying, I just hope that it isn't so.

Surma knew.  She made that choice.

[Lightice]

Nov 25, 2013 10:42:32 GMT snipertom said:

That's somewhat circular. We just don't know about the non-reproducing fire-elementals. Just like how all our ancestors, amazingly ALL REPRODUCED.

The problem is that in Annie's bloodline there can be only one!

When one half-elemental descendent is born, the mother always dies. So there can't be a single one who'd opt to remain childless. There's only one line of descent, period. And Surma had Annie quite young in spite of being aware of her condition; what drove her to that decision? Not Anthony, certainly. He was a lot more distraught than she was.

[snipertom]

Nov 25, 2013 11:01:19 GMT Lightice said:

Nov 25, 2013 10:42:32 GMT snipertom said:

That's somewhat circular. We just don't know about the non-reproducing fire-elementals. Just like how all our ancestors, amazingly ALL REPRODUCED.

The problem is that in Annie's bloodline there can be only one!

When one half-elemental descendent is born, the mother always dies. So there can't be a single one who'd opt to remain childless. There's only one line of descent, period. And Surma had Annie quite young in spite of being aware of her condition; what drove her to that decision? Not Anthony, certainly. He was a lot more distraught than she was.

Sure, but other fire x mans could have happened and their bloodline could have died out? I guess it also remains to be seen why Surma did choose to have a child despite knowing. And also why 'everyone knew' in the previous generation but in this generation, Annie was not told?

[zimmyzims]

Nov 25, 2013 8:05:49 GMT Gotolei said:

I blame terribad wifi and a rush for the clumsy title and comment >.>

You're forgiven, but the obvious comment would have been Tom's "Annie is still a mystery sometimes."

Nov 25, 2013 8:05:49 GMT Gotolei said:

Also the second-to-last panel kinda sums up multiple pages of speculation on this forum.

Quick, let's delete all our speculation and debate and replace it with this short dialogue:

-"Do you really think she ran away because of what she saw?"
-"I dunno!"

[kalechibki]

Admittedly, one simple and awesome fact made me lose focus on the rest of the page: Kat's ninja like balancing skills. Renard grew a whole order of magnitude of size in a nanosecond, and she wasn't thrown off her feet! Just how quick are Kat's reflexings and how good are her balancing skills?

Nov 25, 2013 8:25:58 GMT Rymdljus said:

So, I just thought this was adorable and had to share: My three year old son was floating around me while his bread was toasting this morning and I was checking the forum. He saw your avatar and said "Bird scary" (which to him is Bird is scared...hasn't quite mastered the past tense yet). Then proceeded to run around our kitchen making sounds like a scared bird.

[Rymdljus]

Nov 25, 2013 12:56:26 GMT kalechibki said:

So, I just thought this was adorable and had to share: My three year old son was floating around me while his bread was toasting this morning and I was checking the forum. He saw your avatar and said "Bird scary" (which to him is Bird is scared...hasn't quite mastered the past tense yet). Then proceeded to run around our kitchen making sounds like a scared bird.

Aww, haha! That's adorable.  The bird is okay. It has broken it's wing but a little girl is taking care of it.

[Maeniel]

Nov 25, 2013 9:38:53 GMT Rymdljus said:

Nov 25, 2013 9:02:27 GMT Lightice said:

That's just what Coyote's words have vaguely implied when he commented what would happen when rather than if Annie would have a child. We still don't know any details of how that would happen.

That doesn't seem specific to fire elementals in itself. It is most often assumed that people (girls especially) will want to have children some day. This can be very annoying as the same people often doesn't believe you when you say you don't. But I digress.

As to how it would happen, well... probably the stork?

I think it's much less about reproduction and more about survival. In humans, we might feel a need to reproduce, (which is entirely debatable,) but we're able to choose whether to reproduce or not because we're ultimately talking about another life. We can evaluate whether a child is going to be a good part of our life, or if we might have goals centered around something other than family.


In Surma's case, it's a little more complex. It's clear that Annie is indeed her own person, but she's also a continuation of the fire elemental's life force. I'd guess that having a child in a fire elemental's case is less about reproduction and more about self-preservation.

[aaroncampbell]

I wonder what the repercussions are now that Kat has Antimony's symbol on her foot. I hope Annie and Paz won't have to fight it out. (Entirely joking here!)

[ctso74]

"Secret secret" is equivalent to the "Double dare". Serious serious stuff.

[thedoctor]

Nov 25, 2013 14:12:49 GMT Maeniel said:

Nov 25, 2013 9:38:53 GMT Rymdljus said:

That doesn't seem specific to fire elementals in itself. It is most often assumed that people (girls especially) will want to have children some day. This can be very annoying as the same people often doesn't believe you when you say you don't. But I digress.

As to how it would happen, well... probably the stork?

I think it's much less about reproduction and more about survival. In humans, we might feel a need to reproduce, (which is entirely debatable,) but we're able to choose whether to reproduce or not because we're ultimately talking about another life. We can evaluate whether a child is going to be a good part of our life, or if we might have goals centered around something other than family.


In Surma's case, it's a little more complex. It's clear that Annie is indeed her own person, but she's also a continuation of the fire elemental's life force. I'd guess that having a child in a fire elemental's case is less about reproduction and more about self-preservation.

Your words are both confusing and accurate (and effectively communicating of the point, oddly enough); that is a feat of impressiveness not often seen in the world anymore. +1 internets to you!