|
Post by csj on Feb 14, 2013 4:42:19 GMT
Hell, this could be part of a larger scheme to turn Parley into a pseudo-neo-Jeanne. I can imagine them considering this for Annie. Nothing better than a part fire-elemental to really cut a burning swathe through anyone that ends up there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 5:05:47 GMT
I was talking about alienating Annie/Rey. I know. I was just giving cause as to why someone may be interested in such a thing. Perhaps, after all this ruckus she's caused, it would be nice just to get rid of her. They'd need to have good reason for that, though, without alienating many of their valuable staff (more than from this medium shindig). O'course. I do think it could be likely that the Headmaster is an evil mastermind and is just making a mistake/has even larger plans. But based on what we know so far...not as likely as some of the other stuff you've posited. I guess this is getting a little pedantic, jeeze. My bad.
|
|
|
Post by zimmyzims on Feb 14, 2013 8:56:09 GMT
Who ever said Evil has to be Mastermind-type? I can see a lot of plain Evil that is not Mastermind. He can do, what he is doing, by evil intentions as opposed to being merely rude. He can have evil plans on forest or Annie, or Smitty for that matter, and not just being bluntly rude about rather nonchalant and disinterested choices. That's what I meant by "Mastermind": having plans for people. And if his intentions are evil, his methodology is insane. Alienating people who can hurt you later is rarely a good idea. Generally, mastermind means mastering plans, not having them. It refers to intelligence, not to malice. Evil is not defined by intelligence, in fact many remarkable thinkers have defined it by lack of intelligence. Nor does intelligence necessarily refer to the search of one's own profit, meaning that a mastermind even might in fact have plans in which he gets hurt himself. You completely mistake search for profit for evil. The headmaster might not care about how can Renard hurt him - if Renard even can, because you precisely do not know how powerful is Headmaster's position, while at least others here are aware of him holding some serious power. In fact, he has never shown any aim at having Renard on his side, quite the contrary. In fact, you might not have noticed, but evil plans imply, by definition of being evil, to some extent alienating some parties that might hurt you, starting from those against whom you are planning. Meanwhile, he may be intentionally wanting to hurt Annie/Smitty/Coyote or whoever. And that intention is more common and much better definition of evil than "search for one's own profit". Now, this is all that this is about: you said he is not evil, as opposed to be just rude. Being rude but not evil means that he just is careless about the execution of his otherwise neutral or even charitable deeds. But it is not at all out of counts that he has evil means here, that he actually aims to hurt somebody. In fact, that seems extremely likely. À propos, you are being a bit silly with your allegory: we know that there is a lot behind the headmaster that we do not know. We have been made aware of that the Court runs big and potentially malicious plans, probably aiming to a larger dominance, the precise nature of which we are left unaware of. The headmaster plays some role in that, at least he knows about it and is the mouth of the court, be it a mouth that speaks seldom and rudely. You use an anti-discursive strategy of claiming that at any point we could say anything without caring about the integrity of a sensible discourse. But a discourse works as a whole and the headmaster has a completely different position, and a completely different disposition, than Red. While it is entirely possible that Red would have some secret plans, with the headmaster we know that there are things going on that we are only hinted about. Or if you did not know that yet, then all the worse to you, since there has been quite a lot of talk about Court's ruses.
|
|
|
Post by zimmyzims on Feb 14, 2013 9:04:38 GMT
We can make inferences and say that that's unlikely given the events we've been shown, but anything's possible, especially in the zany, wacky world of speculation. Right; which is why something merely being possible isn't valid evidence to support it. Which is precisely the point: with Red, you posit something merely distantly possible, with the headmaster we posit something extremely likely. It is quite doubtless that that the headmaster has plan(s) and power(s) of which the nature is not yet revealed to us, and your judgement that his acts are merely stupid is a judgement made from a position of ignorance, as you judge the way he executes his plan without knowing what it is.
|
|
|
Post by Nnelg on Feb 14, 2013 15:06:16 GMT
Generally, mastermind means mastering plans, not having them. I told you what I meant... It appears we have an irreconcilable difference in the definition of several key terms, such as "evil". I was referring to the truly insidious and vile evil, and not evil in general nor any lesser form of it. The kind of evil that it would take to repeat a clear and unambiguous atrocity without even the flimsiest excuse as to why it is necessary, and yet keep itself hidden from scrutiny. This sort of evil does imply at least a decent amount of intelligence, for if it was not it would have been scourged long ago. Even more so in this case, because it implies the Headmaster either has a plan far greater than we know, or sees ill deeds themselves as his goals; the former requires intelligence to create, the latter to avoid being caught. This is not the sort of evil that is plausible: the petty meanness of a playground bully or forum troll. That is the sort of evil that the Headmaster could be. But the evil I speak of is not that evil, it's not even close. It is on par with Hannibal Lecter and Adolf Hitler; this is the true Evil which I think the Headmaster is incapable of.
|
|
|
Post by Eversist on Feb 14, 2013 16:25:16 GMT
He did. Second panel of the last update. It's the first time I can remember ever seeing him caught completely off-guard. He appears to have legitimately not anticipated this development. Come now, do you think I missed that? I want more than a reaction face. I know right! I wanna know how this affects their "no humans in Gillitie" rule anyway, since Surma and Annie weren't exactly human. And will Parley be allowed into the woods themselves? After all, Jimmy wasn't. C'mon Coyote, time to steal the spotlight. Do it, do it, do it. Or Ys could express some sort of anger/distaste; that would be cool.
|
|
|
Post by 0o0f on Feb 14, 2013 18:48:09 GMT
Count me in as someone who things Coyote's surprise is an act, but I can't say anything for sure before we see more than what we did last update. So I'm curious what more he has to say about this. Even more so what Ysengrin thinks, though.
|
|
|
Post by Bandersnatch on Feb 15, 2013 5:10:37 GMT
Shh Annie, no tears.
Only dreams now.
|
|
|
Post by GK Sierra on Feb 15, 2013 7:11:48 GMT
Shh Annie, no tears. Only dreams now. It's too late, Annie let him rustle her jimmies. There's no going back.
|
|
|
Post by cu on Feb 15, 2013 7:19:59 GMT
It's too late, Annie let him rustle her jimmies. There's no going back. Must... control... fire glands...
|
|
tpman
Full Member
Posts: 161
|
Post by tpman on Feb 17, 2013 2:15:02 GMT
Wait, so was Eglamore Surma's "protector" previously? I can't help but notice this is a subtle way of introducing military force into the force... especially one that might have Coyote's tooth! I don't think we have any indication that there's a regular position for protector of the medium, not even an unofficial one. I assume that mediums fall under some sort of diplomatic protection and don't need bodyguards. Parley's job protecting Smitface is just an assignment the Headmaster invented to keep the dynamic duo together. Mentioning the Protector of the Court position was just dangling a carrot for Parley.
|
|
|
Post by Nnelg on Feb 17, 2013 3:38:05 GMT
I don't think we have any indication that there's a regular position for protector of the medium, not even an unofficial one. Well, it's certainly a job that exists and has to be done, even if it isn't part of anyone's official responsibilities. And there's no reason the Headmaster can't make up a position ad-hoc to do it. That's what authority's for, after all. (When it's not being misused, at least...)
|
|
|
Post by warrl on Feb 20, 2013 21:15:34 GMT
I don't think we have any indication that there's a regular position for protector of the medium, not even an unofficial one. I assume that mediums fall under some sort of diplomatic protection and don't need bodyguards. Every time Annie has *formally* gone to the forest as medium-in-training, Eglamore has very-formally gone with her in full Dragonslayer regalia. As her protector. Now there's been discussion of training George to take over that part of Eggy's job. To me, that's a pretty strong set of indications that while it isn't a complete position, it's a regular and clearly-defined duty. Most likely it is usually part of the overall job of the Court's Protector, which is currently Eglamore; but assigning it to a student who is shaping up as a likely candidate for the next Protector seems quite plausible.
|
|