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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 22, 2012 7:00:40 GMT
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 22, 2012 7:02:44 GMT
Smooth, Carver. Real smooth.
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Post by atteSmythe on Aug 22, 2012 7:05:02 GMT
A: "Coyote's Funny Theory."
Y: "You think you're better than me!"
A: "Wait, what?"
I get the feeling that since Y left during the story, Annie's part in this conversation isn't really all that important. Could be anyone there, Y's been down this road before.
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Post by arf on Aug 22, 2012 7:05:17 GMT
[Carver exits, stage tree]
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Post by rafk on Aug 22, 2012 7:35:29 GMT
Coyote is no liar, Carver. Therein lies the danger.
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Post by Xan on Aug 22, 2012 7:38:33 GMT
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Post by Morpheus on Aug 22, 2012 7:43:25 GMT
Smooth, Carver. Real smooth. Wait, how did Annie do this wrong? She was just downplaying what Coyote said to try making him more comfortable with it, to make it seem less important. I really think old Ys is going a little crazy over something that had no malicious intent - rather the opposite actually. Granted, Annie's attempt obviously didn't work, but it'd have been pretty smooth if Ys hadn't been as batshit insane as he is. (He's still the most lovable grumpy, fuzzy wolf-tree ever though).
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Post by SpitefulFox on Aug 22, 2012 8:06:16 GMT
I guess Jones was spot on about Ysengrin being a little unhinged. Think that wooden suit is flammable?
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Post by hslugs on Aug 22, 2012 9:56:51 GMT
Why would she call Court for help? Both logic and simple fear should tell her to seek help from Coyote. Though given her usual attitude (and the time spent with Ysengrin), she'll likely try to handle it herself.
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Post by eightyfour on Aug 22, 2012 10:17:23 GMT
Coyote's antics are the reason for her to be in this situation in the first place. I wouldn't expect any help from him. However, assuming his promise that "no harm will come to her" still stands, I don't think she's in actual danger. Note how Ysengrin only smashed the tree she's on. He could just as easily have aimed straight at her. But her relationship with him will certainly be rather frosty, for the next time.
Seriously, Ys needs to go see a shrink about his low self esteem and those anger issues. That's not a good combination.
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Post by kokomuff on Aug 22, 2012 11:18:41 GMT
(He's still the most lovable grumpy, fuzzy wolf-tree ever though). Have you seen another lovable grumpy, fuzzy wolf-tree? Please tell me, i wish to meet him/her
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Post by Rea on Aug 22, 2012 12:14:35 GMT
A: "Coyote's Funny Theory." Y: "You think you're better than me!" A: "Wait, what?" Exactly, it sounds like Ysengrin is hearing what he wants to hear, even if it's completely different than what has been said.
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Post by steelpanther on Aug 22, 2012 12:24:27 GMT
Given that this is Annie attempting to Jones up our friend Ys, I think that was fairly successful. We know how deeply Ys resents the humans and we know he is insecure about his relative lack of power (hence the 'teeth baring' at the last Forest-Court meeting). Of course, mortal danger is not really a good trade off for that simple info, but it is info nonetheless.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 22, 2012 13:04:11 GMT
I think it's about time Annie makes a big etheric show to put her foot down. Ysengrin needs to get out of his own little monologue, and Annie has enough power in her own rights to make a loud enough yelp to get his attention, so to speak. The simple fact that she'd be doing so etherically would be her proving that she believes in her ancestory, not Coyote's story.
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Post by legion on Aug 22, 2012 13:04:54 GMT
Nooooo, not the tree
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 22, 2012 13:24:05 GMT
Oh calm down you big hairy baby.
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Post by cass on Aug 22, 2012 13:41:36 GMT
Wait, how did Annie do this wrong? She was just downplaying what Coyote said to try making him more comfortable with it, to make it seem less important. I really think old Ys is going a little crazy over something that had no malicious intent - rather the opposite actually. Granted, Annie's attempt obviously didn't work, but it'd have been pretty smooth if Ys hadn't been as batshit insane as he is. (He's still the most lovable grumpy, fuzzy wolf-tree ever though). It's possible to downplay something but you have to do it with actual reasons. The way she did it just came off as laughing at it. Ys is over-reacting, but I can see how he'd feel a little hurt even if he was perfectly sane. It's important to him, he's bared a bit of his soul to her, and it might feel like she's laughing at his concerns. As far as his reading of her intent goes: Not everyone heavily weights intent in their judgements. I don't. When I was younger my mother always excused my father's conduct with the excuse that he had a good heart deep-down. But that just seemed to keep her unhappy forever. If you pre-commit to use a minimum level of retaliation of tit for tat, coupled with a forgiveness strategy to reduce the noise level, and largely disregard guesses at the other person's intent, then my experience is that you can get along more easily with people. For some of us the answer to being hurt is, "I don't care if you meant it. Don't do it again." And if you're a little unstable, and the forgiveness level you've selected is wrong for whatever reason... maybe you think the issue is particularly critical, or you have low self-esteem or something (which seems to fit Ys)... then I can see how it might lead to this sort of explosion. They've attacked! Retaliate!
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 22, 2012 14:20:42 GMT
Smooth, Carver. Real smooth. Wait, how did Annie do this wrong? She was just downplaying what Coyote said to try making him more comfortable with it, to make it seem less important. I really think old Ys is going a little crazy over something that had no malicious intent - rather the opposite actually. Granted, Annie's attempt obviously didn't work, but it'd have been pretty smooth if Ys hadn't been as batshit insane as he is. (He's still the most lovable grumpy, fuzzy wolf-tree ever though). Because I'd say he cracked when she pointed out that he had formed a human body for himself. He made no reply to that because it's true. And that really pisses him off. After that an explosion became inevitable, no matter what she said or didn't say. She really shouldn't have pointed out something so vulnerable in someone so insecure. She can fly now, right? Not ideal if Ys starts throwing things or using long range extending claw strikes, but better than staying local where her survival depends on her moment to moment luck and reflexes, I'd say.
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Post by carasanathema on Aug 22, 2012 14:44:07 GMT
On the flip side, Y is always putting down humans, which must hurt Annie as she's mostly human. Pointing out that he chose a human-ish body is understandable, considering he just told her that most of her ancestry should be crawling on their knees before him and Coyote. She's still a teenager...expecting her to be as neutral and perfect in her "counseling" as a trained therapist seems a bit unreasonable. Personally, as much as I love GC, I'm starting to cringe every single time Annie starts feeling good/safe/like she has a home/can relax in any way...it's like the warning sign that something is guaranteed to happen to rip that away from her. It's like, "Oh, you're starting to feel comfortable, Annie? Well, your father still can barely stand interacting with you (don't you remember the death glare he gave you in the hospital at your mother's bed? Of course you do!), the Court isn't your home and seems complicit in the constant tracking of children, and occasional murder of either a student or her lover, you killed your mother just by being alive, your best friend isn't sure she wants to deal with your issues, your mother was a lying manipulator, a ghost wants to kill you, Coyote is going to give you a "gift" along with an armband that will amputate your arm if you tell anyone about it, you're going into a coma because of something your father is doing to you, and now the only place you started to feel like you can relax and cuddle with your favorite wolf friend is about to turn where your favorite wolf friend is going to go insane, blame you, and probably try to kill you, probably because Coyote either considers this medium training, he's jealous over the bond you have with Y, or he just likes seeing people jump when he wrecks their relationships. It's starting to just feel relentless. I'm just waiting for Kat to find out Annie used to copy her homework and have that blow up in her face, too. Most teenagers I know would have become suicidal long before this.
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Post by q3 on Aug 22, 2012 14:46:14 GMT
Ysengrin, stop hitting yourself.
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 22, 2012 15:19:53 GMT
On the flip side, Y is always putting down humans, which must hurt Annie as she's mostly human. Pointing out that he chose a human-ish body is understandable, considering he just told her that most of her ancestry should be crawling on their knees before him and Coyote. She's still a teenager...expecting her to be as neutral and perfect in her "counseling" as a trained therapist seems a bit unreasonable. Personally, as much as I love GC, I'm starting to cringe every single time Annie starts feeling good/safe/like she has a home/can relax in any way...it's like the warning sign that something is guaranteed to happen to rip that away from her. It's like, "Oh, you're starting to feel comfortable, Annie? Well, your father still can barely stand interacting with you (don't you remember the death glare he gave you in the hospital at your mother's bed? Of course you do!), the Court isn't your home and seems complicit in the constant tracking of children, and occasional murder of either a student or her lover, you killed your mother just by being alive, your best friend isn't sure she wants to deal with your issues, your mother was a lying manipulator, a ghost wants to kill you, Coyote is going to give you a "gift" along with an armband that will amputate your arm if you tell anyone about it, you're going into a coma because of something your father is doing to you, and now the only place you started to feel like you can relax and cuddle with your favorite wolf friend is about to turn where your favorite wolf friend is going to go insane, blame you, and probably try to kill you, probably because Coyote either considers this medium training, he's jealous over the bond you have with Y, or he just likes seeing people jump when he wrecks their relationships. It's starting to just feel relentless. I'm just waiting for Kat to find out Annie used to copy her homework and have that blow up in her face, too. Most teenagers I know would have become suicidal long before this. Huh. Yeah her life is pretty intense, isn't it? Thanks for breaking it down for me.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 22, 2012 15:46:03 GMT
I think it's about time Annie makes a big etheric show to put her foot down. Ysengrin needs to get out of his own little monologue, and Annie has enough power in her own rights to make a loud enough yelp to get his attention, so to speak. The simple fact that she'd be doing so etherically would be her proving that she believes in her ancestory, not Coyote's story. Ysrengrin uses Tree Chop! ...it's not very effective. Antimony uses Fire Blast! It's super effective! Critical hit! Ysrengrin has fainted! On the flip side, Y is always putting down humans, which must hurt Annie as she's mostly human. This is why it's hard for me to feel sorry for that old fart. He wants respect but refuses to give any.
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Post by Marnath on Aug 22, 2012 15:50:00 GMT
This is what happens when you bend the evidence to fit your preconceptions instead of the other way around. He heard exactly what he expected to hear from her. Hopefully she can get through to him before he smooshes her.
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Post by warrl on Aug 22, 2012 15:58:10 GMT
Coyote is no liar, Carver. Therein lies the danger. Does not prevent him from saying something that is not true. Because he can still be mistaken. Omniscience, even about the past, is not on his attribute list. I'm sure Renee Descartes would be happy to point out that the statement "I do not exist" cannot logically be true within the universe the speaker seems to inhabit. If the speaker does not exist, who or what made the statement?
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Post by FlyingMug on Aug 22, 2012 18:01:51 GMT
The question is, will this just make Annie like him more?
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Post by cass on Aug 22, 2012 18:02:33 GMT
I'm sure Renee Descartes would be happy to point out that the statement "I do not exist" cannot logically be true within the universe the speaker seems to inhabit. If the speaker does not exist, who or what made the statement? Undeclared variable 'I'... ... It's not immediately apparent that the speaker is a singular entity with a persistent tightly defined identity. Something exists, but the nature of that something - and whether what is speaking is the same as what is hearing and experiencing are harder questions to answer, and if so whether that erases the core of what might be meant by 'I'.... It's not clear that the ability to say 'I' necessarily encapsulates a concept of personal identity about which one cannot be mistaken.
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 22, 2012 19:40:52 GMT
I'm sure Renee Descartes would be happy to point out that the statement "I do not exist" cannot logically be true within the universe the speaker seems to inhabit. If the speaker does not exist, who or what made the statement? Undeclared variable 'I'... ... It's not immediately apparent that the speaker is a singular entity with a persistent tightly defined identity. Something exists, but the nature of that something - and whether what is speaking is the same as what is hearing and experiencing are harder questions to answer, and if so whether that erases the core of what might be meant by 'I'.... It's not clear that the ability to say 'I' necessarily encapsulates a concept of personal identity about which one cannot be mistaken. For instance a speech synthesizer could declare, "I don't exist"?
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Post by warrl on Aug 23, 2012 0:28:15 GMT
For instance a speech synthesizer could declare, "I don't exist"? A speech synthesizer that does not exist, cannot make that declaration.
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 23, 2012 2:09:41 GMT
For instance a speech synthesizer could declare, "I don't exist"? A speech synthesizer that does not exist, cannot make that declaration. Well then, how about a hallucination? Could that declare that it didn't exist?
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Post by legion on Aug 23, 2012 4:31:14 GMT
A speech synthetizer could declare "I am not speaking". Or a parrot, a parrot could say that.
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