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Post by Lightice on Jun 24, 2013 11:40:33 GMT
But Coyote basically created the river to prevent a war, so I assumed that relations court/wood were always pretty tense. Coyote created the ravine, the river was already there, as I recall. But in any case, he did it long ago. Things could have mellowed between the two sides in the time that passed, in fact it seems very much like they did. I really love the more detailed art style of this flashback, by the way.
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Post by philman on Jun 24, 2013 12:18:56 GMT
But Coyote basically created the river to prevent a war, so I assumed that relations court/wood were always pretty tense. Coyote created the ravine, the river was already there, as I recall. But in any case, he did it long ago. Things could have mellowed between the two sides in the time that passed, in fact it seems very much like they did. Indeed, judging by the way this is going, coyote does seem to be engineering the increased tensions between the two sides. Manipulating Ysengrin to attack Annie and driving him insane by stealing his memories, tricking Renard into killing this guy (Did Coyote know that the court wanted to capture Renard? And why did they want to capture him anyway?). Wouldn't surprise me if Coyote created the ravine to keep the forest and court getting too friendly, keeping Jeanne and her lover apart for one thing.
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Post by Nnelg on Jun 24, 2013 13:11:02 GMT
I may have been totally wrong last chapter, but this time I can say I saw this coming a mile away!
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 24, 2013 13:48:19 GMT
Can he really trust his memories, though? Perhaps, Rey was unknowingly under Coyote's forceful influence, like Ysengrin. He may be able to think for himself now, but who knows what techniques Coyote used, to influence his decisions. Or with which memories he tampered... Was the guy ... the forest's medium? My thoughts exactly.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Jun 24, 2013 14:14:22 GMT
So, what I notice about this comic is that Coyote and Renard seems to have already hatched a plan to take the body of him specifically. Did they pick him because he was perfect for the plan or did they pick the plan in order to take him out? Or both...?
Also, by 'they', I mean Coyote, Renard wouldn't do something like that, now would he?
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Post by Lightice on Jun 24, 2013 14:26:38 GMT
Was the guy ... the forest's medium? My thoughts exactly. Where did that line of thinking come from? Ysengrin has always been the Forest Medium, before. It was completely unprecedented for the job to go to a human. Also, I don't see why Coyote would need to mind control Rey or anybody else. He's shown no interest in controlling anyone, he just wants to spread chaos. Even with Ysengrin he just keeps him from feeling guilt by removing inconvenient memories, not forcing him into any specific actions.
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Post by 0o0f on Jun 24, 2013 15:14:04 GMT
Hmm, can't recognize the guy myself, but I don't think we're supposed to either.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 24, 2013 15:18:11 GMT
'Sup Renard, need anything? A Coke? A back rub?
I NEED YOUR BODY
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Post by nero on Jun 24, 2013 16:08:56 GMT
How many people were allowed into the forest? If it was just Surma and Daniel then Renard is lucky that there was a guy around Surma's age. I wonder if this survey could have something to do with checking the population of the forest.
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 24, 2013 16:11:10 GMT
I find it surprising no one mentioned how he looks a lot like Jack minus the grey hair. I was thinking the exact same thing. This dude could be Jack's uncle or something.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Jun 24, 2013 16:21:29 GMT
Am I one of the few who thinks he doesn't look like anyone in particular.
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 24, 2013 16:23:17 GMT
Am I one of the few who thinks he doesn't look like anyone in particular. Yes. *shun*
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 24, 2013 17:35:31 GMT
Am I one of the few who thinks he doesn't look like anyone in particular. Yes. *shun*I don't know who he looks like, but those sideburns are begging to be grown into mutton chops.
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Post by mochakimono on Jun 24, 2013 18:08:13 GMT
So I'm sure this was discussed up and down back when Rey's powers were first revealed, but I must wonder what it feels like to BE possessed. Does it immediately shunt out your soul, alerting a psychopomp? Or does it cause you to become a ghost because your body still lives, so the 'pomps feel no need to escort you beyond yet? Or, do you remain inside, conscious and aware of what's happening but completely unable to control it? Can the host communicate in any way with Rey (via sharing thoughts, or empathic notions)? I sort of hope we get a peek at this, what really goes on when he takes a person.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 24, 2013 18:52:33 GMT
So I'm sure this was discussed up and down back when Rey's powers were first revealed, but I must wonder what it feels like to BE possessed. Does it immediately shunt out your soul, alerting a psychopomp? Or does it cause you to become a ghost because your body still lives, so the 'pomps feel no need to escort you beyond yet? Or, do you remain inside, conscious and aware of what's happening but completely unable to control it? Can the host communicate in any way with Rey (via sharing thoughts, or empathic notions)? I sort of hope we get a peek at this, what really goes on when he takes a person. I bet Tom could make another mind blowing one-panel-update on this theme.
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Post by keef on Jun 24, 2013 19:11:33 GMT
Am I one of the few who thinks he doesn't look like anyone in particular. A new character is like a newborn baby; everybody recognises someone in it until they find out it was adopted..
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Post by nidking on Jun 24, 2013 19:16:07 GMT
Wait, hold on... Coyote has swirly eyes in that next panel...
Here's my theory: Coyote can hypnotize. Reynard literally didn't have a choice.
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Post by Eisenblume on Jun 24, 2013 19:20:15 GMT
The dudes head looks a bit... off. Like it's being seen from several directions at once. I only note this because I usually think Tom has among the most consistently awesome drawings on the interwebz and, indeed, everything else on this page is superb...
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Post by Per on Jun 24, 2013 19:27:30 GMT
The spiral could also be meant to show the subjective power of Coyote's suggestion on Renard, with no supernatural shenanigans aside from his divine presence.
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Post by americonedream on Jun 24, 2013 20:07:47 GMT
No one said he was a student, seems far more likely he'd be a staff member. And I'd assume that relations between the court and the forest were much less tense back then than they are now. Surma was allowed to go to the forest with little supervision it seems like, and the killing of this guy, and capture of Renard hadn't happened yet to sour the relationship. But Coyote basically created the river to prevent a war, so I assumed that relations court/wood were always pretty tense. Me too, I think he was a grownup and not a student. Surma also was no more a student at the time. Yeah, he really is too old-looking to be a student. Not like old old just not young enough. Surma was the medium for the court, right? Maybe Daniel was medium for the forest which is why he knows Rey. Probably knew Surma too if that were the case, otherwise it'd be sort of random to possess Daniel out of nowhere if he has no connection to Surma.
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Post by stsasser on Jun 24, 2013 21:27:51 GMT
But Coyote basically created the river to prevent a war, so I assumed that relations court/wood were always pretty tense. Me too, I think he was a grownup and not a student. Surma also was no more a student at the time. Yeah, he really is too old-looking to be a student. Not like old old just not young enough. Surma was the medium for the court, right? Maybe Daniel was medium for the forest which is why he knows Rey. Probably knew Surma too if that were the case, otherwise it'd be sort of random to possess Daniel out of nowhere if he has no connection to Surma. 2 Questions: Was that Schiff's former home that Rey was visiting earlier? Perhaps he had a standing invitation to visit his buddy, Danny, hence the old scrapes and scratches on the door. What was Surma's maiden name?
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Post by louisxiv on Jun 24, 2013 21:47:35 GMT
Surma Stibnite
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Post by wanderer on Jun 25, 2013 0:33:52 GMT
Seriously not cool, Coyote.
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Post by Señor Goose on Jun 25, 2013 5:49:53 GMT
See before I had Coyote pegged as a Chaotic-Neutral type: Did whatever he wanted, as long as lulz could be had. Now I'm worried I'll have to move him to Chaotic-Evil for that.
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Post by snipertom on Jun 25, 2013 8:13:41 GMT
I've said it before but sometimes it bears repeating: Coyote is a hero or a goof in many myths but in others he is a satan-like figure, not only in tempting people to do bad and/or crazy stuff but in one myth actually redirecting the affection people had for the Great Spirit to himself. I have a medical book on psychopathy that summarises the current research. In the intro it talks about how sociopaths have been described by every culture, and "trickster gods" are a manifestation of that. Plus when you look at Tom's answers about Coyote, he basically describes a sociopath entirely. Low attention span, does things for shits and giggles, manipulative, can be nasty, when he's violent it's to achieve a goal (instrumental violence), no empathy etc etc.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 25, 2013 16:21:59 GMT
See before I had Coyote pegged as a Chaotic-Neutral type: Did whatever he wanted, as long as lulz could be had. Now I'm worried I'll have to move him to Chaotic-Evil for that. It does seem that way, doesn't it? Court seems more like a neutral or orderly evil throughout, although especially after the revelations on their "occult-murders-with-bow-and-arrow" shenanigans.
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 25, 2013 17:55:22 GMT
The eyes' differences are very disturbing, makes me wonder if young Daniel was hit over the head or something. I know a brain injury might cause asymmetric pupil sizes, not sure about differences between irises.
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Post by stef1987 on Jun 25, 2013 18:16:36 GMT
I find it surprising no one mentioned how he looks a lot like Jack minus the grey hair. Someone did, in the comments on the page (like, the very first comment): He looks a heckuva lot like Jack Hyland (Did Coyote know that the court wanted to capture Renard? And why did they want to capture him anyway?) this was explained by Anja, the court deemed him a threat, because Coyote wanted to give him his powers.
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Post by Steam Engine on Jun 25, 2013 18:41:45 GMT
How interesting. If the Court didn't trick Retard because it was afraid of him taking the power from Coyote, Retard wouldn't have taken any power from Coyote. Possibly. Nice.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 25, 2013 19:00:11 GMT
The eyes' differences are very disturbing, makes me wonder if young Daniel was hit over the head or something. I know a brain injury might cause asymmetric pupil sizes, not sure about differences between irises. That, or he's been railing mad lines of blow before conducting his forest census.
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