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Post by download on Jun 21, 2013 7:02:22 GMT
[1213]Not a happy story My slightly out of the blue theory about who Rey killed may be wrong. But on the other hand I generally assume Tom is screwing us around so I may still be right
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Post by Max on Jun 21, 2013 7:02:47 GMT
The man he kiled?
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Post by download on Jun 21, 2013 7:04:44 GMT
Maybe, but Coyote referred to the person Rey killed as "That man", as if it was obvious. Making me think it has to someone Annie knew |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 21, 2013 7:05:12 GMT
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Post by coolpilot on Jun 21, 2013 7:05:51 GMT
I would presume so. It'll be interesting to find out who he is (person-wise, that is). Also, what gloomy weather for such a gloomy trip. Makes me fell gloomy just looking at it. :C |
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Post by quoodle on Jun 21, 2013 7:09:47 GMT
Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large.
And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery?
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Post by Corvo on Jun 21, 2013 7:21:33 GMT
Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large. And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery? I also thought about that at first, but then realised the Court's been there for a long time, and who knows how old those tombstones are... |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 21, 2013 7:22:42 GMT
I... misread the title of this post as "Daniel Radcliffe" and silently cheered. Then I reread it.
But yes, does seem to be the man he killed. Perhaps he regrets it even more knowing that Surma never loved him.
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Post by download on Jun 21, 2013 7:23:01 GMT
Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large. And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery? Maybe the Court has fought wars? Might explain the fact it's deserted |
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Post by philman on Jun 21, 2013 7:49:35 GMT
Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large. And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery? Maybe the Court has fought wars? Might explain the fact it's deserted my first thought was maybe that's why it was founded, to escape a war. We don't know much else about the founding other than it was to escape the world of man. many of the graves may be fallen comrades of the founders. Anyway, danial shciff. wonder of we'll find out more about him on Mon |
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Post by philman on Jun 21, 2013 7:53:58 GMT
Or alternately, the similarity to ww1/ww2 graveyards can't be coincidence. the powers of the inhabitants of the court would have been very useful at the time...
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Post by Xan on Jun 21, 2013 8:00:27 GMT
Congrats to cleo who totally called it: There's nothing to indicate this is the case other than Tom might be planning to move some plot points along but I wonder if Reynard might just be off to visit the grave of the man he killed (or something along those lines). Or perhaps he's trying to track down Antony. Either way, I think we're going to be building on established ground. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 21, 2013 8:11:18 GMT
I see an incoming cart of gunnercookies, too. For the funeral feast and all that. Maybe, but Coyote referred to the person Rey killed as "That man", as if it was obvious. Making me think it has to someone Annie knew Yeah. It obviously was someone she knew before being born. (sigh) |
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Post by americonedream on Jun 21, 2013 8:22:52 GMT
Darker idea all y'all: The tombstones were all kids who died during Disaster's simulations.
Hahahahaha I kid, I kid.
But seriously it's all students. Students who couldn't keep their noses out of school business or couldn't keep their mouths shut. Think about it: it's an old as hell science school, lab accidents happen, pretty soon you've got a couple hundred thousand dead children. And the tombstones aren't fancy because it doesn't seem like they'd have outside visitors like parents. Eglamore never had his folks visit and the court is supposedly hard to find.
What might be interesting is the tombstones just seem plain but in actuality, they have little docks inside them you plug in to get information. But I'm erring on the side of scary scary blank cemetery.
I'm also of the mind that Rey didn't know his powers caused the death of whoever he possesses. We see him mourning over a rabbit on 496 but Coyote also said that Rey left the forest really soon after getting his new powers. I just don't see him purposefully taking a person's life even for Surma's sake if he knew ahead of time what the powers did. Unless Coyote lied and maybe told him "No it's cool, dude, it'll totally work on people." Coyote reveals later that he knew Rey got tricked. Ys was pretty pissed about that because he didn't know. Maybe Coyote has some sort of crazy evil plan going? Who knows. It just doesn't seem like even if he was blinded by love that he'd intentionally take a body he knew would die if he left it. Of course he knows about that power when we first met him but by then, he'd possessed Sivo. I think maybe him mourning the rabbit may have happened after killing the young man. Ahh, my theories are all over the place.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 21, 2013 8:29:27 GMT
Aw Schiff, we hardly knew ye. Or alternately, the similarity to ww1/ww2 graveyards can't be coincidence. the powers of the inhabitants of the court would have been very useful at the time... If they were soldier's graves from that era they would be marked with cross/star of david/star and crescent. Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large. And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery? Maybe the Court has fought wars? Might explain the fact it's deserted I agree it looks a little like the graves at Arlington, but only because it's lined up in a row, which is kind of typical of graveyards everywhere, civilian or otherwise. I have a hard time believing the Court stood on the sidelines of history, but at the same time I doubt their primary concern was sending residents off to combat. There are plenty of other factors that could have resulted in a vast, uninhabited sprawl. Look at all the overbuilding/property bubble in China. Economic forces alone caused that, and who knows what kind of massive experiments the Court is running with robotic manpower. |
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Post by philman on Jun 21, 2013 8:40:21 GMT
Re GK. graveyards in Europe tend to be a bit more ramshackle than that, with many of them there for 100s of years and tens of people buried on top of older graves as space becomes scarce. the only places I've seen such regimented rows of identical graves is military ones on the battlefields in France and Belgium.
Also the court is hardly religious, I can't see them going for Christian or Jewish iconography much.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 21, 2013 8:53:11 GMT
True, military cemeteries often have uniform headstones...  ...but it also shows up in civilian cemeteries as well...   ...which leads me to believe Tom probably wasn't trying to depict a military graveyard in particular, just a graveyard. Now, if this Schiff fellow had a rank and birth/death dates I would think differently. |
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Post by americonedream on Jun 21, 2013 8:53:19 GMT
Maybe they have laser cows maintaining the graveyards too. Or spooky graveyard bots.
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Post by Lightice on Jun 21, 2013 9:00:12 GMT
Maybe the Court has fought wars? Might explain the fact it's deserted I believe that the reason why it's relatively deserted is that it "grew out of the Seed Bismuth" and wasn't really made with human considerations in mind; rather than abandoned, it simply was never remotely fully inhabited. As for the graveyard, it takes surprisingly short time for those to fill up, even in a relatively small community, and the Court has been around for centuries. If they always dig a new grave for every deceased instead of recycling the old ones, like all normal cemetaries do, it can easily grow up to a massive size in that time, even if the Court has never had a population larger than a few thousand. And yes, it seems rpetty clear that this grave belongs to the man that Renard killed; I wonder if the house was his, too? This seems to have a formula of ritual penance... |
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Post by zombie on Jun 21, 2013 9:09:50 GMT
The pale colour of the headstones is very typical of Commonwealth War Graves Commission cemeteries. The Court seems to have seen it's conflict with the Woods as a war in the past, and it would appear to still view it in those terms.
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 21, 2013 9:43:24 GMT
Random irrelevant fact: "Schiff" is the german word for "ship". It is a relatively rare name in Germany. More common are variations like "Schiffer", Schiffner or Schiffmann (i.e. mariner, skipper). Interestingly, neither of those names is particularly more common in coastal regions.
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Post by Cleo on Jun 21, 2013 9:47:06 GMT
Congrats to cleo who totally called it: I'll be collecting my cookie now  I find it strange that there's no date on the gravestone. I'm wondering if those who die at the court are sent home and a memorial stone placed at the court. That might explain the uniformity of the stones and the lack of information. I've also got to say that I love the eerie perspective in the first panel, so atmospheric. Next week should be enlightening, I we'll learn about Renard and Daniel via Hetty questions/being nosy. I wouldn't mind a flashback either... |
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Post by Alexandragon on Jun 21, 2013 10:31:21 GMT
OH MY  I think so too. And, maybe he was Rey's friend or/and Rey can absorb memories of his victims. |
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Post by keef on Jun 21, 2013 10:39:04 GMT
I believe that the reason why it's relatively deserted is that it "grew out of the Seed Bismuth" and wasn't really made with human considerations in mind; rather than abandoned, it simply was never remotely fully inhabited.. That would explain a lot. It would also mean the court is still growing? We still know almost nothing about the court, or about those who rule it. Except that its a tiring job. |
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Post by todd on Jun 21, 2013 10:49:12 GMT
I find it strange that there's no date on the gravestone. Maybe Tom doesn't want to tie the comic to a specific set of years. |
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Post by download on Jun 21, 2013 10:58:03 GMT
Maybe they are all CourtTM brand headstones?
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Post by Cleo on Jun 21, 2013 11:07:53 GMT
I find it strange that there's no date on the gravestone. Maybe Tom doesn't want to tie the comic to a specific set of years. That's possible, but I would have expected squiggles or perhaps a close up. Not really that important anyway, I would have been curious to know his age or read something like "Taken from us far too young", that kind of thing. |
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Post by exdevlin on Jun 21, 2013 13:21:43 GMT
I think there's some weight behind the idea that the tombstones all belong to students. Why else would you be buried here, of all places? (Unless, of course, you were a faculty staff member who had given their life to the Court.......) Though it begs the question, why would this boy's parents want him buried at the Court? Did they not have anywhere else they wanted him? Was he an orphan that was picked up by Court staff?
I agree with everyone above that this is probably the boy he killed. It's probably the anniversary of the event for Renard to be dwelling on it so. I don't think having a date on the stone is that important.
Aside: I totally misread the last comic. I thought Hetty had said the last bubble, but I realized it was Renard with this strip.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 21, 2013 13:25:10 GMT
OH MY I think so too. And, maybe he was Rey's friend or/and Rey can absorb memories of his victims. Or he chose his "vessel " based on Surma's tastes. I've always imagined, that it must be someone she knew. He probably knew them, as well. I believe that the reason why it's relatively deserted is that it "grew out of the Seed Bismuth" and wasn't really made with human considerations in mind; rather than abandoned, it simply was never remotely fully inhabited.. That would explain a lot. It would also mean the court is still growing? We still know almost nothing about the court, or about those who rule it. Except that its a tiring job. We don't even know if the Seed Bismuth "grows" into this world. The majority of the Court may be in some kind of etherical pocket, but that belongs more in WildSpec than here. |
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Post by Nnelg on Jun 21, 2013 14:14:51 GMT
Most likely. Interesting that he is showing regrets, then. Doesn't that seem like a overly large graveyard for the court? After all, the place is hard to find, the city is virtually deserted, and the school is not extremely large. And why are the tombstones all the same size/shape like a military cemetery? I also thought about that at first, but then realised the Court's been there for a long time, and who knows how old those tombstones are... I'd have thought they'd need crypts/catacombs like old European cities, what with space at a premium and caskets ever piling up. Although, I seem to recall something about that sort of arrangement usually involving letting the bodies decay in a traditional, "temporary" graveyard for a few decades. With the Court's low population, I guess it isn't much of a factor. I have a hard time believing the Court stood on the sidelines of history, but at the same time I doubt their primary concern was sending residents off to combat. I'd have figured members of the Court would be much more useful in places like Bletchley Park than on the front line. Or, you know, countering the occult division which the Nazis obviously had in WWII...  |
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