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Post by hoskins88 on Jun 13, 2012 7:28:00 GMT
You know Kats Angel aspect is almost never spoken about other than by Robot who may or may not be crazy. I guess this might add a little more credit if even zimmy is seeing it.
Is it greedy to hope to see Annie and Kat in both their etheiric glory. Fire Elemental And Metal Angel
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 13, 2012 7:29:45 GMT
Called that. ** Not really.Well now, I expected a lot, but not quite that. I won't go as far as to say I called it but I've had my fingers crossed wishing for it since the last update. Not disappoint! Excellent that this image got its own page! This page alone made me finally stop lurking and post on the boards. Damn that's an excellent image and would make an incredible print. Agree and welcome to the forums, Dreadedwave!
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Post by yarksie on Jun 13, 2012 7:30:03 GMT
Why am I thinking of Akira when I see that? Or Tetsuo(the movie, not the character). Otherwise its so awesome, it makes me think of Kat's bitterness, maybe she has several etheric forms? Maybe others do too, or Zimmy is really having a bad spell and is picking up on the evil/sad/hurt/bitter side of Kat?
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 13, 2012 7:30:28 GMT
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed Man. So, the big question here, to me, is what the heck is Zimmy-land's relationship to the Ether? Thus far, we've only seen such presence from gods and demigods (maybe giving R & Y a bit much credit, but they've been around a long time). But Annie's been in the ether near Kat dozens of times, and saw nothing. I'd thought of the odd multidimensional code of the robots as etheric, but maybe it's not. Maybe there's another realm at a right angle to it, and opposite in effect, where they intersect defines the world. If so (or similar!), then despite all its efforts there's a lot the Court seems to be missing. It could explain why Rey was so apalled at the manipulation of the ether. If the realms are opposite, then the introduction of technology to the ether could be catastrophic. If the robots are truly alive, and if they extend into this other realm (sorry, I've looked and looked, and can't come up with a name that fits, or even a concept. Given Old Robot's reverence for motion, I'm tempted to call it the Current or the Flow for now), they (or some of them) could be sensitive to it in the way that Annie and the Forest Folk are sensitive to the Ether. Kat must be as well, and that's what she was tapping when Annie got her to clear her mind on the roof. It could also start to explain Zimmy's dilemma. Maybe she's sensitive to both. Maybe what we see in her nightmare realm is the consequence of allowing these opposite realms to mingle. ...or maybe I just blew a half-hour of sleep on some seriously wild spec!
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Post by madragoran on Jun 13, 2012 7:31:07 GMT
Awesome, awesome, awesome! Right on the spot and on the money! Reminds me of the work of Giger.
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 13, 2012 7:31:22 GMT
Huh. That's new.
Tom's comment made me think, he described one of Zimmy's earlier visions as a "future distortion", what if some day, Kat's gonna actually look like that?
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Post by sotha on Jun 13, 2012 7:31:55 GMT
I was thinking Ketrak at first, if only because it would be ironic if Zimmy saw Kat as Ketrak.
But a robotic angel thing would make sense too?
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Post by Max on Jun 13, 2012 7:36:09 GMT
I don't think it's Ketrak. I get the feeling Tom intends to leave its appearance to the imagination.
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Post by Trism on Jun 13, 2012 7:39:25 GMT
Zimmy does seem to always see a grim, dark version of things. This may just be the way SHE sees a beauteous divine form that Kat appears as to others.
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Post by chiparoo on Jun 13, 2012 7:41:06 GMT
Huh. That's new. Tom's comment made me think, he described one of Zimmy's earlier visions as a "future distortion", what if some day, Kat's gonna actually look like that? Or maybe, she'll look like that in the ether one day? I'm assuming you can change how you look in the ether, whether intentionally or unintentionally. After all, Annie hasn't always had that etheric scar. It might be that how Kat looks in the ether currently is Kat with a pigeon on her head. You can sort of see an abstracted bird-shape on her head on this page -- it makes sense to me that it stays a part of her, not matter how distorted it gets.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 13, 2012 7:45:25 GMT
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed Ozymandias is my favorite poem of all time. Well chosen. I think it's safe to say that Kat is the Divine referenced to in the chapter's title.
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 13, 2012 7:49:22 GMT
Huh. That's new. Tom's comment made me think, he described one of Zimmy's earlier visions as a "future distortion", what if some day, Kat's gonna actually look like that? Or maybe, she'll look like that in the ether one day? I'm assuming you can change how you look in the ether, whether intentionally or unintentionally. After all, Annie hasn't always had that etheric scar. And fishguy could look handsome by concentrating (assuming that's not his special power or something). Whatever the explanation, the obvious thing seems that Kat's somehow related/connected to the divinity who made the tictocs. And some of the metallic parts, like on her ribs and some of the bits coming out of her eyes remind me of the parts inside the tictocs. The thing that's interesting though is that the Court isn't just science. The way Jones explained it was that it's a mix between science and etheric. Maybe if Kat can accept the etheric sciences she can fulfill the Court's dreams and ascend to this godlike state?
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 13, 2012 7:49:50 GMT
DAYUM, KAT! I mean..I don't..DAYUUUUUM! What even how does..KAT YOU ARE A SMALL GIRL YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS LOOKING LIKE...WHATEVER THAT IS! That is... impressive. It's not going to give me nightmares, but I can see how Zimmy would be terrified of something like that looming over her. It does look a lot like the traditional description of angels. Made me think of a Seraphim. I wonder if that's what the robots see.... "And that, children, is what excess of steampunk does to your spirit!" I suspect that if golems ever let on that they see her like this, she won't stop until they'd print a big poster and then she would proudly hang it on a wall. Because it's not like Annie would object, given that she chats with Ketrak all the time. ;D I'm sure lots of schools want to achieve the status of giant, scary monster-movie thing. I mean, didn't your school do secret, etheric science to become worthy enough to digivolve into Yourworstnightmareforthenextweekmon? Because I know mine did. Usually this is achieved with less effort... Also: Is that Ketrak in robot style? Since she saw him, and the most impression she did is on the lil' golems... yeah, may well be.
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Post by warrl on Jun 13, 2012 7:53:34 GMT
My assumption is that Zimmy is seeing Ketrak from chapter sixteen. The insectile appearance of this creature, as well as Tom's comments for this and the last page, make it likely. Well, Zimmy is looking at Katrina Donlan, not Ketrak. And this is what she sees. Ketrak is an insect psychopomp. This is an assemblage of robot, bird, and angel motifs. Kat has a strong affinity for robots, loves birds, and is - according to at least one of the robots - an angel; and the robots think the tic-toc birds might be of divine origin. So this makes sense. There are some things in the figure that seem insectoid at first glance, but when I look closer I see they are avian or angel features with a robotic overlay. For example, the wings. Having a set on the chest is odd (nowhere to attach the muscles to pull them down while in flight, but robot design has options not used in nature) and at first glance they look like dragonfly wings. Having two sets on the back is insectoid. But on closer examination all three sets have feathers. The main reason the front set look like dragonfly wings is the absence of skin between them and the body - but there's also a distinct absence of skin elsewhere, such as the arms. And angels are often depicted with two or even three sets of bird-wings.
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Post by picrasso on Jun 13, 2012 7:56:57 GMT
Also made an account to comment on this wonderfull page.
To me the first association was that of a robotic locust, but now I see the angel references too. Would this make Kat less of a human being? I can imagine Zimmy being scared of a person whose avatar is a giant machine monster.
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Post by yu2 on Jun 13, 2012 7:57:16 GMT
And this is the page that finally made me register on the forums. This is just absolutely stunning work. I was expecting to see something crazy on Wednesday... but not this.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 13, 2012 7:59:29 GMT
Huh. That's new. Tom's comment made me think, he described one of Zimmy's earlier visions as a "future distortion", what if some day, Kat's gonna actually look like that? I think it is probably Kat's ability with machines and maybe some of her self-image of a human body as a biological machine with some artistic license and greebling (note that there is a birdlike shape above her head as someone else has observed already) but there is a chance it could be a future image of a robot she is thinking about making.By the way if someone was building a case for Kat's mechanical ability to have some etheric overtones, possibly inherited ability from her mother, this image might be a piece of evidence for it. Also: I am not sure that this image should be interpreted as being dark or bleak or anything negative. The blades might be symbolic of an object or a surface altered for a purpose instead of something threatening. I look at this image as beautiful but with a completely mechanistic aesthetic. [edit] And welcome to the forums, Yu2 and Picrasso![/edit]
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Post by bonzairob on Jun 13, 2012 8:03:30 GMT
Am I the only one who thought this?
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Post by paxjax123 on Jun 13, 2012 8:07:17 GMT
Am I the only one who thought this? image! That's way less intimidating now.
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 13, 2012 8:12:44 GMT
Huh. That's new. Tom's comment made me think, he described one of Zimmy's earlier visions as a "future distortion", what if some day, Kat's gonna actually look like that? I think it is probably Kat's ability with machines and maybe some of her self-image of a human body as a biological machine with some artistic license and greebling (note that there is a birdlike shape above her head as someone else has observed already) but there is a chance it could be a future image of a robot she is thinking about making.By the way if someone was building a case for Kat's mechanical ability to have some etheric overtones, possibly inherited ability from her mother, this image might be a piece of evidence for it. Also: I am not sure that this image should be interpreted as being dark or bleak or anything negative. The blades might be symbolic of an object or a surface altered for a purpose instead of something threatening. I look at this image as beautiful but with a completely mechanistic aesthetic. [edit] And welcome to the forums, Yu2 and Picrasso![/edit] True, she has had that robot in the making for quite a while now. Hopefully she doesn't make it quite this alien-looking though Also, Anja's magic is rather interesting, while Brinnie and Surma and others have had clear reasons for their abilities (being etheric beings) have we seen anyone besides Anja who seems to be just a person who can just do magic? Not to mention she's very tech-savvy as well, what with making that insane computer for herself and Donny. The image is somewhat bleak and opressive though, but that might just be Zimmy's effect. The deep shadows, rusty tones and cracks running along the hull make it seem kind of delapitated and off-putting, but if we saw through someone other than Zimmy's lens she might be more angelic.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Jun 13, 2012 8:13:11 GMT
Would have posted earlier, but the new page gave me a bigger shock then if I was plugged into the national grid, and I had to take my car to get a MOT. So, is Kat like the Court's avatar or something? Symbolic of the technology, man reaching for godhood? Somebody said earlier that Kat was like the Tic Tocks and cameras, so she has a similar effect on Zimmy. That seems to make sense, and what's more, the effect is more intense. This is like a bad acid trip... One day Zimmy... what? I have a long standing theory that Kat, like Annie, isn't exactly human. I think she is something akin to a biological artificial lifeform, possibly to become a sort of intelligence and voice of the court. As for what Tom is saying, I have no idea. Oh look, an angel. Look, you can see the bird in her head. I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. Come to think of it, Coyote talk about how someone can be viewed how others see them, how they see themselves, and how they really are. Maybe this is one of those views. Another point is that in this chapter, the only other times when Zimmy was looking at Kat, was when either Gamma was touching/near her or when Zimmy was inside Annie's mind, which means she was seeing how Annie sees Kat. This could indicate that Zimmy has some form of ethric sight, similar to Annie when she is using her blinker stone, but cannot turn it off without Gamma.
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Post by picrasso on Jun 13, 2012 8:14:15 GMT
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Post by toasted on Jun 13, 2012 8:17:03 GMT
it makes you wonder if annie already knows. Remember when she took her up on the rooftop to explore her ether essence? Annie was probably gonna show her then and then kat got distracted.
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Post by Weeaboo on Jun 13, 2012 8:17:34 GMT
Oh, while we're talking about "terrifying", I think it's about time for that quote... Thomas Daggett, The Prophecy Wow, that kind of makes sense...
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Post by leiodaahs on Jun 13, 2012 8:20:58 GMT
Well, Zimmy is looking at Katrina Donlan, not Ketrak. And this is what she sees. Ketrak is an insect psychopomp. However, as some one else stated she creates future distortions. These distortions don't seem to necessarily show the future of the person seen, as much as they do the person seeing. Given Tom's page quote and given Zimmy's whole bug motif, it seems to me that her future death is what is appearing. She is even referred to as an insect. Zimmy hasn't really shown this kind of fear before, I think that her death and being separated might evoke this reaction. There are some things in the figure that seem insectoid at first glance, but when I look closer I see they are avian or angel features with a robotic overlay. For example, the wings. Personally the appearance has a more chitinous, masculine and entirely organic quality in my eyes. The wings don't seem to have feathers, more like veins as in insect wings. The whole Gieger-esque quality makes it difficult to be sure. Lovely art. You do bring up some good points about angels, though, I'm still not seeing it. Oh well, time and Tom will tell. Maybe.
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Post by Kriselia on Jun 13, 2012 8:26:48 GMT
Well, Zimmy is looking at Katrina Donlan, not Ketrak. And this is what she sees. Ketrak is an insect psychopomp. However, as some one else stated she creates future distortions. These distortions don't seem to necessarily show the future of the person seen, as much as they do the person seeing. Given Tom's page quote and given Zimmy's whole bug motif, it seems to me that her future death is what is appearing. She is even referred to as an insect. Zimmy hasn't really shown this kind of fear before, I think that her death and being separated might evoke this reaction. The future distortion comment was based on her vision of Renard in Sivo's body though, and that had nothing to do with Zimmy. Zimmy never even met the Renard possessed Sivo. It seems more like the "future distortions" meant that she sees things that will happen, but as unreckognisable twisted monstrosities, whether they have anything to do with her or not.
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Post by Weeaboo on Jun 13, 2012 8:31:04 GMT
I may be going out on a limb, but I believe that Zimmy is a being from the world that she hates. If I remember correctly, those who were in said world were called "nothings". That means that maybe Zimmy is a nothing as well and she's cursed to always be a nothing. The reason why the Ether makes her feel relieved is because it sort of negates any original influences from the nothings. She feels most human when the Ether touches her and cleanses her body.
Sorry if I make no sense here. But I think that Zimmy sees things, strange things, when she connects with other beings that are made mostly of Ether. Other beings that have a strong spiritual connection with that world. I also think that maybe, her mind is a sort of dimension to an alternate Gunnerkrigg of some sorts...the domain of the nothings. Where those who are rejected by the court get trapped.
However, that gets me thinking. What if the Gunnerkrigg we are seeing is some sort of Ether version? As in, we aren't in the real Gunnerkrigg but some sort of illusion, created to keep those that have strong connections with the Ether under watch by the Court?
Gosh, I've been ranting and I'm afraid I make no sense...! Excuse me while I go get my crackpot theories cleaned up from the walls.
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Post by rafk on Jun 13, 2012 8:36:41 GMT
I bet Zimmy now regrets laughing at the pigeon on Kat's head. That pigeon ain't looking so funny now!
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Post by leiodaahs on Jun 13, 2012 8:39:08 GMT
Oh, now I see the bird. Looks like a stinger to me.
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Post by arf on Jun 13, 2012 8:40:03 GMT
****>>> Behold, ye puny arachnids! Ketrak: Psychopomp of Arthropods!* <<<*** One day, Zimmy? - I now realise why this little fellow had such stage fright: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=639- and I presume Annie was using an etheric mirror here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=336So, I'm wondering if this layer has Kat at all? Whoever Zimmy whacked is bringing in some heavy mojo to drive a point home. As in 'do-not-do-that-again' (and why shouldn't Anthony have some familiarity with the same guides that Annie saw at the hospital?) *SKRITCH!
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