Trism
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Post by Trism on Oct 29, 2012 12:04:04 GMT
I am NOT at all complaining about the absolutely engrossing and amazeballs story line, But I miss Kat and Annie just a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 12:12:51 GMT
EDIT: Just had a funny idea... What if Jones picked the next medium to be... HERSELF?!??!? And she felt like speaking in the third person when she said who was picked. I mean, I know that's not likely to be the case, but doesn't Jones seem like the perfect type of person to be medium? I'll bet whatever she actually turns out to be is something that could never be a medium. Wouldn't work because of her unexplained incompatibility with the etherium, as shown by Word of Tom saying that Jones has no color when viewed from the Ether, and her inability to use Blinker Stones.
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Post by alexh on Oct 29, 2012 12:14:13 GMT
EDIT: Just had a funny idea... What if Jones picked the next medium to be... HERSELF?!??!? And she felt like speaking in the third person when she said who was picked. I mean, I know that's not likely to be the case, but doesn't Jones seem like the perfect type of person to be medium? I'll bet whatever she actually turns out to be is something that could never be a medium. Wouldn't work because of her unexplained incompatibility with the etherium, as shown by Word of Tom saying that Jones has no color when viewed from the Ether, and her inability to use Blinker Stones. Ah, I remember that! Never mind, then, theory crushed. I guess there's no way she's an elemental then, either.
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Post by philman on Oct 29, 2012 12:37:34 GMT
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Post by dailenna on Oct 29, 2012 13:01:17 GMT
Man, Jones doesn't even flip that thing. It runs at her, she catches its head and takes the charge straight to the sternum. A normal person, if they didn't die, would have broken ribs - possibly a punctured lung - and basically be shattered. Jones not only stops the charging creature with an impact to the chest, but breaks the earth with the slide backwards instead of taking any damage.
I think we'd have cut out so many theories if she took damage then regenerated from that, but the pure fact that she's seemingly indestructible just makes everything so much more befuddling.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 29, 2012 13:08:31 GMT
Close enough. Come on, this is not a paleontology lecture.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 29, 2012 13:22:00 GMT
For the last six years reading this somic I've never expected any character going around topless. . . . And now it is Jones. My mind flipped. So glad someone commented on this; I was waiting for it. Eglamore has been topless before; I'm sure several other times too. Doesn't he count? ;D Either topless Jones is fan service (thank you, Tom) or just the normal Cro-Magnon attire—even for the women. Maybe Jones wrestled that steppe bison to make a shirt or something to cover up. Or the obvious, for food (not necessarily for herself, but maybe for the Cro-Magnons... since she probably doesn't eat).
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Post by alexh on Oct 29, 2012 13:34:17 GMT
Don't forget Muut!
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Post by OrzBrain on Oct 29, 2012 13:46:38 GMT
Cro-Magnon? Really? So... That means that (A): Jones is not human, and (B): The human form as personified in Jones predates the existence of humans. Right? That's... very... weird. She must be some kind of time traveler. Uh, cro magnon ARE early modern human, so she doesn't predate the existence of humans, yet..... You're saying that there were blond haired white skinned Cro-Magnon? Because I thought that blond hair was impossible at that time, having not yet evolved... And, um, let me quote Wikipedia: That means that none of them looked remotely like Jones. If she is a product of their imagination, then they somehow imagined her with facial features, physical structure, and hair color that wouldn't evolve for thousands of years. How does that happen? Edit: The wiki does go on to say that "skin and hair color can only be guessed at." Still, Jones doesn't exactly have rectangular eye sockets, a prominent nose, and a wide, square face
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Post by exdevlin on Oct 29, 2012 14:03:28 GMT
Do you have *any* idea how absolutely *thrilled* Daniel Jackson would've been to meet Jones and talk to her about her entire existence? Her memories, her experiences, the languages and cultures she's seen and learned?
And wow, I guess Jones was exceptional, even in those times. Taking a bison head-on is pretty damn impressive. I expect another week of strips before we come back to Jones and Annie talking in her office.
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Post by palevalkyrie on Oct 29, 2012 14:04:24 GMT
Hello everyone. I've enjoyed reading everyone's theories on this forum, and I decided to temporarily de-lurk to share something that's been on my mind about Jones for the last half of this chapter.
I think she's the personification of discovery.
It's not necessarily a perfect fit, but it's the only thing I've seen that explains Annie's belief that Jones disproves Coyote's theory, but actually makes her a perfect example of it. Coyote was going on an on about how humans are cursed to always look at a stone and see a symbol, a woman, etc. But Jones is the consumate observer--she goes around the entire world seeing with her own eyes things exactly as they are. This might make her seem like a poor fit to Coyote's story to Annie, as a being that basically goes around scientifically observing everything, and not placing explanations for anything where none exists. But if she is a personification of something, an anthropomorphic representation of learning and discovery generated by someone else's beliefs, she still proves Coyote right.
And if her origins are from around the time of the earliest humans, than the concept of "discovery" is a huge one--there is so much for humanity, as a species, to experience for the first time. Easy to believe that that might generate some sort of deity (or whatever) associated with that specifically.
I also think the title "the Stone" may not necessarily reference who she is, but what she does. She sees the stone as the stone, and to her, that is all it is. The stone.
Not sure if someone's proposed that before, but it just seemed to click for me.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 29, 2012 14:08:07 GMT
Uh, cro magnon ARE early modern human, so she doesn't predate the existence of humans, yet..... You're saying that there were blond haired white skinned Cro-Magnon? Because I thought that blond hair was impossible at that time, having not yet evolved... I never said that, I said that the cro-magnon are early or archaic modern humans, plus there is lots of variation in modern humans right now.
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Post by Gulby on Oct 29, 2012 14:11:28 GMT
palevalkyrie : Interesting theory ! :3 I'm willing to know more about all that... Please Tom, next pannel ! xD
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Post by smjjames on Oct 29, 2012 14:13:46 GMT
Also, theres a little problem of timing if she is in North America, namely the Bering Strait landbridge, She'd have to make sure that she crossed back over to Euroasia before the land bridge went underwater at the end of the ice age. Or maybe she can just use a kayak.
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Post by chendzeea on Oct 29, 2012 14:17:35 GMT
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Post by grahamf on Oct 29, 2012 14:23:37 GMT
I still think she's the Seed Bismuth, the stone that's the source of all civilization.
Would make sense that it takes the form of a human.
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Post by smjjames on Oct 29, 2012 14:25:33 GMT
Anyways, I agree with Orzbrain and many others in that the light skin and blonde hair is increasingly out of place considering that those traits are a recent development (anybody have any numbers for the earliest development of those traits?) and are localized to Europe.
I don't know if Tom had considered that or not, but it's something that he is going to have to explain.
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Post by chendzeea on Oct 29, 2012 14:26:36 GMT
No need to tie a name to it. Also I think we're already predating that myth by a quite a bit now. I don't think the timing of the myths is too important, if she is the mother earth since dawn of time, or dawn of humanity at any rate, then different cultures would have encountered her and named her different things, I just mentioned Gaia as is probably the closest thing to a recognisable name we have for Mother earth that is still recognised nowadays. I think the Mother Earth theory sounds interesting, but surely that would mean she would be more on the forest's side rather than human's side? She seems far more interested in humans than nature, so maybemore of a mother-human than a mother earth? A representation of Earth Mother is interesting one as well. It fits her general stand and see ideal. Well the amusing thing about a lot of "of the earth" style comments in regards to nature vs technology. When it comes down to it. It's all of the Earth. For better or for worse we're all "of the earth" not matter what we do. Otherwise it's outright Alien. There is nothing unnatural about robots or spirits. All the materials all the creativeness is born of and from the Earth and it's creations.
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Post by palevalkyrie on Oct 29, 2012 14:34:46 GMT
'Cro-magnon men' *are* European--it's a European population of early humans. That means their hair/skin couldn't have been too dark, or they'd have suffered from Vitamin D deficiency.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 29, 2012 14:51:03 GMT
Welcome to the forum, new people! Either topless Jones is fan service (thank you, Tom) or just the normal Cro-Magnon attire—even for the women. Maybe Jones wrestled that steppe bison to make a shirt or something to cover up. Or the obvious, for food. I think it's normal (un)attire for the period. It has been speculated by some science-type dudes that before athletic clothing, work clothing, and military/hunting clothing existed that people just stripped down when doing any of those things. Even though she is a woman she wouldn't want a rough leather tunic or wrap to bind her arms; even if she could tear through it, doing so might cost her a split second at a very critical time. Either that or topless Jones was inspired by that fanart I did where Randy goes shirtless.
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Post by Ender on Oct 29, 2012 15:16:37 GMT
"The animal in my current page is a Bison Latifrons." Mystery solved.
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Post by darlos9d on Oct 29, 2012 15:35:32 GMT
Guys. I'm just happy we received this image of Jones SUPLEXING A GIANT BISON.
If GC was a fighting game, Jones would be Zangief.
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Post by ryos on Oct 29, 2012 15:47:51 GMT
"Well, which was it--a buffalo, or a bison?"
"I'm...not sure what the difference is."
I have nothing to add beyond quotes from cartoons.
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Post by Per on Oct 29, 2012 16:37:59 GMT
Man, Jones doesn't even flip that thing. [aimless rant on mechanics and presumably useless ramifications for Jones speculation deleted] It's... comicbook physics. We should poll whether that or a Cro-Magnon/Bison Latifrons crossover is the most unsettling.
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Post by Georgie L on Oct 29, 2012 17:16:41 GMT
I'm sorry that I'm the one to bring this up again :
Word of tom - Jones is a being of my own creation not based on past myths.
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Post by quoodle on Oct 29, 2012 17:20:12 GMT
The cro-magnon people did not just exist at the oldest period of their fossils (about 40k years ago) - some sources classify that the people were as late as 10,000 years ago. For those who want these to be north American Bisons - there was some migration of people about as early as 15,000 years ago to north america.
Edit - I don't think we can even remotely think she's cro-magnon herself - (where's her incredible strength come from?) Just that she lived during these times.
I'm certainly glad the previous comic didn't predate humans - that would have been sad - Jones alone. But where's this going to end-up?
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Post by philman on Oct 29, 2012 18:21:35 GMT
The cro-magnon people did not just exist at the oldest period of their fossils (about 40k years ago) - some sources classify that the people were as late as 10,000 years ago. For those who want these to be north American Bisons - there was some migration of people about as early as 15,000 years ago to north america. Edit - I don't think we can even remotely think she's cro-magnon herself - (where's her incredible strength come from?) Just that she lived during these times. I'm certainly glad the previous comic didn't predate humans - that would have been sad - Jones alone. But where's this going to end-up? Word of Tom says they are North American bisons:
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Oct 29, 2012 18:45:01 GMT
Two things.
Firstly, this is a comic, wherein we have magic, which is an acceptable break from reality. So, I think we are over complicating the matter. Jones is during Cro-Magnon times, either in Europe with American Bison, or in America with mislabeled Homo Sapiens, either way, more of an acceptable break from reality than magic is. As such, this over analysis is not going to gain us anything, either Tom made a mistake (which he may have done in the past with MGS4, if we are correct about the timeline of the comic) or else this is just something else that the GKC-universe does not share with ours.
Secondly, I will find it interesting to see the return to the previous arc, where Coyote removed Ysengrin's memories forcibly. As I myself noticed that this current arc is a great distractor, and is turning our attention and memories away, maybe to set up a greater reveal?
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Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 29, 2012 19:15:31 GMT
If today's page is set around 40k-10k years ago, I wonder if the next page will be set during the last glacial period, which occurred 110k-10k years ago. Maybe we'll see Jones freezing her butt off and surrounded by ice and snow, very contrasting to the previous page in the Gobi Desert. (Or maybe Jones is unaffected by excessive heat or cold.) Also, since Jones encounters the Cro-Magnon on today's page, I wonder if Wednesday's page will show Jones encountering the Neanderthals, who lived from 200k-28k years ago. Funny idea: Jones teaches them how to make fire. Lastly, I'm sure some of you have wondered about this: Jones and dinosaurs. We all know that dinosaurs and the first hominids did not co-exist, but I think it'd be cool to see Jones in either the Cretaceous, Jurassic, or Triassic periods. You know, riding on a triceratops or fleeing from velociraptors.
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Post by legion on Oct 29, 2012 19:17:39 GMT
"The animal in my current page is a Bison Latifrons." Mystery solved. HAH, I KNEW IT.
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