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Post by goldenknots on Sept 12, 2012 12:11:11 GMT
The only problem with that is that Ysengrin has full control of the tree and had clear intentions of attacking Annie. Or maybe he's being controlled by the tree and doesn't know it.
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 12, 2012 12:16:22 GMT
Reynard kills his hosts, and it appears Ysengrin is schizo when exerting his power over trees. We know that Coyote's 'gifts' are not perfect, but remember that they came from him and he appears to have the perfect version of those powers. No he doesn't. He no longer has the powers that he's given away. I'm not sure if the possibility of regaining them has been discussed. Can a recipient give one back, or must he, will he, nil he, if Coyote demands it? (Used the long form of willy nilly because so many people think it means something else.)
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Post by jombra on Sept 12, 2012 12:17:59 GMT
This page. Leave me alone to die. ;_;
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pasko
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Post by pasko on Sept 12, 2012 12:26:14 GMT
Ok, this is officially the creepiest page in GC.
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Post by yhbc on Sept 12, 2012 12:28:32 GMT
You're all forgetting something.
Coyote.
Does
Not.
EXIST!
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Post by legion on Sept 12, 2012 12:30:52 GMT
Coyote: an allegory of drug addiction???
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Post by emanon on Sept 12, 2012 12:36:06 GMT
I registered just to post.
I think Coyote's been influencing poor Ysengrin myself. I doubt any of that is really Ysengrin's own doing as Annie has spent the summer in the forest and one simply put does not climb and clamber all over someone unless there's some very good familiarity with them as Annie does. Ys makes no move to hide the fact he attacked Annie and even more telling, shows bewilderment and remorse.
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Post by legion on Sept 12, 2012 12:39:33 GMT
Emanon > are you named after that bebop song, or is it just "no name" backwards (which technically it also is for the song, but)…
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Post by tustin2121 on Sept 12, 2012 12:43:40 GMT
I also had noel's idea,but I don't think coyote is controlling the trees, I think he was directly affecting Ys's mind and/or controlling his body. It was when Annie insulted coyote that Ys attacked. Also, coyote disappeared into a rock when she left: that might have been when he went to body control Ys.
Also, I highly doubt Annie is witnessing this through the blinker stone without coyote noticing. Remember? It is unwise to spy with a blinker stone: everyone can see you clearly in the ether when using it.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 12, 2012 12:46:10 GMT
You're all forgetting something. Coyote. Does Not. EXIST! I did forget that, and thinking about it that way makes this page much more disturbing. Or the funny summary of the page: If a wolf-tree falls in the woods and there is nobody around to hear it, does Coyote hear it anyways?
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Post by leah on Sept 12, 2012 13:41:45 GMT
If we look at Eglamore's dialogue in the last couple of pages: "these are dangerous creatures...Ysengrin's always been ready to snap at any time..." is off the mark. I mean, it's true, but I don't think anyone at the Court is weighing Coyote properly as the architect of strife.
Unless maybe Jones does. I'm excited for the next chapter.
(wait...it's not the end of the chapter yet...predicting one more page of extreme Coyote creepiness)
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Post by jmt on Sept 12, 2012 14:18:37 GMT
VERY creepy page. And sad.
My take: Righteous indignation - fuels blind rage - leads to attack - target lost - leads to reconsidering actions/realization of what one did - leads to regret - leads to taking solace in beliefs (Coyote)
Which then fuels up righteous indignation again.
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Post by OrzBrain on Sept 12, 2012 14:28:02 GMT
Coyote is obviously complicit in events in that he told Annie something that would deeply disturb Ysengrin, and then sent Annie and Ysengrin off alone and failed to intervene in the resulting explosion. I highly doubt that he is practicing mind control, however. Why would he need to? Words work just as well, without any niggling free will issues.
As for his aim, I think it was to show Annie just how dangerous the forest and its creatures can be to her if Coyote were to stop restraining them. He saw she was getting full of herself, overconfident, too big for her britches, etc, and decided to take her down a peg before she got herself killed sometime when he wasn't watching. In the long run he considers her his tool, and he doesn't want that tool to get broken before it accomplishes what he has set it to do.
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Post by exdevlin on Sept 12, 2012 14:47:12 GMT
tl;dr: I think we need to know more about Ys' past.
I think most of the ideas above touch on the whole of it. I think Coyote's power, given to Ysengrin, has the instability to cause him to be this emotionally uncontrollable. There are no hints as to how Ys got his powers from Coyote, but Renard ASKED for his, and as I recall, Coyote's original suggestion to give Renard powers was rejected. So, if you need to acquiesce to a bequeathing of power, why did Ys agree to take this power that Coyote offered? Or did he outright ask for it, for some reason? We've all noted that Ys likes to maintain a man-like form with arms and legs, even going so far as to wear _clothing_, despite his hate for humans. Maybe the power he wanted was to be more like a human -- but still having control over something inhuman?
Eggers' comment on how he has always been ready to snap only dates back as far as his own experience with him (I think). So what was Ys like before the current cast came into their roles in the Court?
Whatever the case, I think Coyote's abusive-boyfriend relationship with Ys is pretty clear. He has always been more than willing to shame Ys in front of others, so why show all this affection now? There is no doubt Coyote is orchestrating _something_.
I don't think I'm adding anything of value to the discussion. ;_;.
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Post by darlos9d on Sept 12, 2012 14:57:54 GMT
Is Coyote kind of a dick? Yes. Is he shaping up to be a main villain? I dunno.
Actually my own first terrible thought upon reading this page was that it'd be followed by Coyote, uh... putting Ys out of his misery. Which would make me all kinds of angry.
But no, you'd think he'd have more use for the guy.
Looking over this whole situation: Ys feels like he's become that character who needs to be saved from his own emotional problems. You see that character a lot in fiction. It's just that it's not usually a wolf in wooden power armor.
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Post by exdevlin on Sept 12, 2012 14:59:46 GMT
Actually my own first terrible thought upon reading this page was that it'd be followed by Coyote, uh... putting Ys out of his misery. Which would make me all kinds of angry.. That is officially the creepiest interpretation. Creepier than the abusive-bff type relationship.
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 12, 2012 15:21:09 GMT
Coyote: Still a jerk.
Man, that 6th panel...
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Post by darlos9d on Sept 12, 2012 15:30:36 GMT
Actually my own first terrible thought upon reading this page was that it'd be followed by Coyote, uh... putting Ys out of his misery. Which would make me all kinds of angry.. That is officially the creepiest interpretation. Creepier than the abusive-bff type relationship. It comes from years of experience in dealing with predictable deaths in fiction. MANY are preceded with the kind of scene we're seeing right here. The main villain is all like "shh hush it'll be alright" ::knife::
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Post by exuberancium on Sept 12, 2012 15:45:42 GMT
*inset mandatory shoosh pap comment here*
Coyote is up to something. I don't like it.
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Post by crmsnfrn on Sept 12, 2012 16:15:49 GMT
This. This page broke my heart. T-T Just want to say I second the idea that Ys didn't know/was being controlled idea. He seems genuinely confused as to way he attacked Annie, which makes me think he didn't exactly do it of his own free will.
I just want to hug that poor wolf-tree and feed him fish.
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Post by OrzBrain on Sept 12, 2012 16:35:49 GMT
You folks do realize that if Ysengrin isn't being mind controlled, then from what I've read, the reactions you're displaying are rather like those of a battered spouse? When the (for sake of argument) husband appears to realize that he was about to kill the wife, and apologizes, and the wife comforts him and tells him it's all right despite the cuts and bruises she just received? Of course Ysengrin hasn't got to the point of telling Annie that she should be more careful not to make him angry, and Annie hasn't apologized yet, but it could go there.
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Sept 12, 2012 16:38:28 GMT
From one morally ambitious trickster/manipulator to the next, Coyote is definately on the malevolent side of tricksters. While my actions for the benefit of the Empire were finally established as a Xanatos Gambit for the benefit of the galaxy, I do not believe Coyote's will be. Rather than point out any obvious evidence; merely let the weight of my words say, Coyote is malevolent.
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Post by Earin on Sept 12, 2012 17:31:26 GMT
You folks do realize that if Ysengrin isn't being mind controlled, then from what I've read, the reactions you're displaying are rather like those of a battered spouse? When the (for sake of argument) husband appears to realize that he was about to kill the wife, and apologizes, and the wife comforts him and tells him it's all right despite the cuts and bruises she just received? Of course Ysengrin hasn't got to the point of telling Annie that she should be more careful not to make him angry, and Annie hasn't apologized yet, but it could go there. You have to revise your field of rational reactions to people's actions significantly in the face of the possibility of the existence of subtle and temporary but powerful mind control. (Though not doing so is a staple of fiction.)
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Post by Eversist on Sept 12, 2012 17:53:04 GMT
WHY IS THIS COMIC SO GOOD
That is all.
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Post by myzelf on Sept 12, 2012 18:52:26 GMT
I have a bad feeling about this...
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Post by fuzzysocks on Sept 12, 2012 19:12:57 GMT
The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing.
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Post by undyingshadow on Sept 12, 2012 20:18:29 GMT
Coyote, you !@#$%^&*(!@
How much free will does Ys have? Coyote is a damn trickster god, so of course this is all part of his possible (probably) malevolent plan, and his agents are doing all the work for him; and somehow he manages to avoid looking like he's puppet-mastering all of this.
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Post by SpitefulFox on Sept 12, 2012 20:37:13 GMT
Not sure what Coyote is up to. All I know is that I want to give Ysengrin a hug. :c
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Post by nero on Sept 12, 2012 20:44:48 GMT
I'm glad Ysengrin regained his senses but I'm afraid to see what happens next.
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Post by superstarletce on Sept 12, 2012 21:24:13 GMT
MY CREYS
DDDDDD':
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