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Post by goldenknots on Dec 15, 2012 20:49:37 GMT
It doesn't make too much sense in the story for "13" to be the sequence number, though. Show some sort of rationale, rather than just asserting that, please. I see nothing at all extraordinary for low serial numbers to continue to exist over a longish period of time. S13 was in pieces when Antimony found him, after all. Do you have any idea how long he was a basket case? Other than wishful thinking, what's your reasoning here?
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Post by Corvo on Dec 15, 2012 21:14:18 GMT
You're reading "model" into the "13", but it is a sequence number. The model is "Seraph". S13 is an individual Seraph model. Well, look at that! I really can't find any confirmation that S13 means "model S13". Maybe you're right after all. I still find strange that what you call "Seraph model" can have a design that ranges from S1 to S13, but maybe that's just because they " changed to simpler designs", who knows. Also, everything Nnelg said. But I'll stay in middle ground, just to be safe. ;D
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 16, 2012 4:09:03 GMT
S13 was in pieces when Antimony found him, after all. Do you have any idea how long he was a basket case? Of course, I could be wrong. Robot may have been sitting on the shelf for a long time, and/or the robots may have made fewer S-models than others. Other than wishful thinking, what's your reasoning here? Well, that room was packed full of modern robots, right? But it was practically empty when only the original golems were there. So we know that modern robots outnumber the originals at least ~10:1-20:1. That number gets even greater when you account for those robots which weren't able to make it in. And multiply that by the number of robotic "Generations" there have been since the first modern robots were created. (This would be at least two, if none of the current robots were around at the same time as the golems.) So, can you see how I'd expect the sequence number on your average robot to be in the 50-200 range?
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Post by goldenknots on Dec 16, 2012 4:23:43 GMT
So, can you see how I'd expect the sequence number on your average robot to be in the 50-200 range? The Seraph line existed from 1 to some unknown number. I still don't see why it's such a stretch to have a number 13. Could you please explain your reason for doubt? I just don't understand.
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Post by Trism on Dec 16, 2012 13:08:17 GMT
I'm glad a title card was able to produce so much conversation, thank you obsessive people of the Internet.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 16, 2012 13:54:36 GMT
So, can you see how I'd expect the sequence number on your average robot to be in the 50-200 range? The Seraph line existed from 1 to some unknown number. I still don't see why it's such a stretch to have a number 13. Could you please explain your reason for doubt? I just don't understand. Because the lower number robots would have been the first to be destroyed over the years. If there were 20 S-models built, but they've had to replace each one twice, then all the modern S-models would be in the 41-60 range, not the 1-60 range.
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Post by goldenknots on Dec 16, 2012 17:16:18 GMT
The Seraph line existed from 1 to some unknown number. I still don't see why it's such a stretch to have a number 13. Could you please explain your reason for doubt? I just don't understand. Because the lower number robots would have been the first to be destroyed over the years. If there were 20 S-models built, but they've had to replace each one twice, then all the modern S-models would be in the 41-60 range, not the 1-60 range. And S13 was destroyed. He was in a box, remember? Also, what persuades you that there were that many more of them? Serious question, here. Show me a link to the comic page that inspires that idea, please.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 16, 2012 20:34:38 GMT
The Seraph line existed from 1 to some unknown number. I still don't see why it's such a stretch to have a number 13. Could you please explain your reason for doubt? I just don't understand. Because the lower number robots would have been the first to be destroyed over the years. If there were 20 S-models built, but they've had to replace each one twice, then all the modern S-models would be in the 41-60 range, not the 1-60 range. Or it could be completely random. The army doesn't pay much heed to continuity when they create their M-designations. The only real life people I've ever seen who follow their own chronological numbering scheme are software architects and certain aerospace companies. For the rest, number has to heel to only two criterion: 1) Is it free? 2) Does it have a ring to it?
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 17, 2012 3:58:46 GMT
Also, what persuades you that there were that many more of them? Serious question, here. Show me a link to the comic page that inspires that idea, please. Here. A room that was all but empty when occupied by only the original models was filled to the brim with modern robots. Or it could be completely random. The army doesn't pay much heed to continuity when they create their M-designations. Oh, yes they do. It's just that most people don't pay enough attention to realize that the M4 Medium Tank is part of an entirely different series from the M1 Main Battle Tank. The only real life people I've ever seen who follow their own chronological numbering scheme are software architects and certain aerospace companies. Emphasis mine.
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Post by goldenknots on Dec 17, 2012 4:39:53 GMT
Also, what persuades you that there were that many more of them? Serious question, here. Show me a link to the comic page that inspires that idea, please. Here. A room that was all but empty when occupied by only the original models was filled to the brim with modern robots. I'm not seeing any Seraph models in that page. Antimony got the box of parts (Spare 13) from a room at the library, anyway, not down in the workshop where they found S1 and Jeane's tomb. The only Seraphs I recall seeing are the two that Antimony saw, and S1. Please note that the latter page makes a very strong case for S1 and S13 to be different individuals, both of the Seraph line.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 17, 2012 5:21:41 GMT
Well, that picture clearly shows that modern robots far outnumber their ancient cousins. So, the average model should have a sequence number well over 20. (I've gone over this before.) And yes, I know there are reasons why Robot could be an exception. I acknowledged them in my original post: Of course, I could be wrong. Robot may have been sitting on the shelf for a long time, and/or the robots may have made fewer S-models than others.
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Post by warrl on Dec 22, 2012 5:35:30 GMT
They also may have realized that it's awkward for humans to differentiate between G485734259 and G485734319, and that the numbers in their individual designators don't have to mean anything - thus, when a robot has been destroyed and its designator out of use for a while, it can be re-used.
In other words, maybe S13 is the 4th or 5th distinct individual robot to be designated S13.
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