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Post by TBeholder on Jun 18, 2012 23:45:48 GMT
There are no females on the internet. That is a silly statement. That's merely a rule-of-thumb, which is easy to prove: it generally complies with the fundamental Murphy's Law, but in some situations would also introduce exclusions, thus it must have a lesser applicable domain. Rule 16 in the internet handbook, standard issue for all Millennials and Gen-Xers leaving the maternity ward. If you were not issued one at birth, you are older than 30, in which case newspapers are still being printed for your comfort and convenience. You forgot to mention that it's in pictures. Could scare someone. Ooh, look - space monkeys! (runs away) It's even better when you realise I made a Matrix reference within an Inception reference. Alas, the point still stands. Have to agree with you. It seems pretty straight forward to me. That was Annie's hand on her head Let's see. Kat lies in a heap on the very end of the bed, then slides to the right, away from Annie, and standing up in panel #5, she's so far she could be at the bed's end. Annie lies in the bed normally. So, she wouldn't be able to reach this far without moving her whole body. And I think she just removed her hand when she woke up She had to sit, bent forward to reach Kat, and then... she sprung back and folded arms when Kat woke up? Does this sound like something Annie would ever bother to do? ;D
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Post by bingli on Jun 18, 2012 23:50:07 GMT
I agree with people who are saying that it isn't all Kat's dream. Her mind may have influenced some of the visuals of what we were seeing but some of the events seem too specific, what with Annie's dad being involved, the scene with Jack, and the reason why Annie passed out in the first place still a mystery. It would make sense for Zimmy and Gamma to have been communicating with Kat on somewhere other than the physical plane (perhaps that was why Rey and the others did not respond to them, they were sleeping, and so was Kat...except also moving around on a etheric or astral level, also could be why Kat didn't notice them enter the room, they could have stuck in just as she zonked out).
also, on a stylistic level, I think that purely dream/memory scenes are usually round cornered.
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Post by mcbibble on Jun 18, 2012 23:52:05 GMT
A practical experiment answers this one fairly quickly. Lie facedown with your left hand next to your face, then try and contort your right arm so your palm is resting fully on your own forehead. Once you've finished screaming and have had the doctor relocate it, perhaps we can start considering why Annie might have behaved the way she did, rather than waste time discussing whether kat is triple jointed or not.
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Post by Lightice on Jun 18, 2012 23:55:26 GMT
Let's see. Kat lies in a heap on the very end of the bed, then slides to the right, away from Annie, and standing up in panel #5, she's so far she could be at the bed's end. Annie lies in the bed normally. So, she wouldn't be able to reach this far without moving her whole body. Annie just needs to sit up slightly in order to gently shake Kat's head to get her to wake up, and then lean back again to relax. It's not rocket science. It also explains why she doesn't keep her hand there, since she'd have to keep leaning forward. I really don't see why this is such a big deal. It feels like you're again making the hasty assumption that anyone suggesting that Annie would make physical contact with Kat is a dirty-minded shipper, or something. Tom wouldn't draw the hand without a purpose, it's simply to add to the mutual comfort of the scene.
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Post by diztrakted on Jun 19, 2012 2:35:40 GMT
Did I miss something? Did anyone else propose that Annie threw Zimmy into Kat's mind? I thought that was cool. And it explains the setup of the last chapter very cleanly. Yes no?
Also, that was Annie's hand. Stop being contrary, TB. If that was Kat's hand, forget the positioning, she'd have no thumb. Edit: also, upon analysis, that's Annie's skin tone, not Kat or Gamma's
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Post by quanticle on Jun 19, 2012 2:46:31 GMT
My rational side is satisfied that these friends are happy to see each other again in conscious reality. My emotional side is yelling "KISS HER!" at my computer really damn loud. But wait, how do we know that it's conscious reality (continuing with the Inception thread of thought)? What if this is Kat's dream? I mean, if you really think about it, Annie's reactions here are more in line with Kat's personality than her own. So what if this is another dream, where Kat's imagining that Annie has woken up?
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Post by csj on Jun 19, 2012 2:50:43 GMT
'Spider Annie' is the first thing that came into my head when I saw the derpy face in the last panel.
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Post by Axelhander on Jun 19, 2012 3:48:53 GMT
My rational side is satisfied that these friends are happy to see each other again in conscious reality. My emotional side is yelling "KISS HER!" at my computer really damn loud. But wait, how do we know that it's conscious reality (continuing with the Inception thread of thought)? What if this is Kat's dream? I mean, if you really think about it, Annie's reactions here are more in line with Kat's personality than her own. So what if this is another dream, where Kat's imagining that Annie has woken up? I don't know. But I'm *reasonably* sure we're in Inception Level 0 right now. Domm Cobb actually with his kids and all that.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 19, 2012 4:30:33 GMT
A practical experiment answers this one fairly quickly. Lie facedown with your left hand next to your face, then try and contort your right arm so your palm is resting fully on your own forehead. I can't, due to not having the prerequisite: a forehead placed behind the ears. But then, neither does Kat. Annie just needs to sit up slightly in order to gently shake Kat's head Ditto for hands below knees. ;D Wait... I thought those pictures on the first page were merely an expression of childlike surprise... And, at last, the perfect argument appears: "u r arguing, stop arguing!!"... Well... I'm definitely not going to argue with that. If that was Kat's hand, forget the positioning, she'd have no thumb. I'd like to know what do you mean, though to be honest, after the previous two "like" part here should be considered just a figure of speech. ;D
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Post by rafk on Jun 19, 2012 4:33:36 GMT
People are assuming it was all Kat's dream? So Kat knew about Annie's conversation with Jack? Kat knew about the binding and what the Anwyn boy looked like? Kat had the imagination to think of the head pigeon and Zimmy seeing Kat as a giant bird insect deity thingy?
None of the above is convincing to me at all.
Meanwhile, Annie's line must go down as one of Tom's top 10 trolls on the audience. Maybe top 5!
Bit hard to tell whether Annie's obvious panic comes from seeing Zimmy mess around in her head or from waking up in hospital without knowing how she got there or how long she's been under.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 19, 2012 7:22:52 GMT
People are assuming it was all Kat's dream? So Kat knew about Annie's conversation with Jack? Kat knew about the binding and what the Anwyn boy looked like? Kat had the imagination to think of the head pigeon and Zimmy seeing Kat as a giant bird insect deity thingy? None of the above is convincing to me at all. Meanwhile, Annie's line must go down as one of Tom's top 10 trolls on the audience. Maybe top 5! Bit hard to tell whether Annie's obvious panic comes from seeing Zimmy mess around in her head or from waking up in hospital without knowing how she got there or how long she's been under. You should make a list of Tom's top trolls, I want to see which one you put at number one. I think this whole conversation between Zimmy and Kat was on a more etheric plane. I think Kat was actually asleep the whole time (explains why Renard and the others were non-responsive), but she was not aware that she was projecting. If she was, she probably would have freaked out that there was a pigeon using her head as a perch and spitting out her innermost thoughts. I don't think Kat got to see into Annie's thoughts, but she probably heard the "million boyfriends" line and extrapolated. The question now is what the what the status of that punch is. Was Tony metaphorical or real, and does he have a massive goose egg on his dome now? What exactly did Zimmy "fix"? Annie seems happy (I liked 'chipper', that was a good adjective), I don't really see panic there, maybe bewilderment at best. And, at last, the perfect argument appears: "u r arguing, stop arguing!!"... Well... I'm definitely not going to argue with that. Helmsman, torpedo in the water! Dive! Dive! Dive!
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Post by pasko on Jun 19, 2012 10:31:02 GMT
You should make a list of Tom's top trolls, I want to see which one you put at number one. I'm voting for the last page of "fire spike", for NOT showing forest inhabitants.
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Post by maximkat on Jun 19, 2012 11:02:59 GMT
You know, the thing that takes the least amount of baseless assumptions? Because this comic has always been about the Occam's Razor, right? Meanwhile, Annie's line must go down as one of Tom's top 10 trolls on the audience. Maybe top 5! Now that I'm thinking about it, have we seen (human) characters' teeth often before? Or is this Annie's trollface expression?
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Post by Lightice on Jun 19, 2012 12:06:20 GMT
Now that I'm thinking about it, have we seen (human) characters' teeth often before? Or is this Annie's trollface expression? Yes we have. Annie's, in fact. And Donny's. In Tom's artwork toothy smile seems to indicate embarrasment or awkwardness for anyone who's not Zimmy or Coyote.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 19, 2012 16:54:06 GMT
I don't know why you people are arguing. It's clearly the pigeon's hand.
In all honesty, as interesting as it would be for that to be Annie's hand, I don't think the skin tone is right for it. I know it's all washed out and hard to tell, but that's how it looks to me.
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Post by paxjax123 on Jun 19, 2012 18:15:18 GMT
Is half of this thread really about whether a hand is Annie's or not?
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 19, 2012 20:05:59 GMT
Is half of this thread really about whether a hand is Annie's or not? We are but simple folk.
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Post by Georgie L on Jun 19, 2012 21:40:53 GMT
Yes we have. Annie's, in fact. And Donny's. In Tom's artwork toothy smile seems to indicate embarrasment or awkwardness for anyone who's not Zimmy or Coyote. It seems this is a case of Art imitates life. The eyes are also an important part of that particular face he uses. Without the eyes looking somewhat shocked.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 20, 2012 0:33:10 GMT
...I see what you did there.
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Post by rafk on Jun 20, 2012 4:50:05 GMT
You should make a list of Tom's top trolls, I want to see which one you put at number one. I'm voting for the last page of "fire spike", for NOT showing forest inhabitants. I really should do a re-read and compile a list. Annie revealing that she was told by Ysengrin what Jones is (but not telling the audience) would be pretty high up there. Also about half of Faraway Morning.
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Post by pasko on Jun 20, 2012 8:12:13 GMT
I'm voting for the last page of "fire spike", for NOT showing forest inhabitants. Annie revealing that she was told by Ysengrin what Jones is (but not telling the audience) would be pretty high up there. Oh god I forgot it. Yes, it definately tops my previous example.
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Post by Lightice on Jun 20, 2012 10:44:52 GMT
In all honesty, as interesting as it would be for that to be Annie's hand, I don't think the skin tone is right for it. I know it's all washed out and hard to tell, but that's how it looks to me. By the Word of Tom, it's Annie's hand. In your face, suckas! But seriously, I just don't get what there was to debate about in the first place; Annie was the only other person there, and the gesture is perfectly characteristic for her, and it certainly didn't imply anything that isn't already known.
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Post by warrl on Jun 20, 2012 18:13:18 GMT
I'm voting for the last page of "fire spike", for NOT showing forest inhabitants. I really should do a re-read and compile a list. Annie revealing that she was told by Ysengrin what Jones is (but not telling the audience) would be pretty high up there. I somewhat disagree, because the way she told Kat about that pretty well says that either (a) she doesn't think Ysengrim knew what he was talking about, or (b) Ysengrim did a really lousy job of explaining, so she doesn't know what he was trying to say. (Or maybe both.) Either way, Antimony doesn't believe that Ysengrim accurately conveyed to her what Jones is. So her not relating what Ysengrim said is not a big deal to me.
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Post by hoskins88 on Jun 21, 2012 6:20:09 GMT
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