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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 3, 2012 8:01:46 GMT
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 3, 2012 8:15:03 GMT
Coyote: Zack Morris of the Ether.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 8:42:38 GMT
Oh, this page suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Man's endeavour to become god, at least in Coyote's opinion.
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Post by Søren on Dec 3, 2012 8:57:40 GMT
Either all humans have a consensus hallucination or Coyote truly is strong enough to pluck the moon from the sky in an instant. (You'd think some apoplectic star-gazer would notice, though...)
I don't know which would be more frightening.
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Post by vhu9644 on Dec 3, 2012 9:19:54 GMT
do you guys think maybe coyote has a motive beyond swaying Annie's view of the court? i mean, if he got Annie to ask Jones, he probably knows Jones may tell Annie coyote might be trying to sway her opinion, so why would coyote ask Annie to consult with Jones?
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Post by maximkat on Dec 3, 2012 9:43:17 GMT
So he wants Annie to mistrust both the Court and the Forest... Hmmm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 10:39:29 GMT
Either all humans have a consensus hallucination or Coyote truly is strong enough to pluck the moon from the sky in an instant. (You'd think some apoplectic star-gazer would notice, though...) I don't know which would be more frightening. He could have stopped time when he snagged the moon. Hell, if we wanna get really trippy, he could have locally stopped time at the moon so it looked the same, and then set time back in motion after Annie poked it and he sent the moon back.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Dec 3, 2012 11:00:28 GMT
Speaking of old Tree Bark.
I'm still upset about that. Holy shit. Someone contact the Exalted universe and say we have a fairfolk that needs slaying.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 3, 2012 11:42:09 GMT
Why you are so mean to Red?
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 3, 2012 12:17:19 GMT
Oh, this page suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Man's endeavour to become god, at least in Coyote's opinion. I wonder if Annie feels some relief over things finally starting to make sense, even if she's also feeling alarmed. Aww, I like Annie's sad face in the last panel. I wonder what she's thinking. It might be pretty obvious, but...
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Post by download on Dec 3, 2012 12:30:26 GMT
I think Coyote will quickly become the least liked character in the comic. I think he has some pretty evil motives behind his doings
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 3, 2012 13:03:44 GMT
I think Coyote will quickly become the least liked character in the comic. I think he has some pretty evil motives behind his doings He is my favorite though. And him being evil (feels like the wrong word, but oh well) wouldn't be surprising.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 3, 2012 13:50:06 GMT
Oh, this page suddenly makes a lot more sense now. Be careful with that. The best half-truths are the ones which explain a lot of things in a wrong way, and trick the hearer into jumping into false conclusions. Coyote might not have said the Court's experiments were less-than-benign (if misguided) because that would have been a lie. Instead, he's tricking Annie into lying to herself.
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Post by Lightice on Dec 3, 2012 16:05:41 GMT
I think Coyote will quickly become the least liked character in the comic. I think he has some pretty evil motives behind his doings I continue to doubt that Coyote has any more sinister or unified motivations behind his actions than "this is fun!" In the manner of all trickster deities, he is incredibly wise and incredibly childish at the same time. It's been pretty much established that if Coyote wanted to harm the Court or any other place on Earth, he could squash it effortlessly, but that's just not the way he rolls. He's just out to make things a bit more unpredictable and uncontrollable.
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Post by neurokeen on Dec 3, 2012 17:23:35 GMT
I'm glad to see Annie's at least asking the right questions now. "Why does Coyote want me to know this?" should follow everything that he says. It's a very important question to have at all times when dealing with a trickster, especially one who is dangerous precisely because he doesn't outright lie.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 3, 2012 17:58:43 GMT
It's been pretty much established that if Coyote wanted to harm the Court or any other place on Earth, he could squash it effortlessly Oh, don't be so sure... There are students at the Court who launch satellites into space using spacetime-warping rockets as a hobby. I think it's safe to say that the Court is more than just an ant compared to Coyote. (Still, who'd come out on top remains to be seen. It could be that Coyote just wants to avoid making a huge mess, so he's using subterfuge instead of blatant aggression.)
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Post by Doomrider on Dec 3, 2012 18:04:13 GMT
Making me a nice fur hat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 19:05:18 GMT
Coyote coule easily pull a Majora's Mask on the court and squash them all with the moon with little effort. While TIME IS STOPPED. I'm pretty dang sure that the court ain't got nuffin' on that, unless they're a hell of a lot closer to manipulating the ether to godlike capabilities than we think. What remains to be seen is if he's bound by man's beliefs that he won't harm the court.
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Post by hargharg on Dec 3, 2012 21:48:56 GMT
So he wants Annie to mistrust both the Court and the Forest... Hmmm Maybe Coyote thinks Annie has the potential (and most likely her mother did just as much) to be a "power" on her own? You know, every game is more fun the more people play it.
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Post by vhu9644 on Dec 3, 2012 22:31:48 GMT
i think coyote wants to know what the seed of bismuth is reynardine stated that they came after the seed was planted and from what i've heard, coyote only really controls the ether (and manipulated the real world with it)
but this see of bismuth pretty much transcends that. It had the power to manipulate both the ether and real world (at least thats what it seems to me atm)
and besides, if you are bored with your toys, obviously you want new toys and what new toy is better than both the etheric world and the real world?
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Post by aaroncampbell on Dec 3, 2012 22:49:13 GMT
So he wants Annie to mistrust both the Court and the Forest... Hmmm Maybe Coyote thinks Annie has the potential (and most likely her mother did just as much) to be a "power" on her own? You know, every game is more fun the more people play it. This is the impression I've been getting as well. I'm sure this all belongs in the Wild Speculation thread, but here's what has been percolating in the back of my mind for awhile now: Coyote sees the Court's efforts to combine man and ether into a godlike-being as a danger, an upset of the...truce? standoff?...that has existed since the Forest and Court split apart way back in the day. So perhaps he figures that since they are trying their hand at combining the two worlds using science, he might try a slightly different approach using Annie, who thanks to her heritage is already well on her way? One thought that just occurred to me, though: while Annie might be Coyote's best choice in such an effort, the whole idea could make for a very dark story line. I just had a terrible mental image of a showdown between Annie and Anja. I don't know why my mind picked Anja, except that she seems the best example in the Court's world of combining science and etherics. I very much enjoy her as a character (along with Donald, of course,) but the idea of her as a battle leader, forced to protect her family and friends with all of her natural abilities and technical prowess -- that is both a saddening and a truly terrifying sight.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 3, 2012 23:35:37 GMT
Coyote coule easily pull a Majora's Mask on the court and squash them all with the moon with little effort. While TIME IS STOPPED. I'm pretty dang sure that the court ain't got nuffin' on that, unless they're a hell of a lot closer to manipulating the ether to godlike capabilities than we think. All that energy from the Power Station has to be going somewhere... Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Court has an active suppression system to prevent Coyote's time-stops. And a repulsion field generator that would repel anything Coyote could (literally) throw at it. They might even a laser that could vaporize the moon in one shot.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 3, 2012 23:38:24 GMT
All that energy from the Power Station has to be going somewhere... That makes me think of something... Which is more powerful? Coyote... Or Zimmy?It scares me to say it, but I'd actually put my money on Zeta.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 1:18:09 GMT
They might even a laser that could vaporize the moon in one shot. I'm just going off of the information we've been presented in the comic, and there seems to be little to suggest anything like this is the case, thus far. For all we know the massive array of stations just feeds into a supercomputer that runs diagnostics and tests. They could be on their way to "becoming god" through purely peaceful and scientific means. We've never seen the Court attack the forest once even a little bit (while the forest has been more than offensive in the past). Every big thing we've been shown of what the court does is either in the pursuit of knowledge or for fortifying their defenses against the frighteningly powerful and unpredictable forest.
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 4, 2012 2:09:46 GMT
They might even a laser that could vaporize the moon in one shot. I'm just going off of the information we've been presented in the comic, and there seems to be little to suggest anything like this is the case, thus far. You're right, that one's a little off the deep end... But still, you said it yourself: Every big thing we've been shown of what the court does is either in the pursuit of knowledge or for fortifying their defenses against the frighteningly powerful and unpredictable forest. (Emphasis mine.)
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Dec 4, 2012 5:58:36 GMT
Coyote coule easily pull a Majora's Mask on the court and squash them all with the moon with little effort. While TIME IS STOPPED. I'm pretty dang sure that the court ain't got nuffin' on that, unless they're a hell of a lot closer to manipulating the ether to godlike capabilities than we think. What remains to be seen is if he's bound by man's beliefs that he won't harm the court. I don't think it's a case of believing he won't harm the court. It's a case of being bound by his nature as told in the stories of him. He's very powerful, and he can play a mean trick. However, he is not overtly violent. At least not towards humans. Has Coyote, as a myth, ever been depicted as offing someone because they threatened him? Coyote gets ran out of settlements by angry people in his tales, and he doesn't hurt THEM. If he is truly what he says...
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Post by vhu9644 on Dec 4, 2012 6:17:12 GMT
have any of you guy seen the reynardine page? is it a new page that was previously unseen? or it really is an old page?
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 4, 2012 6:29:22 GMT
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Post by vhu9644 on Dec 4, 2012 6:38:37 GMT
thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 10:12:44 GMT
I don't think it's a case of believing he won't harm the court. It's a case of being bound by his nature as told in the stories of him. He's very powerful, and he can play a mean trick. However, he is not overtly violent. At least not towards humans. Has Coyote, as a myth, ever been depicted as offing someone because they threatened him? Coyote gets ran out of settlements by angry people in his tales, and he doesn't hurt THEM. If he is truly what he says... Yeah, good point. Even if he has, I think it's pretty safe to say that Coyote is almost (if not completely) entirely motivated by his own entertainment, and slaughtering puny little humans just isn't that entertaining to him, otherwise he'd let Ysengrin go wild. But still, you said it yourself: Every big thing we've been shown of what the court does is either in the pursuit of knowledge or for fortifying their defenses against the frighteningly powerful and unpredictable forest. (Emphasis mine.) I guess this may be a matter of personal interpretation, but I really see "fortifying their defenses" not as any sort of preparation for battle against Coyote, but as a way to help protect their students since the forest-folk have a bit of a history when it comes to breaking stuff, invading, and harming people. The closest thing to an act of aggression from the Court is whatever they did to Jeanne and her lover, and even that was motivated by the lack of defense from the forest. I think the biggest question to ask is, what does the Court have to gain from fighting the forest or Coyote? And what does Coyote have to gain from fighting the Court? Each messes around a little bit, but they both ultimately provide for each other: for the court, the forest provides unique, ether-connected students to learn from and study, and for the forest, the court provides endless entertainment for the trickster Coyote.
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