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Post by Per on Aug 23, 2013 19:33:01 GMT
This is probably a symptom of the fact that he's an artist first, writer second. Has he said this?
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Post by King Mir on Aug 23, 2013 20:33:22 GMT
Well, Annie has been told repeatedly by several sources that Ysengrin is mentally unhinged, so it doesn't really come off as a surprise for her that even he knows that his brain isn't working quite as well as it should. Although we readers quickly take the "blame Coyote"-route even when he's not immediately obvious culprit, Annie has only had a few run ins with his darker aspects, and is less likely to put the two together, especially since at first hand it seems uncharacteristic of the Coyote to actively alter someone's mind. Annie has reason to suspect Coyote because Jones pointed out that he has a hold on him, and because he seemed to know what would happen. Of course, she has no way to guess what is the nature of his involvement.
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 23, 2013 22:16:10 GMT
This is very likely a remnant of the Court's advances into the forest before the division of the two sides. The grayness of it in obvious contrast to the green of the forest is... profound. This could very well be a symbolic place for the Court... or maybe the origin.
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Post by cannister on Aug 24, 2013 0:44:48 GMT
So I suppose Antimony might be in for a bit of a...crash course?
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Post by smjjames on Aug 24, 2013 5:53:14 GMT
As for the buildings, I suspect that this is the original place from where Gunnerkrigg Court began, before the rift emerged between humans and the creatures of the Forest, and before the Seed Bismuth was planted. Apparently the animals didn't raze quite all the buildings on their side of the ravine, after all. I don't think it was ever said that the forest side razed the buildings, that seems like it would be a court side thing. Seems more likely that the forest would just let nature do its own thing, even if helped along by fairy magics, and let the ruins decay naturally.
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 24, 2013 7:20:39 GMT
This is probably a symptom of the fact that he's an artist first, writer second. Has he said this? I'm not sure if he's used these exact words, but he has said that he started it originally as a way to practice drawing. And his old job was as an artist. Perhaps I may be wrong, but I at least have always thought of him as an artist first, and I've never seen anything to debunk this notion.
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Post by Lightice on Aug 24, 2013 10:14:18 GMT
Coyote manipulating Ys is still a far cry from him altering his memories. Annie has seen many examples of Coyote's manipulations, all which have been purely psychological, not magical in nature. I don't think it was ever said that the forest side razed the buildings, that seems like it would be a court side thing. Diego suggests differently, and since Jeanne doesn't refute him, I think that we can trust his word with this particular detail, which would seem to suggest that these particular buildings were spared for some reason.
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Post by arf on Aug 24, 2013 11:07:12 GMT
As for the buildings, I suspect that this is the original place from where Gunnerkrigg Court began, before the rift emerged between humans and the creatures of the Forest, and before the Seed Bismuth was planted. Apparently the animals didn't raze quite all the buildings on their side of the ravine, after all. I don't think it was ever said that the forest side razed the buildings, that seems like it would be a court side thing. Seems more likely that the forest would just let nature do its own thing, even if helped along by fairy magics, and let the ruins decay naturally. When Jeanne laments that the Court is felling all the trees, Diego responds "Yes. Just as those animals have razed the buildings on their side"
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 24, 2013 19:00:44 GMT
I suspect something a la "The Most Dangerous Game" to occur...
(also, first post, yay!)
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Post by warrl on Aug 24, 2013 23:12:14 GMT
Diego suggests differently, and since Jeanne doesn't refute him, I think that we can trust his word with this particular detail, which would seem to suggest that these particular buildings were spared for some reason. Looking at the architectural styles, I suspect that those buildings were well on their way to being ruins when the Court was founded.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 25, 2013 0:40:57 GMT
Diego suggests differently, and since Jeanne doesn't refute him, I think that we can trust his word with this particular detail, which would seem to suggest that these particular buildings were spared for some reason. Looking at the architectural styles, I suspect that those buildings were well on their way to being ruins when the Court was founded. It's not clear when exactly the split happened or when the Court was officially founded, and from what origins it sprang (besides the Seed Bismuth, which has yet to be explained). The Annan Waters were there since long before the plot against Jeanne, and that was back when powdered wigs were still in style. Who knows how far back the feud goes. My suspicions is that it was always there on some level. Familiarity breeds contempt.
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Post by csj on Aug 25, 2013 2:19:00 GMT
"And now I will make you stronger by launching into a new exposition arc." Great timing.
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Post by Lightice on Aug 25, 2013 7:53:56 GMT
Looking at the architectural styles, I suspect that those buildings were well on their way to being ruins when the Court was founded. In Europe there are major cathedrals that were started in the Middle Ages that only got finished by the 19th century. And neo-Gothic architecture has been used many times since then. You can't really draw that sort of conclusion from the architecture, alone, especially since the Court's own age is so vague to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 12:04:54 GMT
According to Jones in Chapter 23, there was an Artilleryman present when the Court was founded; and you can see a Redcoat on this page. On the other hand, Jones states that we're looking at an »artistic representation« there. What's really got me wondering is that the primitive ruins in the foreground (stone walls!) don't match the style of Gothic architecture. Perhaps these structures grew from the Seed Bismuth as well, which has been shown to produce all kinds of art styles in the modern Court.
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Post by smjjames on Aug 26, 2013 6:37:54 GMT
I don't think it was ever said that the forest side razed the buildings, that seems like it would be a court side thing. Seems more likely that the forest would just let nature do its own thing, even if helped along by fairy magics, and let the ruins decay naturally. When Jeanne laments that the Court is felling all the trees, Diego responds "Yes. Just as those animals have razed the buildings on their side" Oh, I had forgotten about that particular bit. Maybe they only razed buildings that the court built and this ruin is older than the court itself? Or maybe they didn't so much raze to the ground than smash them apart. Maybe we will know with Mondays comic.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Aug 26, 2013 8:36:06 GMT
Looking at the architectural styles, I suspect that those buildings were well on their way to being ruins when the Court was founded. It's not clear when exactly the split happened or when the Court was officially founded, and from what origins it sprang (besides the Seed Bismuth, which has yet to be explained). The Annan Waters were there since long before the plot against Jeanne, and that was back when powdered wigs were still in style. Who knows how far back the feud goes. My suspicions is that it was always there on some level. Familiarity breeds contempt. Yes, but Sir Young and Diego and their contemporaries were present both at the founding of the Court and the plot against Jeanne, after the Annan was created. So those events happened within a single generation.
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Post by exdevlin on Aug 26, 2013 13:48:35 GMT
Rising uuup to the challenge of our rivals! (Thanks you guys, its stuck in my head. Now the only way to get it out is to blast it 2-3 times at top volume.) Not possible. You do realize that EVERY TIME karaoke has EVER BEEN DONE, this song is always performed. ALWAYS. And regardless of how badly it's done, it's always the song stuck in my head after the night is done.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 26, 2013 14:15:50 GMT
I'm not sure if he's used these exact words, but he has said that he started it originally as a way to practice drawing. And his old job was as an artist. Perhaps I may be wrong, but I at least have always thought of him as an artist first, and I've never seen anything to debunk this notion. I think you are correct, he is primarily an artist, but as someone who loves to write (and someone who couldn't draw if my life depended on it) I think he's done a smashing good job with plot arcs and pacing. GKC is a double whammy of good design, and that's why I love it. Rising uuup to the challenge of our rivals! (Thanks you guys, its stuck in my head. Now the only way to get it out is to blast it 2-3 times at top volume.) Not possible. You do realize that EVERY TIME karaoke has EVER BEEN DONE, this song is always performed. ALWAYS. And regardless of how badly it's done, it's always the song stuck in my head after the night is done. And whenever it comes on, suddenly all the shy guys and gals in the bar start feeling their liquor and want to sing their lungs out, it's heartwarming. I am convinced that Eye of the Tiger is a force for good in our generation.
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Post by warrl on Aug 26, 2013 20:50:26 GMT
I am convinced that Eye of the Tiger is a force for good in our generation. Try the rye or the kaiser, They're our special tonight. If you want, you can have an appetizer You might like our salami and the liver’s alright And they'd really go well with the rye or the kaiser -- W.A.Y.
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Post by kalechibki on Aug 26, 2013 22:07:28 GMT
So if Ysengrin says he would never intentionally hurt Annie, does that mean Coyote was controling him through the tree-body last time? Or just that he is lying to himself or Annie through not being able to remember. Well, Ysengrin has really no reason to assume that he would ever do so. After all, he has no memory of all the times that he's gone berserk, so he can't be even aware of his own motivations for doing so. Thus, as far as he knows, he would never intentionally harm someone he considers a friend. Also, it's not like he was exactly in his right mind even before Coyote's little mind surgery. So, here's my question since you threw the caveat that Ys wouldn't hurt a friend. Who was in control here - Coyote or Ys? Just all the more curious given that a few pages later Jones mentions that Ys seems on the brink of insanity, and that he has a new body. A new body through which Coyote has just drawn him closer by giving him OR tricked him into taking. It's especially curious because Ys doesn't seem insane at all, outside of first and the forest incident (when he became the wooden spider from hell). Kalechibki PS. Some of you might site this incident when Antimony saw the three sides of Ys when Ys got pissed off for a moment. I don't count that. He quickly regains composure. This is the mark, to me, of someone who lost control in a moment, but is generally in control of his emotions. I know I've had moments that bad with my wife when my guard is down and she catches me in my human frailty before. And Ys gets it under control quickly because he realizes that the moment is of Coyote's making. Though if you can make a good enough argument for why I should count this against Ys, I'll certainly change my opinion.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 27, 2013 5:17:32 GMT
I am convinced that Eye of the Tiger is a force for good in our generation. Try the rye or the kaiser, They're our special tonight. If you want, you can have an appetizer You might like our salami and the liver’s alright And they'd really go well with the rye or the kaiser -- W.A.Y.Rye is best-tier bread A+++ Would head bang again
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Post by snipertom on Aug 27, 2013 15:54:47 GMT
According to Jones in Chapter 23, there was an Artilleryman present when the Court was founded; and you can see a Redcoat on this page. On the other hand, Jones states that we're looking at an »artistic representation« there. What's really got me wondering is that the primitive ruins in the foreground (stone walls!) don't match the style of Gothic architecture. Perhaps these structures grew from the Seed Bismuth as well, which has been shown to produce all kinds of art styles in the modern Court. Interesting comparing with this: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=489(just retagged the page with Steadman, Sir Young etc!)
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