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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 9, 2013 0:41:57 GMT
EDIT: Hi, Gunnerkrigg! Woo, first post. Alright, I really miss theorizing, so here goes. Remember this: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824? Our first indication that Coyote's intentions, or at least his actions, are not all benevolent. (probably, I'm not sure) Anyways, that Bind, obviously, never was broken, so the bind never lopped Annie's hand off. So why did Tom put it in? It's natural that a good measure of Chekhov-style foreshadowing is going on here. All but entirely certainly, another Bind will be shown placed on somebody. Since this one was broken, it's easy to expect that one will be broken, taking a limb or possibly a head off somebody, But it's also the first of the ties to the forest that Annie is given, and more seem to be coming as she is immersed deeper into their culture, as well as she starts to interact with the inhabitants. Currently, this has only been done in a very... flamey manner, but I expect more genial terms soon. This also gives it a symbolic meaning - it is the loss of the choice to leave the forest, much as Ysengrin seems to have lost it. Unlike Renard, he is a pawn to Coyote; possibly a similar path will be taken by Annie - he lost Renard to the Court thanks to Surma, so he's going to take her daughter. However, unless Annie rebels, I highly doubt that a Bind will be placed on her again and broken. So then who? Look at the fourth treatise, posted only eight pages afterwards. gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00000832.jpg The first thing that caught my eye was the big white mysterious lady stabbing the heart with an arrow-sword. But the second thing was the vines growing up Annie's arm. This treatise is very symmetric, so I looked over to Kat. She, too has something claiming her lower arm, but it's not from the Court. It's from Annie. I'm not even going to try to discuss all the other symbolism going on here, such as the Paz-type birds in Kat's hand and the Zimmy/Jack??-style ethereal spider in Annie's. Gorramit, I digress. I have to wonder, as Annie goes 'deeper' into the forest, will Kat reluctantly follow? Will her bond to Annie be forcibly broken? Will, for whatever reason, a Bind be placed on her left arm, causing her to lose it and ultimately severing her ties with Annie the Coyote pawn? Will kikj realize he's making stuff up as he goes? Anyways, my shot at this. We need some solid evidence; feel free to tear this to shreds!  |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 9, 2013 1:25:18 GMT
Hm, this is something. From what I recall, almost everything from the fourth treatise has been explained but maybe.. The way I interpreted Annie's hair being wrapped around Kat's arm wasn't that Annie was pulling Kat from humanity, but vice-versa. One might recall how Annie has always been kind of socially awkward, and how she's kind of drifting into the forest's society (basically what's said in first post). Kat's one of the last "normal" people Annie seems to hang around and know well. Worth noting, the fourth treatise (same link as above, just not direct) was posted just after Annie went into the forest for the summer. Also I'm not sure what exactly is meant by the bind being "broken," but it came off here. E: also worth noting that I'm not really an intense theorist/speculator myself (more of a tl;drist  ) and I'm pretty sure some more-knowledgeable people will turn up soon enough to rip everything to shreds and make origami out of it, laughing on line. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 9, 2013 1:43:45 GMT
Oh, yeah, by 'broken' I meant what would have happened if the contract was violated and somebody's limb count kinda decreased. EDIT: where is the analysis of the various treatises? I'm very new around here. (see postcount ) |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 9, 2013 1:48:20 GMT
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Nov 13, 2013 0:20:34 GMT
I just put it on her because I didn't want anyone else asking for one. It's so boring if everyone has legendary weapons.
Plus, ya'know, power creep. (Actually, 'powerful creep' is a good description of me, WAHAHAHA...but I digress.) I make Firehead Girl a really damn sharp blade, she blabs about it to her Forest friends, and people come pestering me for more of them! Then it's nothing but work, work, work...and that's no fun.
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Post by Gulby on Nov 13, 2013 1:23:06 GMT
I am pretty sure that the bind is here as an example to make us think of how Ysengrin lost his ear. I thought everyone would have think of that, I'm surprised, gladly, if not.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 13, 2013 1:27:16 GMT
I am pretty sure that the bind is here as an example to make us think of how Ysengrin lost his ear. I thought everyone would have think of that, I'm surprised, gladly, if not. I actually only noticed the missing ear recently. I didn't ask about it because I assumed it was yet another thing I forgot |
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 29, 2013 10:32:41 GMT
EDIT: Hi, Gunnerkrigg! Woo, first post. Alright, I really miss theorizing, so here goes. Remember this: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824? Our first indication that Coyote's intentions, or at least his actions, are not all benevolent. (probably, I'm not sure) Anyways, that Bind, obviously, never was broken, so the bind never lopped Annie's hand off. So why did Tom put it in? It's natural that a good measure of Chekhov-style foreshadowing is going on here. All but entirely certainly, another Bind will be shown placed on somebody. Since this one was broken, it's easy to expect that one will be broken, taking a limb or possibly a head off somebody, But it's also the first of the ties to the forest that Annie is given, and more seem to be coming as she is immersed deeper into their culture, as well as she starts to interact with the inhabitants. Currently, this has only been done in a very... flamey manner, but I expect more genial terms soon. This also gives it a symbolic meaning - it is the loss of the choice to leave the forest, much as Ysengrin seems to have lost it. Unlike Renard, he is a pawn to Coyote; possibly a similar path will be taken by Annie - he lost Renard to the Court thanks to Surma, so he's going to take her daughter. However, unless Annie rebels, I highly doubt that a Bind will be placed on her again and broken. So then who? Look at the fourth treatise, posted only eight pages afterwards. gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00000832.jpg The first thing that caught my eye was the big white mysterious lady stabbing the heart with an arrow-sword. But the second thing was the vines growing up Annie's arm. This treatise is very symmetric, so I looked over to Kat. She, too has something claiming her lower arm, but it's not from the Court. It's from Annie. I'm not even going to try to discuss all the other symbolism going on here, such as the Paz-type birds in Kat's hand and the Zimmy/Jack??-style ethereal spider in Annie's. Gorramit, I digress. I have to wonder, as Annie goes 'deeper' into the forest, will Kat reluctantly follow? Will her bond to Annie be forcibly broken? Will, for whatever reason, a Bind be placed on her left arm, causing her to lose it and ultimately severing her ties with Annie the Coyote pawn? Will kikj realize he's making stuff up as he goes? Anyways, my shot at this. We need some solid evidence; feel free to tear this to shreds! This seems relevant again, so upped. A question. Kat is now turned towards the birds which by now have become clear to symbolize KatPaz, and toward her machinery; so the bind she has in her arm from Annie's side is binding her to the direction Annie is going, but she is actually keen to go her own way. There are many ways to interpret it, but the general question is whether it is Annie who puts a bind in Kat's arm, and not Coyote personally (or maybe Coyote because of Annie) and eventually cuts it off because Kat betrays her? What is cool is that Kat by now has advanced quite a bit with her robotics, so she would probably grow herself an artificial limb. That would mark the beginning of both Kat's conflict with Annie and her physical (and etheric?) transformation into a robot-godess. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 29, 2013 16:01:27 GMT
EDIT: Hi, Gunnerkrigg! Woo, first post. Alright, I really miss theorizing, so here goes. Remember this: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=824? Our first indication that Coyote's intentions, or at least his actions, are not all benevolent. (probably, I'm not sure) Anyways, that Bind, obviously, never was broken, so the bind never lopped Annie's hand off. So why did Tom put it in? It's natural that a good measure of Chekhov-style foreshadowing is going on here. All but entirely certainly, another Bind will be shown placed on somebody. Since this one was broken, it's easy to expect that one will be broken, taking a limb or possibly a head off somebody, But it's also the first of the ties to the forest that Annie is given, and more seem to be coming as she is immersed deeper into their culture, as well as she starts to interact with the inhabitants. Currently, this has only been done in a very... flamey manner, but I expect more genial terms soon. This also gives it a symbolic meaning - it is the loss of the choice to leave the forest, much as Ysengrin seems to have lost it. Unlike Renard, he is a pawn to Coyote; possibly a similar path will be taken by Annie - he lost Renard to the Court thanks to Surma, so he's going to take her daughter. However, unless Annie rebels, I highly doubt that a Bind will be placed on her again and broken. So then who? Look at the fourth treatise, posted only eight pages afterwards. gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00000832.jpg The first thing that caught my eye was the big white mysterious lady stabbing the heart with an arrow-sword. But the second thing was the vines growing up Annie's arm. This treatise is very symmetric, so I looked over to Kat. She, too has something claiming her lower arm, but it's not from the Court. It's from Annie. I'm not even going to try to discuss all the other symbolism going on here, such as the Paz-type birds in Kat's hand and the Zimmy/Jack??-style ethereal spider in Annie's. Gorramit, I digress. I have to wonder, as Annie goes 'deeper' into the forest, will Kat reluctantly follow? Will her bond to Annie be forcibly broken? Will, for whatever reason, a Bind be placed on her left arm, causing her to lose it and ultimately severing her ties with Annie the Coyote pawn? Will kikj realize he's making stuff up as he goes? Anyways, my shot at this. We need some solid evidence; feel free to tear this to shreds! This seems relevant again, so upped. A question. Kat is now turned towards the birds which by now have become clear to symbolize KatPaz, and toward her machinery; so the bind she has in her arm from Annie's side is binding her to the direction Annie is going, but she is actually keen to go her own way. There are many ways to interpret it, but the general question is whether it is Annie who puts a bind in Kat's arm, and not Coyote personally (or maybe Coyote because of Annie) and eventually cuts it off because Kat betrays her? What is cool is that Kat by now has advanced quite a bit with her robotics, so she would probably grow herself an artificial limb. That would mark the beginning of both Kat's conflict with Annie and her physical (and etheric?) transformation into a robot-godess. Oh gosh. I really don't want to think of *Annie* being the one to put on the bind! Uggg, that could happen, but out of all the things that this post has that I hope doesn't happen, that's at the top of the list. Would you think she'd be manipulated into doing it, or would she personally do it out of her own volition - and why would she want to? However, even then, Coyote would have to grant her that power, which might be manipulatey done, but why would he want Kat's arm gone if Annie does it? Previously, I thought the only reason that'd he'd do it for is for further manipulation of Annie, not that she'd have already been in his control and this is how he uses it. Related to the robot-goddess part, I realized that Coyote said that Gunnerkrigg Court's goal is for 'man to become god'. Kat would epitomize that. I'm damn certian that Kat's gonna be making herself robot prosthetics if the Bind is broken. Actually, I came to this thought because I felt that at some point, Kat would have a prosthetic arm at some point, but I couldn't figure out why. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 9, 2013 9:22:25 GMT
This seems relevant again, so upped. A question. Kat is now turned towards the birds which by now have become clear to symbolize KatPaz, and toward her machinery; so the bind she has in her arm from Annie's side is binding her to the direction Annie is going, but she is actually keen to go her own way. There are many ways to interpret it, but the general question is whether it is Annie who puts a bind in Kat's arm, and not Coyote personally (or maybe Coyote because of Annie) and eventually cuts it off because Kat betrays her? What is cool is that Kat by now has advanced quite a bit with her robotics, so she would probably grow herself an artificial limb. That would mark the beginning of both Kat's conflict with Annie and her physical (and etheric?) transformation into a robot-godess. Oh gosh. I really don't want to think of *Annie* being the one to put on the bind! Uggg, that could happen, but out of all the things that this post has that I hope doesn't happen, that's at the top of the list. Would you think she'd be manipulated into doing it, or would she personally do it out of her own volition - and why would she want to? However, even then, Coyote would have to grant her that power, which might be manipulatey done, but why would he want Kat's arm gone if Annie does it? Previously, I thought the only reason that'd he'd do it for is for further manipulation of Annie, not that she'd have already been in his control and this is how he uses it. Related to the robot-goddess part, I realized that Coyote said that Gunnerkrigg Court's goal is for 'man to become god'. Kat would epitomize that. I'm damn certian that Kat's gonna be making herself robot prosthetics if the Bind is broken. Actually, I came to this thought because I felt that at some point, Kat would have a prosthetic arm at some point, but I couldn't figure out why. Back to this, I've been thinking about this, and maybe a combination of manipulation - Coyote might be giving this power to her as a part of his attempts to manipulate her cause war between forest and court - and her own temperament. She might be so angry to Kat, or so desperate for her loyalty and not realize what she has done before its too late. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 9, 2013 21:40:11 GMT
Oh gosh. I really don't want to think of *Annie* being the one to put on the bind! Uggg, that could happen, but out of all the things that this post has that I hope doesn't happen, that's at the top of the list. Would you think she'd be manipulated into doing it, or would she personally do it out of her own volition - and why would she want to? However, even then, Coyote would have to grant her that power, which might be manipulatey done, but why would he want Kat's arm gone if Annie does it? Previously, I thought the only reason that'd he'd do it for is for further manipulation of Annie, not that she'd have already been in his control and this is how he uses it. Related to the robot-goddess part, I realized that Coyote said that Gunnerkrigg Court's goal is for 'man to become god'. Kat would epitomize that. I'm damn certian that Kat's gonna be making herself robot prosthetics if the Bind is broken. Actually, I came to this thought because I felt that at some point, Kat would have a prosthetic arm at some point, but I couldn't figure out why. Back to this, I've been thinking about this, and maybe a combination of manipulation - Coyote might be giving this power to her as a part of his attempts to manipulate her cause war between forest and court - and her own temperament. She might be so angry to Kat, or so desperate for her loyalty and not realize what she has done before its too late. Like she's trying to bind kat to herself. Oooh gosh. That'd really make her do some serious spiralling in a very downwards direction when she realizes what she's done. Aaaah I'm not sure if I should keep reading this comic. |
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) and I'm pretty sure some more-knowledgeable people will turn up soon enough to rip everything to shreds and make origami out of it, laughing on line.
