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Post by vulpixlb on Nov 6, 2012 20:10:19 GMT
I am really getting tired of this Jones chapter. At first it was really neat but all my empathy for her has drained away over the past month of nothing happening. The biggest problem with Jones now is that she has to be responsible or involved in the creation of mankind or she cannot look the way she does. Not to mention she is caucasion in a time before caucasions even existed. Nobody's keeping you here. Also, "caucasian". I trust Tom with the matters of his comic. If he thinks it's better to draw the backstory of Jones out over different pages in a sequence like he does now, then I think that he knows what he does and that he did the right thing. I don't think that Tom should compromise his vision of his (first of many...?) masterwork because some of the fans are (and maybe rightly so) inpatient. I'm also inpatient, but I support Tom for his decisions.
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Post by tiercel on Nov 6, 2012 20:40:55 GMT
How much further back can we go? Well, the universe as we know it is a bit under 14 billion years old. (That may or may not put constraints on the GC universe, but as far as we've seen GC-Earth history seems to parallel our own outside of the Court and the literal existence of etheric/mythic quantities and figures.) Given that our trip back in time is decidedly non-linear, presumably we have ~one (or at most two) hops back in time before we have Jones at the beginning of the universe. (Assuming that Jones isn't allowed to exist BEFORE the beginning of the universe.) One hop backward would fit the progression, but having an extra hop "At the Beginning of Everything" would provide a Friday cliffhanger of "now the #$! what?"
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 6, 2012 21:33:56 GMT
that actually could be it. but why I can't decide, maybe she's like the sword of Captain Carrot from Discworld . I figured it's a neat counterpoint to Coyote's revelation that he doesn't exist...but I'm also completely stumped on the why. However...something tells me that Jones is, too.
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Post by sofiaoh on Nov 6, 2012 21:40:27 GMT
Ah, well, boo. So all we know is: * she is harder than most objects * she is physically heavier (or perhaps denser) than water * she can bend and/or manipulate metal * she has been alive SINCE THE EARTH or something
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Post by OrzBrain on Nov 6, 2012 22:24:20 GMT
Ah, well, boo. So all we know is: * she is harder than most objects * she is physically heavier (or perhaps denser) than water * she can bend and/or manipulate metal * she has been alive SINCE THE EARTH or something We know a bit more than that. *She is immune to the ravages of time, even over spans of billions of years. *She is denser than at least some kinds of lava. *She does not require air. *She is immune to heat up to at least the temperature of lava. *She is immune to cold, and to long exposure to cold, down to at least the freezing point of water. *She does not eat. *She is immune to impact and pressure at least up to what she would have experienced early in the history of the Earth. This means that the only thing which could possibly be a threat to her in the modern era is a nuclear bomb (or magic), and I rather doubt that a nuclear bomb would do anything. Was she ever struck by a meteorite during the formation of the Earth? If so, nothing we have in the modern day could possibly harm her, leaving only magic. *She is immune to corrosion. *Her hair is less dense than water. *Her hair does not appear to grow. *Her hair appears as invulnerable as the rest of her. *She has super strength to an unknown level (but judging from the scene with the buffalo, dozens or hundreds of times that of a human). *She is insensitive to the etherium. *She does not appear to have a presence in the etherium. *She appears to be affected by Coyote's time stop ability, implying at least some vulnerability to magic. *She is immune or highly resistant to insanity and other mental health problems. *Assuming she remembers most of what has happened to her in her life span, whatever she uses for a brain must have a much larger storage capacity than a human brain. *She appears to enjoy the company of humans. *She is remarkably flexible considering her long life, capable of adapting to new situations with apparent ease. *So far as I can recall, she has never shown any sign of being creative. Current possibilities as to what she is: *Goddess retroactively created by human belief. *Post-human historian from the future. *Hominoid robot from the future. *Alien probe device, capable of shapeshifting to blend in with life on the target planet, with the current storyline being related from the point of view of Annie's imagination as Jones tells it to her. *Goddess or other creature created by alien rather than human belief, with some sort of trans-temporal earthly shape. *Jones.
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Post by Lightice on Nov 6, 2012 23:47:16 GMT
* she is physically heavier (or perhaps denser) than water In the context, denser is the same thing as heavier. If she had the density of a normal human being but was heavier, she would be proportionally larger than a normal person. I'd say that Jones is an incredibly dense creature (physically speaking, ofcourse ), and requires immense strength just to move normally -- but she's also capable of some absurd feats that indicate that her strength is off the scale, as well.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Nov 7, 2012 2:04:27 GMT
Not to mention she is caucasion in a time before caucasions even existed. Considering that she looks human in a time before humans even existed, I think her skin color is a non-issue. Hell, she looks human before multi-cellular terrestrial life existed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 2:09:28 GMT
*She does not eat. *So far as I can recall, she has never shown any sign of being creative. Now hold up a tick. We haven't seen her eat, but that doesn't mean she doesn't. She may not need to, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't enjoy it. I'd also argue that her combat maneuvers are creative. Given her strength and invulnerability, her tactics could be a great deal simpler.
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Post by OrzBrain on Nov 7, 2012 3:12:51 GMT
Not to mention she is caucasion in a time before caucasions even existed. Considering that she looks human in a time before humans even existed, I think her skin color is a non-issue. Hell, she looks human before multi-cellular terrestrial life existed. She looks human before any kind of life at all (on Earth) even came close to existing. By hundreds of millions to more than a billion years. *She does not eat. *So far as I can recall, she has never shown any sign of being creative. Now hold up a tick. We haven't seen her eat, but that doesn't mean she doesn't. She may not need to, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't enjoy it. I'd also argue that her combat maneuvers are creative. Given her strength and invulnerability, her tactics could be a great deal simpler. That is true about combat. I suppose someone could have created those moves for her, but of course that's pure unsupported speculation. I do wonder why she has such moves in the first place. Does it mean she has at some point fought opponents difficult enough to require sophisticated tactics? Or is the combat technique designed to inflict minimum damage on her opponent? But why would she ever need to do more than just stand there and/or walk off unconcernedly while her opponent exhausted him/her/itself in futile attacks? Or did Eglamore (or one of her previous pets with martial inclinations) come up with them in order to make sparing more fun than simply "Jones threw me across the room. The end."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 6:48:12 GMT
Or is the combat technique designed to inflict minimum damage on her opponent? But why would she ever need to do more than just stand there and/or walk off unconcernedly while her opponent exhausted him/her/itself in futile attacks? I think she definitely came up with this style (perhaps we saw her first use it against that templar) to end fights as quickly as possible with as little damage as possible to the interesting, beloved humans. After all, if the humans were to keep fighting against her in various forms, they'd be far more likely to hurt themselves. When Jones schools them in one move, they give up and stop bothering her so much.
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Post by notacat on Nov 7, 2012 12:32:56 GMT
Many european dialects of english don't pronounce the X sound in Faux, so I'm gonna pronounce it Foh-Pleative Okay...but you'll be pronouncing it wrong. The 'x' may be silent in faux, but it is pronounced in expletive. The two words are joined at the 'x's, and the hard 'x' from expletive overrides the silent 'x' from faux. I'll give you that when reading it, it feels more natural to think of the 'x' as being silent, but when you actually speak it aloud, pronouncing the 'x' makes it sound more satisfying, slightly less awkward, and more obvious how it's derived and therefore what it means. As a native speaker of British English, I would pronounce it "Foe-spletive". I cannot speak for the rest of the country, who no doubt have many and varied fun pronunciations ;D
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Post by telemont on Nov 7, 2012 14:21:34 GMT
Nobody's keeping you here. Illogical. I enjoy the majority of this webcomic. Why in the world would I deprive myself of the wealth of positive experiences just because of one rotten apple?
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Post by Triple Sharp on Nov 7, 2012 18:15:58 GMT
Okay...but you'll be pronouncing it wrong. The 'x' may be silent in faux, but it is pronounced in expletive. The two words are joined at the 'x's, and the hard 'x' from expletive overrides the silent 'x' from faux. I'll give you that when reading it, it feels more natural to think of the 'x' as being silent, but when you actually speak it aloud, pronouncing the 'x' makes it sound more satisfying, slightly less awkward, and more obvious how it's derived and therefore what it means. As a native speaker of British English, I would pronounce it "Foe-spletive". I cannot speak for the rest of the country, who no doubt have many and varied fun pronunciations ;D "Spletive"? With an 's'? Hm, not a British pronounciation I would expect (not that I'm especially knowledgable, being admittedly American). Do you pronounce expletive like " eckspletive or " esspletive"?
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Post by Georgie L on Nov 7, 2012 20:38:34 GMT
As a native speaker of British English, I would pronounce it "Foe-spletive". I cannot speak for the rest of the country, who no doubt have many and varied fun pronunciations ;D "Spletive"? With an 's'? Hm, not a British pronounciation I would expect (not that I'm especially knowledgable, being admittedly American). Do you pronounce expletive like " eckspletive or " esspletive"? Both depends on the accent.
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Post by notacat on Nov 8, 2012 7:02:01 GMT
As a native speaker of British English, I would pronounce it "Foe-spletive". I cannot speak for the rest of the country, who no doubt have many and varied fun pronunciations ;D "Spletive"? With an 's'? Hm, not a British pronounciation I would expect (not that I'm especially knowledgable, being admittedly American). Do you pronounce expletive like " eckspletive or " esspletive"? eck- splee-tiv So I would simply replace the "eck" with "foe".
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Post by legion on Nov 8, 2012 8:44:34 GMT
Nobody's keeping you here. Illogical. I enjoy the majority of this webcomic. Why in the world would I deprive myself of the wealth of positive experiences just because of one rotten apple? Because there's no rotten apple but the one you're bringing, ruining everybody's pie.
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Post by telemont on Nov 8, 2012 15:50:15 GMT
Because there's no rotten apple but the one you're bringing, ruining everybody's pie. Nope, sorry. Our of my six closest friends, every single one of us liked the story arc when it started and got really bored of it by the end.
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Post by legion on Nov 8, 2012 18:51:32 GMT
Obviously: why would you be friend with people who don't agree with you?
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Post by Georgie L on Nov 8, 2012 19:46:47 GMT
Obviously: why would you be friend with people who don't agree with you? It can result in interesting conversations. Enough mud-slinging fellows, the comic is not a serial comic, if you were to read the pages with no pause between them it would be like a blip compared to the length of the whole comic.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 8, 2012 22:42:30 GMT
Obviously: why would you be friend with people who don't agree with you? Lets stay in perspective, guys, we're talking about .jpgs on the internet, not the Rwandan Genocide.
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Post by Triple Sharp on Nov 9, 2012 17:34:55 GMT
"Spletive"? With an 's'? Hm, not a British pronounciation I would expect (not that I'm especially knowledgable, being admittedly American). Do you pronounce expletive like " eckspletive or " esspletive"? Both depends on the accent. Well, I actually meant you as an individual. But now that you mention it, out of curiosity, can you give examples of accents that use each pronunciation? If I had to guess, I suppose a London accent might not pronounce the "ecks".
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Post by Georgie L on Nov 9, 2012 19:31:32 GMT
Oh me personally I use eck, but I do as the fellow above does for fauxspletive and only merge the spletive and the foe for that invented word (but not the ecks.)
Rather broad accents may pronounce the other way, strong cockney, jordy,luton , I'd expect a typical london accent (there are quite a lot of london accents) would pronounce it with the ecks.
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Post by Triple Sharp on Nov 9, 2012 20:10:57 GMT
Oh me personally I use eck, but I do as the fellow above does for fauxspletive and only merge the spletive and the foe for that invented word (but not the ecks.) Rather broad accents may pronounce the other way, strong cockney, jordy,luton , I'd expect a typical london accent (there are quite a lot of london accents) would pronounce it with the ecks. I see. I think cockney is actually what I was thinking of. Hmm, in any case, international pronunciation of my invented word is proving to by quite complicated. Oh well, I should consider myself lucky if anyone speaks my word aloud, forget about pronunciation.
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