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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 13, 2012 19:44:56 GMT
Suddenly I long for a Gainax animated series of Gunnerkrigg Court. This has been on my mind of late as well. This comic would make one HELL of a series, it's even formatted perfectly for it. Once Tom has laid out the last chapter he should really start thinking about media pitches. |
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Post by superstarletce on Jun 13, 2012 19:49:35 GMT
Yup... still can't stop staring. The colors are just unreal-gorgeous. And good observation about the Tic-Toc rib!! The plot thickens.
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Post by Sivo on Jun 13, 2012 19:52:31 GMT
Not at all big on biblical quotes, but...
"Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying."
Tom's picture is now my head canon for Seraphim.
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Post by mcbibble on Jun 13, 2012 19:53:45 GMT
I think the cracks on her face are indication of her current state of mind, what with Annie and all. They also hint that what Zimmy sees now is a chrysalis. This this this! Is what I came here to say. Just thought of that myself. So, of kat resolves her current issues, she may change? Also, thoughts on the pigeon! So, pigeons were once considered messengers for the gods. A pigeon has been sitting on Kats head, conveying her thoughts. Symbolism! |
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Post by Lightice on Jun 13, 2012 19:58:33 GMT
This has been on my mind of late as well. This comic would make one HELL of a series, it's even formatted perfectly for it. Once Tom has laid out the last chapter he should really start thinking about media pitches. That would be cool. Personally I've thought that it would be great if they got an Eastern European studio animating the Court backgrounds and the robots and a French or Japanese studio doing the people and the Forest creatures. Tom draws the two places very distinctly, and it should be reflected in different animation styles. Really? That's something I've never heard of... Anyway, it's funny how this particular page has gotten five pages of forum posts in such a short time, when most pages only get three or so even in a whole weekend. I guess it's true that a single picture says more than a thousand words. |
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Post by nimue on Jun 13, 2012 20:03:50 GMT
It's absolutely beautiful. Gorgeous!
It would probably disturb someone who is intimidated by technology, but I totally love it!
I do wonder about that crack on the face, though... and in the same cheek that Carver has the swordscut, although this might be hardly any relevant.
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Post by sefer04 on Jun 13, 2012 20:05:35 GMT
Not at all big on biblical quotes, but... "Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying." Yes, I was about to point that, too. Kat has six wings like a seraph. That means she is very high in angelic hierarchy. I think that she normally would look less "Zimmesthetic" in her full Aetheric grace. She may or may not be a Psychopomp for Robotic lifeforms. Also, did you noticed her eyes are closed? Is is a symbol of her blindness to the Aether, or her ignorance of her own nature? Maybe she hadn't awakened her power yet. I wonder, how does Anja look in Aether? Finally, no other page would prompt me to stop lurking. Well played Mr. Siddell. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 13, 2012 20:16:51 GMT
My first thought was angel. My second thought was insect. My third thought was mechanical. She managed to be nearly every single thing we thought she was going to be! But those aren't bird wings, just look at the wings here. The style is definitely insectile, with veins and cells and a single point of articulation at the origin. I don't see cells in Kat's wings. (In the video clip you linked to, I barely see the wings at all.) I do see veins, but they are linear and non-intersecting whereas an insect wing's veins - even the major ones - have cross-connections that form polygons; mostly, irregular pentagons. And a single point of articulation is visible to us, but we have no idea of the wingspan and for that matter a robot design wouldn't be obligated to precisely correspond to the result of natural evolution. Dragonfly wings: entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/misc/odonata/odonata_06.htmBird wings: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Birdwing.svg |
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Post by goldenknots on Jun 13, 2012 20:24:14 GMT
I do wonder about that crack on the face, though... and in the same cheek that Carver has the swordscut, although this might be hardly any relevant. I don't think it's the same cheek. Annie's cut is on the left, the crack is on the right. Maybe complementary? |
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Post by sefer04 on Jun 13, 2012 20:25:40 GMT
Well, they look like feathers, but made insectoidal by our POV.
... it just dawned on me that Zimmy was called a demon. It would be only logical for her to fear the angels.
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Post by joephlommin on Jun 13, 2012 20:34:15 GMT
Well, they look like feathers, but made insectoidal by our POV. ... it just dawned on me that Zimmy was called a demon. It would be only logical for her to fear the angels. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Post by nimue on Jun 13, 2012 21:24:26 GMT
I do wonder about that crack on the face, though... and in the same cheek that Carver has the swordscut, although this might be hardly any relevant. I don't think it's the same cheek. Annie's cut is on the left, the crack is on the right. Maybe complementary? I am dyslexic in directions (dunno how this is called in english), and always forget that I am >_< Nice thought, though :) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 13, 2012 21:32:58 GMT
Suddenly I long for a Gainax animated series of Gunnerkrigg Court. This has been on my mind of late as well. This comic would make one HELL of a series, it's even formatted perfectly for it. Once Tom has laid out the last chapter he should really start thinking about media pitches. I could see Gunnerkrigg Court as something that The Mouse might be interested in. We've got the cute young female protagonist and the mysterious locations. There's the wise-cracking sidekick and the sage elder animal (all in one package). We're tracking along the standard school path so there will be dances and the girls in fancy dresses in the likely future. There would be two problems. First, The Mouse is infamous for a deathgrip on property and distribution; the fact that this is a open-ended free webcomic might put them off no matter what. Second, Gunnerkrigg Court is not known for one-dimensional villains. The second might be an easy fix because it's possible to generate a throw-away douchebag foil that doesn't really affect the core plot. But both problems could possibly be solved with dumptruck loads of money and a creative input clause. |
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Post by Lightice on Jun 13, 2012 22:04:44 GMT
There would be two problems. First, The Mouse is infamous for a deathgrip on property and distribution; the fact that this is a open-ended free webcomic might put them off no matter what. Second, Gunnerkrigg Court is not known for one-dimensional villains. There are plenty of Japanese and European animations with no generic villains or other standard demands of American children's cartoons. Even some very artistic and opaque stuff has gotten animated, and made enough profit to commercially justify its existence. Also, when based on an already existing IP, like a comic or a novel, an animation studio usually just buys rights for the animated version they're producing and any merchandising made for it. They may stipulate that no other adaptation can be made of the product without their consent, but it's not uncommon for the original creator to retain the rights to the original work and format. And Gunnerkrigg Court isn't open-ended. Tom has mentioned before that he's already aware of how the story is going to end, implying that there does exist a some kind of central plot arc that is most likely already ongoing, but still unclear to us readers. If some kind of animated adaptation is ever going to manifest, it's almost certainly going to be when Tom has finished with the GC, himself, and is working on some other project or spin-off. In Japan it's fairly common to only publish a part of an unfinished novel or comic series in animated format, but it's an extremely uncommon practice everywhere else. |
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 13, 2012 22:06:03 GMT
Dan Simmons, YES! There are many things in GKC lately that have been reminding me of the Hyperion Cantos, such as.... If so (or similar!), then despite all its efforts there's a lot the Court seems to be missing. It could explain why Rey was so apalled at the manipulation of the ether. If the realms are opposite, then the introduction of technology to the ether could be catastrophic. If the robots are truly alive, and if they extend into this other realm (sorry, I've looked and looked, and can't come up with a name that fits, or even a concept. Given Old Robot's reverence for motion, I'm tempted to call it the Current or the Flow for now), they (or some of them) could be sensitive to it in the way that Annie and the Forest Folk are sensitive to the Ether. Kat must be as well, and that's what she was tapping when Annie got her to clear her mind on the roof. This reminds me so much of the Void Which Binds concept from the Hyperion Cantos. It's a clunky name, so maybe we can just call it the Void haha. But anyway, tapping the Void could explain why, for example, Donny can walk through walls and Eggers can do crazy physical feats. Perhaps the Forest aims to ensure the power is only tapped organically, and the Court attempts to tap it mechanically. Perhaps Coyote is able, in some way, to mess with the way the Court was tapping it, and the sacrifice of Jeanne was how they ensured Coyote could no longer interfere. I have a lot more wild spec - but really that's all it is for now, is wild spec. I love this comic  can't wait to see where it goes from here! [edit] As someone else pointed out, the left side of the robot-angel-Kat's face is cracked. However, the right side appears pocked - perhaps it is rusted? What does this imply? Perhaps Kat - or at least the avatar part of her - is older than we realize, and the damage is from tussles with outside forces (e.g., Coyote). Or perhaps the damage is occuring over time right now, and is one of the reasons Kat feels an urge to build a better robot - she feels some urge either to get a new body or to find ways to repair her own. Again, WILD spec! Another question I have - if you can see Kat this way through the ether (I assume) do her parents or Eggers see her this way?! Why doesn't Annie? How the heck did her parents give birth to such a thing - or what if they didn't, and her appearance is due to crazy experimentation on their own daughter?! [/WILDWILDSPEC] If we also take into account the 'Tictocs are Kat's creations sent back in time' theory, I guess that means Kat = Fedmahn Kassad? |
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jun 13, 2012 22:51:28 GMT
HOLY FUZZING FUPP.
I.. was I right or wrong in the last thread? I CAN'T TELL!
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Post by superstarletce on Jun 13, 2012 22:55:10 GMT
Perhaps Kat travels back in time herself. Or maybe it was too dangerous for a human, so she sent the Tic-Tocs. If anyone in the Gunnerverse could build a time machine, I'd pin it on the girl who built an antigrav unit (and also Very Important Protein Crystals!!!) like it was nbd in her first year of secondary.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 13, 2012 22:58:44 GMT
And Gunnerkrigg Court isn't open-ended. Tom has mentioned before that he's already aware of how the story is going to end, implying that there does exist a some kind of central plot arc that is most likely already ongoing, but still unclear to us readers. If some kind of animated adaptation is ever going to manifest, it's almost certainly going to be when Tom has finished with the GC, himself, and is working on some other project or spin-off. I agree that it will be much more likely that Gunnerkrigg Court will be picked up when it's a finished property, but I respectfully suggest that, while Mr. Siddell does have an ending in mind, if he does not know how much comic it will take to get there that makes it currently an open-ended project. About standardized bad guys: I don't like them much but I admit they can have a broad (un)appeal across targeted audience segments that translates to profits, and that's why marketing suits like them and argue for them. Yes, there have been a number of commercially successful films that defy conventional formulae but there have been many more that didn't make enough profits to justify the investment (in other words, the studio could've made more money with less risk on another project or by putting their money in the stock market). Large companies of any sort don't like to gamble and would prefer predictable mediocrity over erratic genius. Just saying things like that could be negotiable without selling out the overall story architecture. |
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Post by zale on Jun 13, 2012 23:58:56 GMT
Quick, someone get Jones in here and have Zimmy look at her for us! Yes! Swiftly, before the Zimmy-Vision wears off! |
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Post by FlyingMug on Jun 14, 2012 0:02:09 GMT
So Kat is Gurran Lagaan in Silent Hill?
All aboard Kat x Pyramid Head, toot toot!
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jun 14, 2012 0:06:15 GMT
IMO, Zimmy has the same ability to peer into the ether that Annie has, but it is somehow colored by their psyches: where Annie's fluid and dreamlike, Zimmy's harsh and nightmare-ish. I think this could be a distinct possibility. Just like real life. We all see the same world, but we all perceive it differently. Hopefully that makes sense so I don't have to giganto rant on it. Why would the ether be any different from this truth? The ether is the ether, but how it's perceived depends on the individual. I'm also a fan of going back and rereading this chapter with the idea Zimmy has been seeing this for a long time in mind. A couple things she says and does suddenly make more sense (and past needless antagonism towards her suddenly doesn't seem so needless). |
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Post by Lightice on Jun 14, 2012 0:40:25 GMT
Yes, there have been a number of commercially successful films that defy conventional formulae but there have been many more that didn't make enough profits to justify the investment (in other words, the studio could've made more money with less risk on another project or by putting their money in the stock market). Large companies of any sort don't like to gamble and would prefer predictable mediocrity over erratic genius. Why would you take Gunnerkrigg Court to a large company to begin with? It's not a new Harry Potter, it's not aimed for mass appeal. There are plenty of smaller studios out there doing excellent works, producing non-mainstream stories for more selective audiences. And they can do profit, as well. Think Waltz with Bashir or Haibane Renmei, works from as opposite ends as I could think of, but both works done by people with little mainstream fame, but plenty of devoted followers. I really don't see, and don't want to see Gunnerkrigg Court moulded into entertainment for the masses. If it becomes widely popular, it should do it in its own merits. Personally, I think that it would be best produced as a series of direct to DVD shorts, about an hour long each, containing one or two chapters worth of events. Apart from that I think that would keep the adaptation most true to the original work, it would also work out for the studio, as it wouldn't need to take great risks, only producing a new episode after the old one has sold enough to financially justify it. |
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Post by csj on Jun 14, 2012 1:06:30 GMT
Gunnerkrigg is something I'd rather see at my local comic book store, or a bookshop, though an animated series would be good (but only if done very carefully by the right kind of people).
As for this page; I am warming up to the tick-tock theory... and that's probably one of the best-drawn panels thus far.
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Post by Eversist on Jun 14, 2012 1:38:00 GMT
So Kat is Gurran Lagaan in Silent Hill? All aboard Kat x Pyramid Head, toot toot! Kat has all of the spiral power. |
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Post by zale on Jun 14, 2012 1:52:38 GMT
As for this page; I am warming up to the tick-tock theory... and that's probably one of the best-drawn panels thus far. I am too. It does make a great deal of sense. Kat likes birds, is a mechanical wiz, showed interest in robotics that acted in an organic manner.. Not to mention they did save Anne from falling to her doom. EDIT: It's also been mentioned that Zimmy hates the Tic-Tocs. Just thought I'd mention that. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 14, 2012 2:25:23 GMT
And Gunnerkrigg Court isn't open-ended. Tom has mentioned before that he's already aware of how the story is going to end, implying that there does exist a some kind of central plot arc that is most likely already ongoing, but still unclear to us readers. If some kind of animated adaptation is ever going to manifest, it's almost certainly going to be when Tom has finished with the GC, himself, and is working on some other project or spin-off. I agree that it will be much more likely that Gunnerkrigg Court will be picked up when it's a finished property, but I respectfully suggest that, while Mr. Siddell does have an ending in mind, if he does not know how much comic it will take to get there that makes it currently an open-ended project. About standardized bad guys: I don't like them much but I admit they can have a broad (un)appeal across targeted audience segments that translates to profits, and that's why marketing suits like them and argue for them. Yes, there have been a number of commercially successful films that defy conventional formulae but there have been many more that didn't make enough profits to justify the investment (in other words, the studio could've made more money with less risk on another project or by putting their money in the stock market). Large companies of any sort don't like to gamble and would prefer predictable mediocrity over erratic genius. Just saying things like that could be negotiable without selling out the overall story architecture. It would have to be done very carefully, and I don't particularly care for the idea of changing even a single aspect of the plot, let alone adding or subtracting characters. If you could get together a solid team of voice actors and an artist who could bring Tom's style to life without it being jerky or distorted, would be incredible. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 14, 2012 2:36:16 GMT
Why would you take Gunnerkrigg Court to a large company to begin with? It's not a new Harry Potter, it's not aimed for mass appeal. There are plenty of smaller studios out there doing excellent works, producing non-mainstream stories for more selective audiences. And they can do profit, as well. Think Waltz with Bashir or Haibane Renmei, works from as opposite ends as I could think of, but both works done by people with little mainstream fame, but plenty of devoted followers. I really don't see, and don't want to see Gunnerkrigg Court moulded into entertainment for the masses. If it becomes widely popular, it should do it in its own merits. Personally, I think that it would be best produced as a series of direct to DVD shorts, about an hour long each, containing one or two chapters worth of events. Apart from that I think that would keep the adaptation most true to the original work, it would also work out for the studio, as it wouldn't need to take great risks, only producing a new episode after the old one has sold enough to financially justify it. Short answer: You don't know the power of the dark side. Long answer: I am not an industry expert and am interested in better-informed opinions, but I do think Gunnerkrigg Court merits the best possible shot. A big company has big distribution channels, can do big ad buys, can hire voice talent that can bring its own hype to the party, hopefully to build to critical mass. Adding a robot Jafar and his comical robot minions in the middle of book 2 would seem to me to be a small price to pay, particularly if Mr. Siddell gets to oversee or write their addition himself (and gets paid salary while doing so). Larger financial success means a bigger pie all around, so that people would be more interested to hear about Mr. Siddell's next project and to work with him on it. And please understand that I am drawing a line between what I want as a fan of Gunnerkrigg Court and what I think would yield the most financial and career success. While small studio direct to dvd/br is possible there is a trade-off. Smaller budgets tends to mean lower quality and less promotion; mainstream distribution channels are actually working against you. Larger companies by definition bring more jerks with them wherever they go. If you are just starting out they are likely to try to bully you or get you to sign off on a bad deal. Small studios are more likely to flatter you. However, if something goes wrong during production (like a major personality conflict or a principal animator or voice actor dies 2/3 through production or something) the big studios have fallback measures. They can replace people. They have production insurance (usually). Small studios are more likely to press on regardless, even if it damages the property with an untimely release, because they'd rather lose a small amount of money now and keep their distribution deadlines and stay in business than risk pumping more money into a money pit. I'm not familiar with Waltz with Bashir but am a fan of Haibane Renmei; I am not sure that's a good example because it was produced overseas for the Japanese market and just imported, dub/sub'd and distributed here... and then Pioneer went out of business... |
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Post by Trism on Jun 14, 2012 2:56:09 GMT
I love the Kat TickTock theory, but for some reason time travel always seems so...IFFY to me. Perhaps Kat is the reincarnation of some powerful Court spirit or Soul?
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Post by diztrakted on Jun 14, 2012 3:15:57 GMT
My first thought was angel. My second thought was insect. My third thought was mechanical. She managed to be nearly every single thing we thought she was going to be! But those aren't bird wings, just look at the wings here. The style is definitely insectile, with veins and cells and a single point of articulation at the origin. I don't see cells in Kat's wings. (In the video clip you linked to, I barely see the wings at all.) I do see veins, but they are linear and non-intersecting whereas an insect wing's veins - even the major ones - have cross-connections that form polygons; mostly, irregular pentagons. And a single point of articulation is visible to us, but we have no idea of the wingspan and for that matter a robot design wouldn't be obligated to precisely correspond to the result of natural evolution. Dragonfly wings: entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/misc/odonata/odonata_06.htmBird wings: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Birdwing.svgOf course, they're stylized, but they look a heck of a lot more like insect wings than they do bird wings. Ignoring the surface, where are the bones if it's birdlike? Why don't they angle up after the first joint? Where are the layers of feathers? Also, check this:  The tic toc thing... By the way, that's not a rib. That's a breastbone, or keel. Birds need a huge breastbone to connect their wing muscles to:  The holes are not a common feature on keels, hence I think the blades on Katangel are style features, not faux keels. |
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Post by rosefae on Jun 14, 2012 3:21:03 GMT
I think we've lots of evidence at this point that Kat has some connection with the Tic Tocs. We know that before Kat and Annie, Anja and Surma were really close friends. What if the mothers of Anja and Surma were friends as well? I know Anja's accent implies first-generation immigrant, but is it not possible for Surma's mother to have grown up with Anja's, but emigrated earlier? Or conversely, that Anja's mother left the court before Anja's birth, and then returned? What if it was Kat's ancestor who was the same generation as the original fire elemental was the one that created the Tic Tocs?
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