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Post by Eversist on Dec 4, 2012 10:49:44 GMT
Kinda off topic, but do you guys think the wallpaper is canon? Can Mort leave his area of the school he haunts? Is this inside one of those controlled-climate chambers or outside?
Or is this a wallpaper, so rules don't apply? c:
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Post by fish on Dec 4, 2012 11:08:57 GMT
I like to think it's outside, maybe in Sir Youngs Park. You can see the Court-skyline in the background. But I had the same question about Mort, we've never seen him in any other place than around the room he's haunting. Except for this other winter picture; maybe he's allowed to leave on christmas? Haha, no, I think this is just wallpaper-logic.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 4, 2012 13:42:55 GMT
I guess this may be a matter of personal interpretation, but I really see "fortifying their defenses" not as any sort of preparation for battle against Coyote, but as a way to help protect their students since the forest-folk have a bit of a history when it comes to breaking stuff, invading, and harming people. The closest thing to an act of aggression from the Court is whatever they did to Jeanne and her lover, and even that was motivated by the lack of defense from the forest. What does the Court's aggression (or lack thereof) have to do with it? The point is the Court is by no means unprepared for any overt aggression on Coyote's part. The two most powerful things we've seen Coyote do, he's done at the seat of his power (the Forest) and with no one around to oppose him but Annie. There might not even be enough "free ether energy" (if that's even a thing) inside the Court for Coyote to pull anything like that off, and even if there is the Court would be opposing him in every way possible. We don't know the full extent the Court's defenses, but it seems highly unlikely that they'd rely only on Jeanne. And there's plenty of research/industrial equipment that could be re-purposed, too... Let's see if Coyote has enough power to stop time once the Power Station drains the Ether from the surrounding area.
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Post by Lightice on Dec 4, 2012 23:16:33 GMT
We don't know the full extent the Court's defenses, but it seems highly unlikely that they'd rely only on Jeanne. And there's plenty of research/industrial equipment that could be re-purposed, too... Let's see if Coyote has enough power to stop time once the Power Station drains the Ether from the surrounding area. I find it highly unlikely that any amount of Ether drainage could stop a massive piece of land plucked from the ground and flicked over the Annan Waters by Coyote if he actually had destructive intentions towards the Court. He can pluck the Moon out of the sky and cause massive geological changes to it on a whim. Controlling a city-sized piece of earth should be a minor feat for him. But violence or hostility in political sense is simply not in character for Coyote. People still don't get that Coyote is not a villain. He may be an antagonist and foil in parts of the story, but I really can't imagine that he would be after simple gain for himself or loss for the Court. He thrives in chaos and uncertainity, and his most likely action is always to challenge expectations, either of himself or the Court.
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Post by todd on Dec 4, 2012 23:25:13 GMT
I don't think Coyote wants to destroy the Court either - that would end the "game" and leave him with a lot less opportunity for entertainment.
(As I've mentioned before, I think that was one reason why he made the chasm - by separating the Court and the Wood, he makes it harder for them to get into an all-out battle that could annihilate them both, while at the same time, encouraging enough of an "us vs. them" mentality to ensure the kind of suspicion and dislike for each other that he can play upon to produce results that he finds amusing.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 23:36:29 GMT
What does the Court's aggression (or lack thereof) have to do with it? The point is the Court is by no means unprepared for any overt aggression on Coyote's part. Oh, forgive my misunderstanding, then. I thought you were trying to pitch a Court vs Coyote battle coming in the future. However, I'd still argue that there is no way that the Court could ever possibly be prepared to deal with overt aggression from Coyote (which I don't think will ever be a thing) short of a hyper-powered localized ether extraction device that both exists and can be activated outside the boundaries of time - assuming that anyone would be able to activate it after Coyote's first move. How do you figure the forest is "the seat of his power?" He's very far removed from his home in Central/North America. Just because Coyote's taken up ruling the forest for shiggles doesn't mean he's been granted any additional power. I'd also argue that the fourth most powerful thing we've seen done with Coyote's power is the cutting of ALL THE THINGS in the Court with his tooth, which he broke off of his body and gave to Antimony.
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Post by jasaebushae on Dec 5, 2012 0:34:43 GMT
Im gonna toss in my own theory that Coyote is just doing it because he is curious what would happen and that everyone (jones included) are reading to much into it thus making it the greatest trick of all since their inventing it for him due to Coyotes reputation.
Though I kinda have to wonder how anyone could prove or disprove Coyotes theory given that by his logic it would all have to be occurring preemptively via time travel...Also, by that logic it would also mean psysics and planets and such are also the same trick
oh and just to toss my hat into the coyote vs court ring, i think that logic only works if you assume that coyote would announce he was going to fight or that he would be taking the front door. ^^; I mean, given his whole trickster mythos, the ability to shapeshift and such, he could probably walk right up to the man in charge without anybody the wiser ^^; Though given that coyote is random as heck...i wouldnt necesarily say that he would never take the front door
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 5, 2012 0:50:27 GMT
Just for the record, I don't disagree the biggest reason Coyote isn't going to attack the Court (yet) is because he has no/little interest in destroying it. I'm only arguing that the Court wouldn't be a pushover for him. I find it highly unlikely that any amount of Ether drainage could stop a massive piece of land plucked from the ground and flicked over the Annan Waters by Coyote if he actually had destructive intentions towards the Court. No, but a repulsion field generator would. Or any other sort of active defensive screen. It's not unfeasible that the entire Court has some sort of protective shield... We know the Court has access to shielding tech. It'd only be a matter of scaling it. He can pluck the Moon out of the sky and cause massive geological changes to it on a whim. Controlling a city-sized piece of earth should be a minor feat for him. It depends on which piece of Earth it is... There wasn't a Gunnerkrigg Court on the Moon, after all. However, I'd still argue that there is no way that the Court could ever possibly be prepared to deal with overt aggression from Coyote (which I don't think will ever be a thing) short of a hyper-powered localized ether extraction device that both exists and can be activated outside the boundaries of time - assuming that anyone would be able to activate it after Coyote's first move. There's more than one way to solve a problem. In this case, a passive prevention system would work better than active suppression. It could be specifically targeted, or a blanket suppression of Ethereal abilities. For instance, keeping the Ether around the Court constantly drained of most of its energy could prevent any earth-shattering due to lack of power. Less-than-earth-shattering abilities, not requiring enormous amounts of energy, would not be significantly affected. And it would be simple to accomplish with known Court technologies. How do you figure the forest is "the seat of his power?" You know what I mean. Regardless of where the "true" "seat of his power" resides, the forest is undeniably a nexus of Ether energy. I'd also argue that the fourth most powerful thing we've seen done with Coyote's power is the cutting of ALL THE THINGS in the Court with his tooth, which he broke off of his body and gave to Antimony. So far, we've seen it cut an iron girder, a ball bearing, stone tiles, and Robot. But not Shadow. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Eglamore's suit of armor was made from Orichalcum or something. In fact, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't. It's also likely one of his many swords has similar cutting power (he hasn't had a chance to use them all yet). People still don't get that Coyote is not a villain. Still? Two chapters ago, you'd have a hard time arguing that he was one! oh and just to toss my hat into the coyote vs court ring, i think that logic only works if you assume that coyote would announce he was going to fight or that he would be taking the front door. ^^; I mean, given his whole trickster mythos, the ability to shapeshift and such, he could probably walk right up to the man in charge without anybody the wiser ^^; He'd be like a torch in a dark cellar to anyone with ethervison, and I don't think he'd be able to hide that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 1:38:08 GMT
I really think you're underestimating Coyote's power or overestimating what the court can do based on what we've seen, but I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, for now. All just fun and speculation and interpretation. You know what I mean. Regardless of where the "true" "seat of his power" resides, the forest is undeniably a nexus of Ether energy. I don't, actually. I was under the impression that the entire world is a nexus of Ether energy, and while the forest has a high presence of ether-sensitive beings, I'm not sure if that makes it have a higher concentration of Etheric energy than any other place on earth. I mean, the court sucks up (what appears to be) quite a large amount of ether out of water from an artificial lake constructed within Gunnerkrigg. Personally, I think the tooth has a limiter that keeps it from cutting living things, but that's pretty-much wild speculation. Eglamore's humming sword does pose some similarity to the tooth in appearance, however. I'd be very curious to learn more about that, if there is any more to learn. His armor, too, for that matter. He says it's a formality, but I bet it's got some special quirks...
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 5, 2012 1:48:47 GMT
I really think you're underestimating Coyote's power or overestimating what the court can do based on what we've seen, but I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, for now. All just fun and speculation and interpretation. Agreed; I'd say that you're doing the opposite. Maybe we should approach this from the other way around? As in, how easily could the Court destroy the Forest if it wanted to? ;D You know what I mean. Regardless of where the "true" "seat of his power" resides, the forest is undeniably a nexus of Ether energy. I don't, actually. I was under the impression that the entire world is a nexus of Ether energy, and while the forest has a high presence of ether-sensitive beings, I'm not sure if that makes it have a higher concentration of Etheric energy than any other place on earth. I mean, the court sucks up (what appears to be) quite a large amount of ether out of water from a rainstorm within the concrete jungle of the buildings that make up Gunnerkrigg. Well, actually I think the Power Station is outside of the Court proper, but that's besides the point. But I would have thought that it was pretty clear that if any part of the world was more etherically charged than the rest, it would be Gillitie Forest.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 5, 2012 1:58:03 GMT
Maybe we should approach this from the other way around? As in, how easily could the Court destroy the Forest if it wanted to? ;D I'm going to start the speculation now. Well, for one there's always nukes. I have no idea how big the Forest is, but a half-dozen of them delivered by Donnie-Rockets from low Earth orbit would vaporize a sizable chunk of it in an instant. And set the rest of it on fire. And irradiate the ashes. (It's the only way to be sure.) ... Okay, I think that's enough. And I didn't even get to the wild supercharged ether-weapon concepts. Anyways, perhaps the reason Coyote hasn't attacked isn't because he wouldn't be able to destroy the Court, but because he wouldn't be able to avoid an M.A.D. scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 2:01:24 GMT
But I would have thought that it was pretty clear that if any part of the world was more etherically charged than the rest, it would be Gillitie Forest. I dunno. I mean, we don't really get any ether-vision for anywhere that isn't inside the forest or somewhere in the whole city-like area that the Court owns. Ether could be naturally occurring everywhere on earth pretty consistently (if it's present in all water, then this seems possible), or it could be more concentrated in areas where there are more beings that manipulate it in some way or another. Or less, even. Anyways, perhaps the reason Coyote hasn't attacked isn't because he wouldn't be able to destroy the Court, but because he wouldn't be able to avoid an M.A.D. scenario. This is actually interesting, and could help explain why no other etheric beings less benign/infatuated with humans have tried to fight them. Apart from coyote's theory potentially being correct and destroying the shaping force for their world, a war of Etherics Vs Humans would end well for absolutely nobody.
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