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Post by Afalstein on Jun 6, 2012 13:43:58 GMT
Seriously, am I the only one to find this page really creepy and oppressing, with all these memories/nobodies ganging up on Zimmy and restraining her? No. This could go downhill fast, given Zimmy's nature and the way they're grappling her like this. Annie's comment might not be too helpful either... Why on earth are their two Jacks here, anyway? Is one real and the other a memory? Does Annie have two perceptions of Jack?
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Post by yarksie on Jun 6, 2012 13:53:49 GMT
Just a theory, that mask could be a representation of Annie's emotional shutdowns whenever she is under some sort of stress or whenever she does something out of turn, like stealing Kat's homework. Sorry if this has been brought up already.
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Post by darlos9d on Jun 6, 2012 13:58:07 GMT
Also Zimmy's "BLEAGH" looks like Spades Slick. YES, I knew it reminded me of something. Right-on. For reference:
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Post by zskhaas on Jun 6, 2012 14:29:48 GMT
Well, here goes my theory. On the chapter as a whole, not only the page.
I think Annie's father was trying to suppress the fire elemental inside her. Why? As far as I know, fire elementals are engines of destruction, full of rage and all that. That would explain Surma and Anny's dialogue in Page 43 of Chapter S1 about the training.
Zimmy and Gamma are among my favourite characters on GC. I don't know why, but it's that way. Thus, I've been thinking about them. Now this is a little offtopic, but stay with me. I think Zimmy is an "ether radio", and Gamma would be her "tuner". So, the radio, by itself, would catch every thing floating around in the ether. That's why she sees those strange things when she's alone. Gamma would "tune" her senses to only see and feel the physical world. Those would be innate and, for now, uncontrollable abilities.
Zimmy might have picked up all the ether interferences Annie's dad was making with his intervention, and Gamma, as the "tuner", would have "translated" them into something threatening for Annie. Knowing Zimmy's power, she might have inferred she could do something about it.
And now, for the lastest pages. Zimmy punching someone in the face was brilliant! With that out of the way, I think she broke whatever Anthony was doing, and the "bone prison" was shattered. Maybe the backlash left her lingering in Annie's memories, but without the control. Thus, it looks like Annie's in control this time, and she's going to throw every memory related to her in Zimmy's way. Maybe an scene from "Two Strange Girls" or "Gamma Dobranoc"?
I don't know, this is just overanalizing. Probably, the truth will be much much simpler. Or much much more intrincate. I think, when the chapter finally ends, Zimmy and Annie won't be in any friendly terms. But that's only my theory. What do you think?
Man, it's been a while since I last logged in.
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 6, 2012 14:39:41 GMT
Seriously, am I the only one to find this page really creepy and oppressing, with all these memories/nobodies ganging up on Zimmy and restraining her? No, i completely agree with you.
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Post by jasmijn on Jun 6, 2012 14:49:29 GMT
I think this reaction is sufficient for the entire chapter, including the part that's yet to come:
What the what?
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Post by FlyingMug on Jun 6, 2012 14:50:31 GMT
Seriously, am I the only one to find this page really creepy and oppressing, with all these memories/nobodies ganging up on Zimmy and restraining her? I hope that Nobody Jack is the real Jack, just he has trouble getting through to Zimmy cause she took his face. He'd better save her from Jealous Annie right quick though. Zimmy x Jack sure fetched up on the reef quick. Jack is the most unluckiest in love.
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Post by Marnath on Jun 6, 2012 15:18:47 GMT
Seriously, am I the only one to find this page really creepy and oppressing, with all these memories/nobodies ganging up on Zimmy and restraining her? No, i completely agree with you. Alone in the dark being restrained by two creepy guys with an unhealthy obsession with her? Yeah, that's creeping me out. There are so many ways that could go badly for her. Let's hope she's stronger than she looks and can get away, I sort of doubt anyone can help her here.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 6, 2012 15:42:46 GMT
...on the second eyestalk, Zimmy addressing "Carver"might know what she talks about. Though not necessarily, of course. So... is that what happens when the "immune system" of the patient's mind locks on her? If it's Annie... Erk. Way to go, Carver. Hurting peoples' feelings who weren't even present, months later, while you're unconscious. Real smooth. Yes! Turn the Indignant Signal on! On a less sarcastic note, what will the fallout be from this between the three of them? [...] Zimmy didn't go looking for this, and her motives were only to help Annie. Also, the part where Zimmy " hijacked her soul to punch her dad in the face". Remember what happened when Eggers merely dropped one too much vague disparaging remark about Anthony? And when Renard later repeated this mistake, too? What do you think Annie could do if she observed this little show?.. What would make my day would be to see the meeting mediated by Parley and Smitty. Parley tend to be either overconfident or not calm enough and risks doing something stupid either way. So... Yeah. I'd like to see her discovering just how powerful, nice (in their own ways) and messed up the crew really is. That would help to shake her into good form, and in a less nasty way than with Jeanne. Seriously, am I the only one to find this page really creepy and oppressing, with all these memories/nobodies ganging up on Zimmy and restraining her? There's just not much possible meaningful things (as opposed to dwelling on creepiness for its own sake) to say about it, beyond "Bleagh!". Why on earth are their two Jacks here, anyway? Is one real and the other a memory? Does Annie have two perceptions of Jack? Note that only the first creep is faceless. So, one of these is Zimmy's own memory of Jack and two others are Annie's (most likely) or Jack's? Well, here goes my theory. On the chapter as a whole, not only the page. [...] I think Annie's father was trying to suppress the fire elemental inside her. Why? As far as I know, fire elementals are engines of destruction, full of rage and all that. That would explain Surma and Anny's dialogue in Page 43 of Chapter S1 about the training. Got secret bonelaser training part covered in the previous thread. But the middle part would explain why the wood folk tell so many wonderful stories about them...
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Post by sotha on Jun 6, 2012 16:01:36 GMT
I still think panel four would make a good reaction image.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 6, 2012 16:08:32 GMT
I hope that Nobody Jack is the real Jack, just he has trouble getting through to Zimmy cause she took his face. That would be sooo romantic! *sigh* Now maybe we'll find out if Jack's sudden crush on Zimmy was entirely a white-legs thing, or if it's a genuine feeling on his part. Honestly I hope it's more psychosis. Zimmy doesn't seem like the kind of girl who's in the market. She's got a lot on her plate, what with eldritch abominations stalking her every waking hour.
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 6, 2012 16:14:18 GMT
For some reason, I suspect the line about "deranged psychopath" will lead to Zimmy revealing to Kat that Annie copies her homework.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 6, 2012 20:15:11 GMT
Somewhat agree with Fish. I think Antimony is Antimony, just not a fully awake and aware Antimony yet. We're still in Antimony's head and Zimmy is experiencing Antimony's memories of Jack which explains what Zimmy is saying and why there are two Jacks. One Jack is the Jack Antimony "remembers" as being attracted to her (Antimony) who is holding Zimmy as Jack held Antimony in Faraway Morn. He is the "normal" Jack so he is faceless. The Jack doing the spiderman-crouch on the rail is the Jack Antimony "remembers" as being attracted to Zimmy, which is why he has a face and it looks a bit nutty and maybe mean. Antimony wants Jack to be attracted to her for whatever reason or reasons so that's why she's attacking Zimmy. She is starting to wake up and become aware that Zimmy is in her head but doesn't know that Zimmy helped. See? Perfectly simple. And page is creepy but funny. Too bad this probably won't go on very long, I'd like to see where it ends up. [edit] Forgot to mention it's not just the faces on the Jacks but the pants. Not sure why they're both wearing overcoats though. Helpful links: Blue pantsBrown pants[/edit]
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Post by Lightice on Jun 6, 2012 21:03:31 GMT
I just looked at Tom's twitter:
Awesome chapter isn't even over, and we already hear something about what's to follow. Now I can't help but wonder if Coyote's somehow interfering in the events here, or responsible for Annie's coma...
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Post by Dvandaemon on Jun 6, 2012 21:07:20 GMT
Funny thing, I checked this update over my friends shoulder while he was on the computer. I opened the page and read it while he was saying, "What....the fuck?".
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Post by csj on Jun 6, 2012 23:20:17 GMT
Fortunately, Annie also has memories of Gammy-gams.
Unless of course, this is the OTHER CARVER we're dealing with ATM. If he's in Annie's mind as well, he may be orchestrating this little frakout session.
EDIT: Since every comment in the page has already been stated by someone earlier in the comic, pretty sure these are all memories relating to her - including that time he grabbed her after his spidertrip.
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Post by rafk on Jun 6, 2012 23:26:10 GMT
For some reason, I suspect the line about "deranged psychopath" will lead to Zimmy revealing to Kat that Annie copies her homework. I don't. Partly because I don't think Zimmy cares but also because this is clearly not a straight memory (I think she's freaked out enough by the Jack-thing declaring it loves her). We the readers know that Annie actually did say those words, although in a jokey way and that isn't the EXACT line, but...
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Post by fronzel on Jun 6, 2012 23:38:29 GMT
We the readers know that Annie actually did say those words, although in a jokey way... Not really. She was trying to hurt Jack so she called the girl he professed to love nasty names.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 7, 2012 5:08:28 GMT
I just looked at Tom's twitter: Awesome chapter isn't even over, and we already hear something about what's to follow. Now I can't help but wonder if Coyote's somehow interfering in the events here, or responsible for Annie's coma... I am crossing my fingers for a forest chapter. I thought this one was going to be one, but we appear to be going off into further psychic evaluation of Carver's mind instead. Which is fine, of course, but I'm always looking forward to the explanations.
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Post by yarksie on Jun 7, 2012 5:18:50 GMT
I think this chapter will be dealing with Annie's emotional and mental state from her mothers death and everything that has happened since the first chapter. We can definately see something is wrong, whether all this is caused by an outside influence or Annie's own mind deciding to sort itself out remains to be seen. As for the whole extra creepy Jacks, I have no clue.
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Post by Marnath on Jun 7, 2012 6:46:16 GMT
Zimmy doesn't seem like the kind of girl who's in the market. She's got a lot on her plate, what with eldritch abominations stalking her every waking hour. She also already has a girlfriend. From what I can understand of her motivations she wouldn't do anything to hurt Gamma.
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Post by arf on Jun 7, 2012 8:06:15 GMT
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Post by yarksie on Jun 7, 2012 10:01:16 GMT
Calling it now, Annie does some soul searching this chapter, or Zimmy does it for her?
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 7, 2012 11:20:32 GMT
For some reason, I suspect the line about "deranged psychopath" will lead to Zimmy revealing to Kat that Annie copies her homework. I don't. Partly because I don't think Zimmy cares but also because this is clearly not a straight memory While out of context, this still leaves Annie meanie-bo-beanie. I too don't see Zimmy caring about crap like homework or much of anything, really. But she knows it's something Annie hides and Zimmy doesn't need much to taunt someone - Kat merely asked unnecessary questions. Also, it's one more good way for Kat to be directly involved in the possible screaming match. (I think she's freaked out enough by the Jack-thing declaring it loves her). There's a lot of things conducive to freaking out... ... *this* is where Bud comes sailing in with 'Hey Zims. Gimme a kiss!' ...and then these three mimic Annie's freakout, while Zimmy is too stunned to blink, not that it would do anything. And upon recovery ask the skies which of them two is crazier. Haha. I forgot that one.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 7, 2012 13:16:59 GMT
I wonder which horrifies Zimmy more: a) Annie!Jack shaking Zimmy b) Zimmy realizing that Zimmy!Jack loves her c) Annie grabbing the back of her neck d) realizing she has a fan group Miyaa, 06.06.2012, 1:46pm #
Hmmm. I'm going to go with answer D for fifty points.
"Wot? I've got a fan group? I never asked fer a bloomin' fan group! What kind of porridge brained nincompoops-"
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Post by Bob, Squirrel King on Jun 7, 2012 15:03:25 GMT
Now I'm wondering if the chapter title comes from the phrase "To err is human, to forgive is divine."
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Post by Georgie L on Jun 7, 2012 16:06:05 GMT
Zimmy doesn't seem like the kind of girl who's in the market. She's got a lot on her plate, what with eldritch abominations stalking her every waking hour. She also already has a girlfriend. From what I can understand of her motivations she wouldn't do anything to hurt Gamma. Her relationship with Gamma is more complex than that. She loves her but as a child with strong dependency loves a mother so far seems to be the case. But also she loves her in other stranger ways. But romantically, I'm not sure about that. It's a different kind of love I think.
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Post by negativeproximity on Jun 7, 2012 17:09:56 GMT
I'm not sure it's love romantically, but it may as well be. I'm not certain that Zimmy is capable of romantic love.
On the other hand, Zimmy seems to love Gamma in every way possible under the sun moon stars, and ineffable aether. Gamma is more important than the world to her, and Zimmy seems just as important to Gamma too.
So I doubt they'll be splitting up... ever really.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 7, 2012 17:18:38 GMT
We the readers know that Annie actually did say those words, although in a jokey way... Not really. She was trying to hurt Jack so she called the girl he professed to love nasty names. I'm not really sure what Antimony's true opinion of Zimmy's mental state or personality is but she has defended Zimmy a little bit in the past. As for the whole extra creepy Jacks, I have no clue. What I said earlier [except now I've dropped in some links to demonstrate why the pants are clues].
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Post by Marnath on Jun 7, 2012 17:23:27 GMT
She also already has a girlfriend. From what I can understand of her motivations she wouldn't do anything to hurt Gamma. Her relationship with Gamma is more complex than that. She loves her but as a child with strong dependency loves a mother so far seems to be the case. But also she loves her in other stranger ways. But romantically, I'm not sure about that. It's a different kind of love I think. I've seen that sentiment expressed before and it's really bewildering. I've not seen anything motherly about it.
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