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Post by quanticle on Aug 23, 2012 5:40:53 GMT
A speech synthesizer that does not exist, cannot make that declaration. Well then, how about a hallucination? Could that declare that it didn't exist? No, because the hallucination exists, if only as a phenomenon of misfiring neurons in a creature's brain.
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Post by csj on Aug 23, 2012 6:00:35 GMT
Coyote is basically referring to her overly-causal approach to the forest in this here chapter and underestimation of its complexity. She comes in with the idea that she 'knows' a lot about the Forest and its denizens, then leaves having been shown how wrong that presumption was. I am increasingly convinced that this is the main focus of this chapter and I am perfectly fine with this.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 23, 2012 15:56:55 GMT
It's interesting -- with all the suspense we've gone through in the story so far, I'm not worried in the slightest for Annie. I have no idea what Tom will do tomorrow, but there are a dozen ways Annie could be saved/protected/get out of this situation.
First, she should be safe with Coyote's promise -- though I'm not sure whether that only covered the first visit or all visits to the forest. Second, there's the beacon stick from Eglamore. Then there's Surma's ability to lift herself etherically, which Annie may learn reflexively out of shock. Of course, we've also seen Coyote stop time, and if push comes to shove a cute couple could fortuitously BIP into place and BIP her away to safety. Finally there's the option of her talking Ysengrin down, which would be really nice. Of course, it could also be something completely different and new, which is the most likely explanation given Tom's amazing creativity.
No matter what we see, I'm not concerned -- just enjoying the story and looking forward to more.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 23, 2012 19:21:10 GMT
I think Ysrengrin is outmatched in this instance. All Antimony has to do is decide and she could burn him to a crisp. He's like a giant woodpile with some flammable fur kindling in the center.
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Post by Lightice on Aug 23, 2012 21:15:41 GMT
I think Ysrengrin is outmatched in this instance. All Antimony has to do is decide and she could burn him to a crisp. He's like a giant woodpile with some flammable fur kindling in the center. Annie hasn't yet burned anything with real fire in her life. She's always used magic fire that causes warmth but no actual burning. She presumably could, but she would have to be angry, not trying to calm Ysengrin down. Ys really doesn't care for the whole "rational discussion"-thing, does he? It can't be easy to be the only blunt instrument in a family of smooth-talking trickster archetypes.
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Post by lemarc on Aug 23, 2012 22:31:22 GMT
Ysengrin has already shown us, in his first appearance, that if he wanted to kill Annie he could do so, nigh-instantaneously. Even being set on fire certainly wouldn't incapacitate him in the split second it would take him to skewer her with his giant wooden extendo-spear, even if he did burn to a crisp afterwards. Fortunately, I seriously doubt he's going to try to kill her now.
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Post by rafk on Aug 24, 2012 6:28:55 GMT
Coyote is no liar, Carver. Therein lies the danger. Does not prevent him from saying something that is not true. Because he can still be mistaken. Yes, but what I was referring to is that he warned Annie about how Ysengrin would react and instead of taking the hint she tried to prove Coyote a liar. Coyote set up this fracturing of the Annie-Ysengrin relationship by doing nothing but tell the truth as he sees it, and that's why his words are so dangerous.
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Post by rafk on Aug 24, 2012 6:30:14 GMT
I think Ysrengrin is outmatched in this instance. All Antimony has to do is decide and she could burn him to a crisp. He's like a giant woodpile with some flammable fur kindling in the center. I don't think we've seen the half of what Ysengrin can do. Even without any of Coyote's powers, there must have been more to Renard and Ysengrin than being talking animals.
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Post by Xan on Aug 24, 2012 7:36:04 GMT
Why would she call Court for help? Both logic and simple fear should tell her to seek help from Coyote. Though given her usual attitude (and the time spent with Ysengrin), she'll likely try to handle it herself. Annie's intentions are to stop Coyote from abusing Ysengrin, and to defy his point. So that (seeking help from him) would be a defeatist move.
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