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Post by Angry Robot on Nov 2, 2012 12:02:13 GMT
In the ephemeral comments attached to 1111 on Wednesday, I posted:
'INB4 "Several epochs ago" and "Many epochs ago"'
Well, Tom changed epochs to eras, but otherwise I was right. Since we haven't seen Jones' creation yet (how did she get buried?), and for symmetry with the other period groupings, I'm calling it for Monday...
"Many eras ago".
Don't know where we go after that! Eons?
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Post by tiercel on Nov 2, 2012 12:05:40 GMT
My two cents: we see her as a human because we choose to. Her real form is Too Much for Us to Comprehend (TM). Ia! Ia! Jones fhtagn!This has been awesome and all, but....
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 2, 2012 12:25:25 GMT
Ok, now this page is just funny. Mainly because her hair is mussed once again. That, too. My two cents: we see her as a human because we choose to. Her real form is Too Much for Us to Comprehend (TM). Also, smiling fishes are happy. Because she's perfect! ;D Now we know what Llanwellyn meant when Jones said (of Ysengrin's tree armor) that she's "never seen anything quite like it" and he replied "Coming from you, that troubles me greatly". Especially if she offhandedly drops her observations now and again.
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Post by eightyfour on Nov 2, 2012 12:51:44 GMT
Now we know what Llanwellyn meant when Jones said (of Ysengrin's tree armor) that she's "never seen anything quite like it" and he replied "Coming from you, that troubles me greatly". I've always interpreted that remark as that she's been "in the field" for quite a while (i.e. older than she looks). Turns out that was a little bit of an understatement.
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Post by hngg on Nov 2, 2012 13:20:38 GMT
I think this journey isn't over yet: it should end with a full page that makes us go all 'whoa'. Something like the planet Earth forming around Jones, or Jones falling from the sky as a meteorite with her usual face.
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Post by tpman on Nov 2, 2012 13:43:29 GMT
What if she observed evolution happening over the eons, and one day thought "I wonder if I can shape life in my image." Bam! Humans are a result of Jones' selective breeding. I'm not sure how you meant that but the most literal interpretation actually makes the most sense. We look like Jones because there's a little bit of her inside each and every one of us. Although that has several brain bleach worthy implications. If she's been stuck there, then this is some pretty good evidence that her hair doesn't grow at any significant rate. Jones is immutable. Somebody asked why she had her eyes closed. 2 things come to mind: 1) She was snoozing until she became unstuck. or 2) She was just coming to life. Also somebody mentioned that gods could be created retroactively in accordance with their ages in the myths. I like this theory. I certainly need to replace my old "Jones was sent to keep Coyote in check by all the other gods he keeps pissing off" idea.
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Post by quoodle on Nov 2, 2012 13:46:18 GMT
Maybe she was, er, formed underground? ... Perhaps she was orbiting the Sun, and then her body mass began attracting particles from her surroundings, so that Earth gradually formed around her. Eventually magma streams, tectonic movements and erosion brought her up to the ocean floor. A very real possibility - it came to my mind too. But considering she's facing "up" and her eye's coming out instead of some random part - I'm thinking more of the birth scenario (so no, she'll have no belly button =( )
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Post by infinitysquared on Nov 2, 2012 13:52:20 GMT
Well. At least we know now what she isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 14:01:21 GMT
Somebody asked why she had her eyes closed. 2 things come to mind: 1) She was snoozing until she became unstuck. or 2) She was just coming to life. That was me, and I misspoke. We have seen her with eyes closed after her "quick match" with Eglamore, and those times were where she was meeting kids.
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Post by Lightice on Nov 2, 2012 14:22:34 GMT
Hummm...
Maybe the Ether is not affected by time the same way the physical world is, in spite of affecting it? Thus justifying, for example, subjective eternal afterlives? And that way the belief that created Jones could have flung her physical existence to the dawn of time, as people believed that whatever she was was just that old? Apart from straight-out time travel, that's the only theory that I can come up with, now.
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Post by mari on Nov 2, 2012 14:43:29 GMT
Well... if its the silurian period, there are some early hominids (Adipithecus Ramidus and possibly australothipicus anamensis) but if she were dreamed up by either of those, its pretty damn unlikely she'd look the way she does. So I'm going to go with whoever it was earlier who said that Jones isn't in mankind's image but that humans are in her image. I think you've got the time period confused. There are no hominids in the Silurian. Nor any other mammal. Nor any other tetrapods, nor even insects, the few lands animals at this point are mostly arachnids (and probably various kinds of worms). Actually, at the tail end of the Silurian, early hominids were around. Early on, not so much, though.
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Post by gobofongo on Nov 2, 2012 15:09:12 GMT
Next panel:
"A long long time ago... In a galaxy far away."
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Post by quoodle on Nov 2, 2012 15:16:20 GMT
Artistic note: Some of her hair is sticking up through the rock. Not sure what that means.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2012 15:26:48 GMT
Hummm... Maybe the Ether is not affected by time the same way the physical world is, in spite of affecting it? Thus justifying, for example, subjective eternal afterlives? And that way the belief that created Jones could have flung her physical existence to the dawn of time, as people believed that whatever she was was just that old? Apart from straight-out time travel, that's the only theory that I can come up with, now. I have been waiting to see if nonhuman intelligent beings are "real" so I can finish filling in the blanks on the overlay theory but I think I can come up with a way for Jones to predate humanity without resorting to non-linear events. It may be the case that the ether in the dualistic Gunnerverse moves into human form without any agency required and doesn't differentiate between causal process... so a human that evolves from an ape would become a greater receptacle for ether and therefore gain a self, as would a human being constructed in a lab from genetic material and grown in an artificial womb, or a shadow-man created by Coyote, or a monumental coincidence that forms a human shape from random chemicals in the environment... ...and perhaps a stone shape made into a human Form by chance natural weathering would be close enough to human around the cusp of humans actually coming into existence for the ether to layer onto it without any human yet existing at the time. ^Remains to be seen. If that flow is impossible then Jones will have to wait for some agency, I suppose. And as other people have already said, the notion that things can happen retroactively in the Gunnerverse complicates things immensely. We the readers may be seeing her in a way that she is actually not, in fact.
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Post by therighttrousers on Nov 2, 2012 15:28:56 GMT
Artistic note: Some of her hair is sticking up through the rock. Not sure what that means. No, no, no, you're missing the most important thing: it's going UP. UP!
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Post by exdevlin on Nov 2, 2012 16:04:20 GMT
For a split second there, I thought I was going to see a crustacean with Jones' face.
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Post by http404error on Nov 2, 2012 16:42:45 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Nov 2, 2012 16:45:03 GMT
she's a star/metorite/alien ship, fell to earth causing the extinction level event prior to this, got stuck in the ocean for a few thousand/million years and just follow the pages in reverse
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Post by mithril on Nov 2, 2012 16:48:48 GMT
I think you've got the time period confused. There are no hominids in the Silurian. Nor any other mammal. Nor any other tetrapods, nor even insects, the few lands animals at this point are mostly arachnids (and probably various kinds of worms). Actually, at the tail end of the Silurian, early hominids were around. Early on, not so much, though. nope. Silurian: 443 million years ago to to 416 million years ago. first hominids: 7 million years ago.your off by basically all of the history of life on earth. for reference, in the Silurian, you had the very first vascular plants (little more than an organic straw growing upwards to catch more light). you had the very first fish with skeletons appearing. on land you had some worms, a few scorpion/spiders, and lots of moss. the most complex non-plantlife were the mollusks, with ammonites, octopi, brachipods (shellfish).. and the arthropods with sea scorpions and trilobites.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 2, 2012 17:09:24 GMT
For a split second there, I thought I was going to see a crustacean with Jones' face. I rather think about Jones chatting with Bud and Lindsey. About arthropoda and them old good times.
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Post by unrequited on Nov 2, 2012 17:21:25 GMT
So I'm guessing Jones is the oldest living thing on Earth, possibly the oldest living thing in the Sol System, the Galaxy even the Universe!
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Post by Triple Sharp on Nov 2, 2012 17:21:52 GMT
What if... humanity arose from Jones' belief? mind=imploded Also somebody mentioned that gods could be created retroactively in accordance with their ages in the myths. I like this theory. Now you're thinking 5th-dimensionally! I've got a pretty good theory about Jones based solely on objectively observable facts: She is very old and very attractive. Having come to this conclusion, I am quite satisfied.
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Nov 2, 2012 17:53:49 GMT
Please note that Jones is starting with her eyes closed, then opening them. This could in fact be, the creation of Wandering Eye.
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Post by Per on Nov 2, 2012 18:02:13 GMT
Every million years or so Jones opens her eyes to see if a) anything interesting has evolved, b) she's entirely encased in sediment, or c) a camera is zooming in on her.
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Post by smjjames on Nov 2, 2012 18:25:39 GMT
For a split second there, I thought I was going to see a crustacean with Jones' face. I rather think about Jones chatting with Bud and Lindsey. About arthropoda and them old good times. Yeah, Bud and Lindsey are the descendants of a fictional offshoot of the Merostomata, which are the sea scorpions. Actually, at the tail end of the Silurian, early hominids were around. Early on, not so much, though. nope. Silurian: 443 million years ago to to 416 million years ago. first hominids: 7 million years ago.your off by basically all of the history of life on earth. for reference, in the Silurian, you had the very first vascular plants (little more than an organic straw growing upwards to catch more light). you had the very first fish with skeletons appearing. on land you had some worms, a few scorpion/spiders, and lots of moss. the most complex non-plantlife were the mollusks, with ammonites, octopi, brachipods (shellfish).. and the arthropods with sea scorpions and trilobites. I'm not sure if mari was trying to make a joke back there. Also, didn't the octopi group actually evolve later? Wiki says the Carboniferous.
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Post by legion on Nov 2, 2012 19:38:55 GMT
I think you've got the time period confused. There are no hominids in the Silurian. Nor any other mammal. Nor any other tetrapods, nor even insects, the few lands animals at this point are mostly arachnids (and probably various kinds of worms). Actually, at the tail end of the Silurian, early hominids were around. Early on, not so much, though. No. The Silurian ended 416 million years ago. Hominids would not appear for another 409 million years, in the late Neogene.
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Post by phyzome on Nov 2, 2012 20:14:05 GMT
Bah, this is all wrong! Tom has drawn diplogronts interacting with pelagic haematophors, which *everyone* knows are from an entirely different epoch! /s On a serious note... Artistic note: Some of her hair is sticking up through the rock. Not sure what that means. How sure are you that it's rock? I took it to be seafloor sediment, but I guess that might be flatter...
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Post by Rex on Nov 2, 2012 21:26:49 GMT
Damn, the next leap might put us a billion years before the present. I'm definitely in the camp who says Jones was retroactively created by the human belief that some female-bodied human always existed.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Nov 2, 2012 21:30:29 GMT
Maybe Jones has been playing Minecraft all this time. She accidentally got buried in sand here, but she has immortality on so she's fine, just stuck. Makes sense. Evolution goes at the same rate Notch works at. Takes Eons to add NPCs, and even longer than that to code in something resembling an AI for them. Minecraft should resemble Gunnerkrigg court some time next turn of the Universe.
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Post by Geekette on Nov 2, 2012 21:38:25 GMT
-Jones is four dimensional, and as such, exists in all points of time simultaneously; I really like this idea solely because its one of the ideas of the Aboriginal Dreamtime. (Or, more accurately, the version I know is that the Dreamtime contains 4 periods that encompass all of past, present and future, but because the Dreamtime is strong that time and space all of time exists at once) I'm hoping Tom can equate still Jones back to some existing myth - like the Dreamtime - because so much of the etheric we've seen so far is old myths been given a new perspective or twist.
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