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Post by Max on Aug 21, 2013 7:00:57 GMT
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 21, 2013 7:04:27 GMT
So Ysengrin knows he forgets, but not that Coyote is the cause. Fraught times, incoming.
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Post by smjjames on Aug 21, 2013 7:07:31 GMT
So, Ysengrin knows something is going on, but doesn't know why.
The shudder seems more about the fact that his mind is blank rather than coyotes secret, but he was more on edge then, so I guess he is able to control himself better at this time.
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Post by feraldog on Aug 21, 2013 7:14:01 GMT
You know how in abusive relationships, the abuser belittles the victim to hide or downplay what's going on? Coyote's always calling Ysengrin stupid, pathetic, making fun of his abilities ("can't even make a little girl do what I want", etc), driving him crazy and setting him on people, and most recently replaced him as Medium with Annie. All the while Ysengrin accepts it out of loyalty... Will talking to Annie be Ysengrin's wake-up call? Or will he just bottle it up, like anything else that's happened in the past?
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 21, 2013 7:17:43 GMT
So, how about a betting pool on Annie forgiving him, versus just setting it aside to find out what the hell is going on?
I'm actually willing to bet that this will not change Annie's opinion of him that much; she still cares about him, and while she is frightened of him, it is fear mixed with worry for his...madness (?) This will probably just increase her concern.
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 21, 2013 7:34:17 GMT
Also, how horrific would it be to know that you were missing parts of your memory? Ysengrin is impressively calm, but I can't imagine that it's a pleasant thing to realize.
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Post by zimmyzims on Aug 21, 2013 8:36:07 GMT
You know how in abusive relationships, the abuser belittles the victim to hide or downplay what's going on? Coyote's always calling Ysengrin stupid, pathetic, making fun of his abilities ("can't even make a little girl do what I want", etc), driving him crazy and setting him on people, and most recently replaced him as Medium with Annie. All the while Ysengrin accepts it out of loyalty... Will talking to Annie be Ysengrin's wake-up call? Or will he just bottle it up, like anything else that's happened in the past? Yes. This was discussed extensively here when Coyote stole Y's souvenirs. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 21, 2013 9:38:21 GMT
So, how about a betting pool on Annie forgiving him, versus just setting it aside to find out what the hell is going on? I'm actually willing to bet that this will not change Annie's opinion of him that much; she still cares about him, and while she is frightened of him, it is fear mixed with worry for his...madness (?) This will probably just increase her concern. I thought it's obvious how Annie is going to react. She may not be the one a chickcharney would ask about lost marbles, but... |
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Post by King Mir on Aug 21, 2013 10:18:49 GMT
Annie was warned to suspect Coyote may be involved somehow, which may become the first time Yesgrins's encountered that possibility, if Annie brings it up.
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Post by Per on Aug 21, 2013 10:53:44 GMT
But the short list of likely suspects is likely pretty short.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Aug 21, 2013 11:39:02 GMT
Swiss cheese brain, one of Tom's best analogies.
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Post by goldenknots on Aug 21, 2013 12:25:32 GMT
I was hoping she'd get to the point right away. Her trust in Ysengrin was shaken by the attack, but I think she's going to keep her friendship with him. This may be the turning point in her relationship with Coyote, however.
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Post by Earin on Aug 21, 2013 12:41:30 GMT
Swiss cheese brain, one of Tom's best analogies. Not a Quantum Leap fan, then? |
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 21, 2013 13:25:48 GMT
Coyote might vaguely admit to the being the cause, if questioned. "Of course, I'm the case. Did I not give him his wonderful body and command over the forest itself? Such power comes with a price." I imagine Annie will forgive Ysengrin. Mental health is still health. Sometimes, it's completely out of our control. Though most people, with occasional arthritis flares, don't try to perform surgeries. Not having a safety for his "powers" would be a fair criticism. Still, poor Ysengrin. Swiss cheese brain, one of Tom's best analogies. Not a Quantum Leap fan, then? I'm imagining a holographic chihuahua, that only Ysengrin can see and hear. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 21, 2013 13:26:19 GMT
You know how in abusive relationships, the abuser belittles the victim to hide or downplay what's going on? Coyote's always calling Ysengrin stupid, pathetic, making fun of his abilities ("can't even make a little girl do what I want", etc), driving him crazy and setting him on people, and most recently replaced him as Medium with Annie. All the while Ysengrin accepts it out of loyalty... Will talking to Annie be Ysengrin's wake-up call? Or will he just bottle it up, like anything else that's happened in the past? Coyote seems to have some pretty serious self-esteem issues himself. |
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Post by djublonskopf on Aug 21, 2013 14:01:57 GMT
So, Ysengrin knows something is going on, but doesn't know why. But unfortunately, the most obvious possibility is "I'm old" or "I'm losing my mind" (it's what Jones seems to think) rather than "some intelligent being is stealing my memories" . . . so I doubt he'd even be suspicious from this "revelation". |
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Post by snipertom on Aug 21, 2013 14:21:58 GMT
You know how in abusive relationships, the abuser belittles the victim to hide or downplay what's going on? Coyote's always calling Ysengrin stupid, pathetic, making fun of his abilities ("can't even make a little girl do what I want", etc), driving him crazy and setting him on people, and most recently replaced him as Medium with Annie. All the while Ysengrin accepts it out of loyalty... Will talking to Annie be Ysengrin's wake-up call? Or will he just bottle it up, like anything else that's happened in the past? Coyote seems to have some pretty serious self-esteem issues himself. Dunno about that. Seems like a typical sociopath to me. Scary times for Annie. Does that mean she'll be drawn into the crazy Coyote games? Will she be stabbed by fear? |
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Post by cannister on Aug 21, 2013 15:19:23 GMT
It's like Alzheimers. That's no fun.
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Post by exdevlin on Aug 21, 2013 15:25:43 GMT
Well, we knew it had happened before, when Coyote said something along the lines of, "I will keep this for you, along with the others."
This abusive relationship theme going on between Coyote and Ys is kind of heartbreaking actually. I cannot wait for the inevitable confrontation between Annie and Coyote about what he's done. Perhaps another Fire Spike? I want to see what other memories he has plucked out from Ys' brain. Perhaps we'll get a pretty Tom-style montage. *flutter*
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Aug 21, 2013 15:40:20 GMT
I ship Ys X Coyote.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 21, 2013 16:13:54 GMT
Coyote seems to have some pretty serious self-esteem issues himself. Dunno about that. Seems like a typical sociopath to me. Definitely that as well, but I wonder if this is just DGAF, or whether he is actually insecure. (I am glad your search engine has "spankies" as a term, otherwise I would never have found the right page) |
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Post by philman on Aug 21, 2013 16:50:53 GMT
So if they confront Coyote, and he says "fine, have them back then" and just gives all of his 'bad' memories back in one go... how will Ysengrin react to getting a huge chunk of memories back, presumably not very nice ones as he freely admits they were bad things he'd done. To be honest that's a fairly good way to send him properly insane right there!
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Post by sidhekin on Aug 21, 2013 17:28:20 GMT
Dunno about that. Seems like a typical sociopath to me. Definitely that as well, but I wonder if this is just DGAF, or whether he is actually insecure. (I am glad your search engine has "spankies" as a term, otherwise I would never have found the right page) Oh, I thought you were referring to this. |
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Post by nero on Aug 21, 2013 18:02:16 GMT
It seems like Coyote gets upset if someone isn't on his side, or agrees with his actions. Maybe Coyote is hoping Ysengrin will lose control in a big way so then he can start a war with the Court, or purposely lose Ysengrin in a big way, like he let Renard go to the Court.
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 22, 2013 0:08:48 GMT
Coyote might vaguely admit to the being the cause, if questioned. "Of course, I'm the case. Did I not give him his wonderful body and command over the forest itself? Such power comes with a price." I imagine Annie will forgive Ysengrin. Mental health is still health. Sometimes, it's completely out of our control. Though most people, with occasional arthritis flares, don't try to perform surgeries. Not having a safety for his "powers" would be a fair criticism. Still, poor Ysengrin. On this note, I'm betting that this is actually the price of his powers; Coyote gave Ys this as a requirement when he first got the body, and he just can't remember the deal. Also, I wonder if it is actually preventing him from going insane? |
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Post by az4rel on Aug 22, 2013 1:24:59 GMT
there's always the posibility that Ys did something so bad he asked coyote to erase it. that would be interesting.
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Post by snipertom on Aug 22, 2013 8:21:05 GMT
Dunno about that. Seems like a typical sociopath to me. Definitely that as well, but I wonder if this is just DGAF, or whether he is actually insecure. (I am glad your search engine has "spankies" as a term, otherwise I would never have found the right page) I think he's just 'crying' to be manipulative! And kind of enjoys making Ysengrin feel awkward. He does, however, demonstrate more self-control than the typical sociopath. Perhaps a narcissist? He certainly LOVES hearing stories about himself... Poor Ys though  that page is like, the saddest thing D*: |
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Post by philman on Aug 22, 2013 14:41:23 GMT
there's always the posibility that Ys did something so bad he asked coyote to erase it. that would be interesting. I like that theory, I know Renard and Ysengrin were supposedly not around at the founding of the court, but if he doesn't remember... |
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Post by Maeniel on Aug 22, 2013 15:41:17 GMT
I don't know if this counts, but it seems an awful lot like gaslighting to me. |
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Post by Per on Aug 22, 2013 17:51:47 GMT
A particularly dastardly form of gaslighting is known as partyhatting. Someone will say they are suddenly wearing a party hat. You then tell them they were wearing it all along. The resulting cognitive dissonance is massive.
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that page is like, the saddest thing D*: