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Post by quanticle on Jun 18, 2012 13:12:30 GMT
And another thing I don't get - if this was all in Kat's head, then how did she know about the binding? As far as we know, Annie never mentioned it to her and it evaporated from her wrist before Kat had a chance to see it. So unless Annie told Kat about the binding "offscreen" (which is something that usually doesn't happen in this comic), how did Kat know about it?
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 18, 2012 13:42:49 GMT
But yeah, this would be a fairly sweet parallel to Kat's aborted hair stroke. I love how she clasped her hands like, "yes, I have been keeping these entirely to myself. As you can see they are folded. Any head touching you felt was probably just a pigeon or something. I admit, I LAUGHING ON LINE'd at the pigeon comment. Nicely done, Dr. McBibble! Oh, and the gorilla meme bit is totally new to me. Thanks to whomever linked to knowyourmeme. Having read up on it, I can say that this particular meme really rustles my jimmies.
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Post by darlos9d on Jun 18, 2012 13:43:45 GMT
Okay, so I'm going with what I was suspecting last week: while there is plenty of "it was in her/their head(s)" going on, at the same time I believe Zimmy was actually there too. She was just there mentally rather than physically, probably while Kat was physically zonked out on the bed.
So, yeah.
Also, calm yoselves, shippers (and people afraid of shipping). Just because the LADIES ARE TOUCHING ZOMG doesn't mean this is going somewhere romantic. Geeze.
EDIT: Apparently the acronym for "oh my god" gets converted into "gosh golly" here. Curious.
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Post by arf on Jun 18, 2012 13:53:56 GMT
Having gone through that roller coaster, I initially thought Annie's question was about the dream.
...then I realised how um... embarrassed she looked in the last panel, and realised she might be timidly asking what's going on... with Kat.
Annie's hand on Kat's head. Swiftly removed. Just a bit of main babe affection. Nothing to see there. Move along.
Are Rey, Robot and Shadow still around?
Don't recall binding being discussed. No reason why it shouldn't be. Rey knew about it. It was only there to stop Annie mentioning the tooth Coyote had given her while in the forest, and Annie didn't conceal that from her friends
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Post by King Mir on Jun 18, 2012 14:02:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure Annie's hand in panel 3 is to wake kat up.
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 18, 2012 14:25:10 GMT
Okay, so I'm going with what I was suspecting last week: while there is plenty of "it was in her/their head(s)" going on, at the same time I believe Zimmy was actually there too. She was just there mentally rather than physically, probably while Kat was physically zonked out on the bed. This seems like the most likely explanation. Zimmers just used Kat's sleeping state to skate in without having to actually be there physically. Tom also said that we were seeing the things Zimmy was seeing, while Kat missed a lot of the action going on. Doesn't seem to be any sense in Kat having a dream she doesn't see the most of. Yeah it's in the rules thread, all internet acronyms get turned into something else Okay, Kat is cool and all here, but I want to focus back on Annie for a moment. Is it just me, or is Annie really chipper for someone waking up from a coma? Was thinking the same thing, she's acting really hyper for Annie. Last time she was so weird was probably when she got back from the forest. Maybe it's just a temporary high from getting back soul-control, or what if Zimmy accidentally kicked over an Important Metaphor of Annie-nes and made her all weird and expressive? ;D
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Post by Lightice on Jun 18, 2012 14:30:59 GMT
Okay, Kat is cool and all here, but I want to focus back on Annie for a moment. Is it just me, or is Annie really chipper for someone waking up from a coma? It's almost like she's hiding something. I mean, normally, Annie operates on a reserved<----->angry spectrum, but here she appears to be neither. That, to me, indicates that something funny is going on. Well, as far as we can tell, she just woke from a dream in which she was in the Forest again, and her current behaviour does remind me of how she acted when she came from the Forest at the end of the summer. There might be a connection, there. The setting also probably helps; Annie has always been most open and chipper in the intimate environments. I don't think that this is all that uncharacteristic for Annie as she has been for the Year 9, so far. She's been a lot more open, except when she's had to face uncomfortable stuff like Jack or her father. Currently she just seems happy and confused.
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Post by yarksie on Jun 18, 2012 14:33:38 GMT
Annie seems nervous, she either knows something Kat and us don't or she saw Zimmy skipping about in her mind, or you know, waking up randomly in a hospital bed.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 18, 2012 14:38:35 GMT
Here is something interesting: Kat is not wearing the headband. Either Gamma magically destroyed it through the Ether, or she only dreamed about wearing it. OR BOTH! Edit: Ok, real comment now. I'm a bit surprised that Annie is actually in the hospital. I don't quite know what to do with that yet. On the one hand, I hope it's not just plot device. On the other, it's highly unusual for 13-year-olds to just collapse, so I hope there's nothing actually wrong with her. :/
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 18, 2012 15:11:19 GMT
Well, as far as we can tell, she just woke from a dream in which she was in the Forest again The latest dream-bit was about her talk with Jack though. And ended with her tossing around Zimmy... Actually, made me wonder, will she remember what she dreamt about? And if she does, will she remember Zimmy hanging around in her dreams? "Would you mind telling me what's going on? I just had a dream I was talking with Jack when Zimmy walked in and called my dad a jerk." ;D Hospitals probably still make her feel at home anyway.
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Post by mcbibble on Jun 18, 2012 15:22:13 GMT
Annie's every sentence that wasnt a question ended with an exclamation point. That's unusual for her. Something is up.
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 18, 2012 15:47:25 GMT
Well, while there obviously were dreams involved, we're still in the hospital at this point and so there are real elements from the beginning of the chapter. I want to know where Renard and Robot and Shadow are right now, and whether they remember anything from the point where Zimmy and Gamma showed up, or even before, to the present moment.
The headband (+5 straightness) is clearly gone, and was there at the beginning, so it wasn't _all_ dreaming.
I'd really like to know when Kat went to sleep: before Zimmy and Gamma showed up, while they were there, or after they left. Maybe after, in the fadeout?
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 18, 2012 16:11:33 GMT
It was a dream within a dream within a coma, except their mind made it all real. INCEPTION!
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Post by bingli on Jun 18, 2012 16:14:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure Annie's hand in panel 3 is to wake kat up. thats what I thought too. "hey, wake up, what's going on?" And who wouldn't pat Kat on the head there? she looks so cute :3 It makes me happy that Annie is awake again, and chipper. I'm excited to see what was up with Rey and the others, still no answer on why they were unconscious.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 18, 2012 16:36:17 GMT
The headband (+5 straightness) is clearly gone, and was there at the beginning, so it wasn't _all_ dreaming. Not sure you can say this - I believe the first time we see Kat this chapter, she's already dreaming.
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Post by nero on Jun 18, 2012 17:05:31 GMT
So, Zimmy entered the room by linking to Kat's head. This allowed her to see cityface, and somehow make another link to Annie's mind. Where she found Anthony, punched him, and the white light meant that Zimmy left Kat's head.
Annie's probably confused since she collapsed somewhere else and was then brought to the infirmary. Maybe she doesn't remember that Zimmy was in her head because the whole time her eyes were closed so she wasn't fully "awake" to see her.
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Post by chendzeea on Jun 18, 2012 17:14:22 GMT
It was a dream within a dream within a coma, except their mind made it all real. INCEPTION!LAUGHING ON LINE You evil nickers you beat me to it!!
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Post by notacat on Jun 18, 2012 17:25:41 GMT
That is all...
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Post by Marnath on Jun 18, 2012 18:08:55 GMT
Hospitals probably still make her feel at home anyway. I think maybe it's partly because she's feeling much better after whatever it is that Anthony was doing was ended. She looked like she was in pain with those bones stuck in her.
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Post by sotha on Jun 18, 2012 18:22:41 GMT
I just realised what looked odd about Annie, other than how chipper she is. It's because she isn't wearing any makeup, but that's totally expected, being in a hospital and everything.
I also just noticed that Kat's speech bubble colour (incidentally) is really close to the colour of Annie's gown, though I'm sure that was noted way back in the beginning of the chapter.
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Post by diztrakted on Jun 18, 2012 18:25:02 GMT
Hospitals probably still make her feel at home anyway. I think maybe it's partly because she's feeling much better after whatever it is that Anthony was doing was ended. She looked like she was in pain with those bones stuck in her. So we're all in agreement that Zimmy was in Annie's head and did some stuff. It may or may not have unbalanced her (she seems really weird to me. Uncannily happy). I think most of the chapter that appeared to happen in physical space really did: Gamma and Zimmy were physically there. However, 1050-52 were probably withi-- I get it. Annie threw Zimmy into KAT'S HEAD!Holy... that works! 1050-52 happened within Kat's mind! Annie ejected Zimmie and she ended up in Kat. THAT'S why Kat started 1053 conked out on the bed where she started. THAT'S why no one else moved in those past three comics. THAT'S why Zimmie could see this. Please, feel free to poke holes, I literally came up with this mid-sentence.
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Post by jasmijn on Jun 18, 2012 19:18:35 GMT
Oh yeah baby answers they are a coming, sure they are coming from some one who probably has no clue what happened. But cliff notes might be nice What are those baby answers you speak of? Also, you're both wrong. It's Dr Mcbibble. That's the best kind of Mcbibble.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 18, 2012 19:55:01 GMT
Annie's "uh oh, guess you did something to get royally scolded, Antimony girl" face in 9 panel still cracks me up. That's almost certainly not Kat's hand for the simple reason of the fourth panel. If that was Kat's right hand that falls off her head when she wakes up, it would be lying next to her on the bed. ...after her right shoulder slid below the bed level... Jamie Tyndall, is that you? ;D Also, it looks like for Annie to reach her like this without raising Kat's head was too far on the bed's leg side. And in hindsight it might have been slightly embarrasing for Annie to do that, anyway. Why is everyone asking who's hand it is? I think it's safe to assume its Annie's hand stroking Kat's hair. She's never had a difficult time showing her physical affection. 959 Precisely. Usually she's either all cold and official or as cute and touchy as those ex-fairies. Which is why she most likely would keep her hand. There is no way it was all a dream. The answer is simple: You know, it's possible that Zimmy could still explore Annie's dreamscape while actually visiting through Kat's head. She's got crazy powers of craziness. It could happen. Okay, Kat is cool and all here, but I want to focus back on Annie for a moment. Is it just me, or is Annie really chipper for someone waking up from a coma? Physically, she had a good rest. Otherwise, suddenly got a relief from the tension she couldn't handle and some emotional release through action (if only by throwing poor Zimmy). Of course, she feels good, even if probably not quite in the proper shape to dance in air right now.
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Post by legion on Jun 18, 2012 21:05:59 GMT
It was a dream within a dream within a coma, except their mind made it all real. INCEPTION!It's even better when you realise I made a Matrix reference within an Inception reference.
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Post by themollyz on Jun 18, 2012 21:23:40 GMT
This is all that I've been thinking about the Dream Theory since it first popped up. Why shouldn't it be real and a dream at the same time? Weirder ish has happened. Remember that cursed teapotAlso, Annie's behavior may or may not be the result of Zimmy messing around in her head, but could just be the result of head trauma and/or waking up in a hospital for seemingly no reason.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jun 18, 2012 21:41:32 GMT
Here is something interesting: Kat is not wearing the headband. Either Gamma magically destroyed it through the Ether, or she only dreamed about wearing it. Or, you know, you're totally wrong about it all being a dream and the headband is gone because Gamma took the headband. You know, the thing that takes the least amount of baseless assumptions?
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Post by mcbibble on Jun 18, 2012 21:47:33 GMT
Yeah, I mean, Zimmy ko'd robot, Reynard and shadow at the start of the chapter. Not so wild to think she knocked kat out at some point after arriving...
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Post by golvok on Jun 18, 2012 21:49:47 GMT
Well Kat seems to be rested, though the redness around her eyes seems to disappear after www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1034 , right before gamma leaves. I wonder if that is significant? Tom seemed to be pretty consistent with it, then it just stops suddenly. Is the time after that some sort of dream?
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Post by Axelhander on Jun 18, 2012 21:50:39 GMT
My rational side is satisfied that these friends are happy to see each other again in conscious reality.
My emotional side is yelling "KISS HER!" at my computer really damn loud.
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Post by loveandsausages on Jun 18, 2012 23:22:26 GMT
But jokes aside, the hand is right, looks the same as her left, and if you'll try to use your biceps as a pillow while half-sitting face down, you'll end up in this pose. And if that was Annie's hand, she would keep it on Kats head, because why not. That's almost certainly not Kat's hand for the simple reason of the fourth panel. If that was Kat's right hand that falls off her head when she wakes up, it would be lying next to her on the bed. Instead it seems that she has it to her side, since it's completely absent from the fourth panel. As for why Annie wouldn't keep it there, it's kind of uncomfortable for both parties keeping your hand on the head of a person who's waking up, and most likely squirms right and left as she struggles back to the world of the living. And in hindsight it might have been slightly embarrasing for Annie to do that, anyway. Or she just slightly shook Kat's head to get her to wake up. You don't need shipping reasons to acknowledge that as Annie's hand. But yeah, Annie, I don't think that there's a soul on the forums who doesn't share your sentiments. Although with our luck, Wednesday will show us Shadow, Robot and Rey waking up, and Friday the entrance of classmates coming to wish Annie speedy recovery, and we still won't get to find out what's going on until next week. Have to agree with you. It seems pretty straight forward to me. That was Annie's hand on her head and it's clearly a call back to Kat reaching out to touch Annie. And I think she just removed her hand when she woke up, like you said. I have to say I love the fade in with her hand resting on Kat's head. It's just heartwarming.
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