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Post by Dvandaemon on May 18, 2012 16:20:24 GMT
I don't think she will, Kat's inability to see what's happening may be part of her lack of etheric aptitude, like Jones, who has been stated as unable to use a blinker stone. Just because Kat lacks etheric aptitude doesn't mean that she is immune to someone else's etheric powers. It does seem that Zimmy managed to bring Kat into her visions, and let her see what she sees. Yes it seems that way but no. Kat's dialogue suggests she does not see, and probably never will see what Zimmy sees. Also, it does not suggest immunity not having etheric aptitude, it simply means that Kat does not have the sensitivity to etheric activity to be unwillingly sucked into Zimmy's world.
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Post by atteSmythe on May 18, 2012 16:26:06 GMT
I think this is the end of the theory that it's anyone's memories but Annie. Yeah, I think so, which...man, I'm really digging this chapter, but now I really officially have no idea what's going on. And neither can Kat's father. Etheric abilities seems to be hereditary. Yeah, but her mom can, so I don't know if you can really draw that conclusion. For that matter, I suspect Annie's in the same situation.
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Post by mcbibble on May 18, 2012 16:41:54 GMT
Damn Zimmy's red stripes are hard to figure out, they're more pronounced than ever now. Maybe the more she understand Annie the more she identifies with her and gets lost in her personality? I'm starting to think that they don't mean a darn thing, besides "putting red streaks in Zimmy's hair looks cool/sinister." I know that's not much fun for our Wild Mass Guessings, but... there it is. Hair is SYMBOLIC in Gunnerkrigg, though; that's been proven time and time again. Kat's haircut, Annie's fairy braid, Red's hair going Up, Jack's crazy spider hair, Zimmy's... zimmy hair. I do not think there is any chance the red stripes are incidental. I don't like speculating , but her hair is Annie-red in places. That is important, I think; especially as Annie's hair is practically blue in RL- drained, even.
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Post by descoladavirus on May 18, 2012 17:00:23 GMT
I'm starting to think that they don't mean a darn thing, besides "putting red streaks in Zimmy's hair looks cool/sinister." I know that's not much fun for our Wild Mass Guessings, but... there it is. Hair is SYMBOLIC in Gunnerkrigg, though; that's been proven time and time again. Kat's haircut, Annie's fairy braid, Red's hair going Up, Jack's crazy spider hair, Zimmy's... zimmy hair. I do not think there is any chance the red stripes are incidental. I don't like speculating , but her hair is Annie-red in places. That is important, I think; especially as Annie's hair is practically blue in RL- drained, even. YES! but you're not thinking far enough. We know Zimmy zims is being chased by Annie's scar, and now her hair is taking on red, perhaps there's more to why only Zimmy can help Annie (if indeed that is the situation) than we know at this point Judging from that last panel, I'd say Zimmy's hair is getting red because she's releasing her control art restriction systems. HAHAHAHA! Plus one internets to you! At least there's no creepy dogs and insects when Zimmy does it... I'm really liking that grin, and just the naughtiness of Zimmy rootin' around in poor Annie's head. I'm starting to think the spiders, especially that green one from the forest scene, are simply a sign of Zimmy Zim's powers at work. Maybe after the incident with Hyland she has worked out a little bit of control, between her and the creepy crawly things that infest her subconscious. Spider paratroopers and all, last panel is amazing. I get the feeling we're all spot on, the mask is Annie's mask of normalcy around everyone else. Part the stoicness inherited from her father that covers up the quicksilver she inherited from Surma. It's nice to know that she feels bad about using Kat's hard work, maybe after this she'll be tempted to change. Of course, Kat has her own mask doesn't she City Face?
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Post by OrzBrain on May 18, 2012 17:37:29 GMT
Hmm. Interesting to see Annie doing Kat's homework for her there. I hope Kat said thanks.
So, are these white spider things going to be sticking around in Annie's head after Zimmy leaves? Because that might be bad.
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Post by TBeholder on May 18, 2012 17:49:38 GMT
Where she's going to look? Dumped memories? That perhaps could get even her reeling. Into the mask?.. Damn, Zimmy, that grin. Officially my new favorite character. Aye. Also, in Bob's cap. Awwwww. Why is Annie dreaming about Homework? That is freaking me out for some reason. She dreams merely about cheating off of Kat's. It's not that bad. "YES! YES! YES!" totally should have been the title. YES! Damn Zimmy's red stripes are hard to figure out, they're more pronounced than ever now. Maybe the more she understand Annie the more she identifies with her and gets lost in her personality? Probably that's why she was afraid. What with red hair streaks and sticky scar.
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Post by Necropaxx on May 18, 2012 18:14:09 GMT
That last panel is one of my favourite pictures of Zimmy. I can see why! Absolutely amazing!
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Post by Raph on May 18, 2012 19:39:35 GMT
It happens to be one of my favourites too, is some kind of tie with that one in Spring Heeled.
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Post by Lightice on May 18, 2012 21:59:47 GMT
I just realized, the metal clip on Annie's hair is the same as on the original page. Does anyone have any idea whether it's just some sort of accessory that I'm not familiar with, or if it has more significant purpose?
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Post by stephen on May 18, 2012 22:19:19 GMT
For reference, here's a list of some previous chapters featuring Zimmy's problem:Chapter 11: Dobranoc, Gamma -- In which Annie fills in for Gamma for a bit so Gamma can sleep. We see how Rain relieves Zimmy for the first time. Chapter 19: Power Station -- In which Zimmy gets pissed at the artificial rain and sucks Annie into her head for a bit. They encounter both Kat and Gamma in Zimmingham, but both turn out to be fake. Jack also is pulled in, this is where he gets his spiders. Chapters 27 and 28: Spring Heeled Part 1 and Part 2 -- The big crazy arc where Jack lays a trap, Jones is not a robot, and Zimmy and Annie exchange identities inside Zimmy's illusion. Anyway, we should pay attention to how Zimmy feels about Annie. I'm betting Zimmy is grinning at that mask because she's kinda glad to know it's just a mask. ALSO: Notice this page from Spring Heeled -- you see "Annie's" red hair fill with black highlights when Zimmy starts regaining her true personality. I bet that in this chapter, we might be seeing a relapse of that identity swap.
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Post by Raph on May 18, 2012 22:22:56 GMT
I just realized, the metal clip on Annie's hair is the same as on the original page. Does anyone have any idea whether it's just some sort of accessory that I'm not familiar with, or if it has more significant purpose? I don't think so, she lost it when she fell into the Annan Waters, but there's nothing else I remember. Surma was wearing a similar clip in Ties, maybe it was hers? I just noticed how funny Kat looks with a pigeon on her head from afar. I wonder if the pigeon has something to do with this or even this; I also just noticed, it is the Kat from the tree that is talking, so maybe we are in her head after all, and the pigeon was not there before she rescued City Face... ?
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Post by Per on May 18, 2012 22:42:11 GMT
THAT GLARE
It is a very nice glare
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Post by bingli on May 19, 2012 2:20:27 GMT
Why is Annie dreaming about Homework? That is freaking me out for some reason. She's dreaming about copying Kat's homework. I like how the homework was under the mask: even in her most vulnerable place, where she is closest to Kat, she is still hiding something. whao cool connection! and how Zimmy is looking INTO the mask so dun dun duunnn. I dont know exactly who said it, or I think a bunch of you suggested it...but the possibility of looking into what Annie's super secret inner thoughts/secrets is VERY EXCITING. I've never really thought before about how much about a character can easily be hidden even from the readers...hmmm....
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Post by GK Sierra on May 19, 2012 2:54:18 GMT
I'm starting to think that they don't mean a darn thing, besides "putting red streaks in Zimmy's hair looks cool/sinister." I know that's not much fun for our Wild Mass Guessings, but... there it is. Hair is SYMBOLIC in Gunnerkrigg, though; that's been proven time and time again. Kat's haircut, Annie's fairy braid, Red's hair going Up, Jack's crazy spider hair, Zimmy's... zimmy hair. I do not think there is any chance the red stripes are incidental. I don't like speculating , but her hair is Annie-red in places. That is important, I think; especially as Annie's hair is practically blue in RL- drained, even. Precisely. Tom only has a certain number of inches and panels to bring the themes across, and hair takes up, what? A third of each panel with a face in it?
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Post by TBeholder on May 19, 2012 12:31:58 GMT
Anyway, we should pay attention to how Zimmy feels about Annie. I'm betting Zimmy is grinning at that mask because she's kinda glad to know it's just a mask. Why? More likely, because it's so cute and amateurish compared to what Zimmy herself wears... I just noticed how funny Kat looks with a pigeon on her head from afar. I wonder if the pigeon has something to do with this She had a moment of enlightening in the presence of a telepath... who just communicated with a pigeon she touched... told ye, she caught head-pigeons from Paz. but the possibility of looking into what Annie's super secret inner thoughts/secrets is VERY EXCITING. So... into the FIRESTORM!
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Post by csj on May 19, 2012 14:51:03 GMT
Zimmy confirmed for Janet Jackson.
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Post by kokomuff on May 19, 2012 14:54:42 GMT
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Post by Magpie on May 19, 2012 15:35:21 GMT
I gotta say, I completely agree with Tom's comment on this one. Wow.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 19, 2012 16:10:24 GMT
It's a worldwide punomenon!
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Post by fridolina on May 19, 2012 21:25:40 GMT
Yeah, but her mom can, so I don't know if you can really draw that conclusion. For that matter, I suspect Annie's in the same situation. What was I thinking?
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Post by wombat on May 20, 2012 19:03:46 GMT
I just realized, the metal clip on Annie's hair is the same as on the original page. Does anyone have any idea whether it's just some sort of accessory that I'm not familiar with, or if it has more significant purpose? I don't think so, she lost it when she fell into the Annan Waters, but there's nothing else I remember. Surma was wearing a similar clip in Ties, maybe it was hers? That's actually very interesting to me, I never noticed that Annie wore a hair clip for the first seven chapters and then just...didn't. It's actually a pretty mice touch. Surma can be seen with them here in Ties, as you mentioned, and it looks like she has two; Anja is shown wearing one in this flashback.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 20, 2012 22:08:09 GMT
The problem with the mask being representative of Annie's "everything is fine" facade, is that Jones gives it to her. Additionally Annie's normal hair is not as red as the streaks shown in Zimmy's. It's closer to the red of Annie's etheric cut. Also, notice that in the "real world" Zimmy's hair is her normal black - the red streaks (which DO match Annie's etheric hair) are only visible within the dream/etheric world.
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Post by mcbibble on May 20, 2012 22:21:38 GMT
The problem with the mask being representative of Annie's "everything is fine" facade, is that Jones gives it to her. After Annie ran to the forest, Jones chastised her about letting her emotions get the better of her, saying she'd endangered a lot of people. Maybe the mask is representative of that? Jones telling Annie to watch herself.
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Post by Marnath on May 20, 2012 22:24:42 GMT
That's actually very interesting to me, I never noticed that Annie wore a hair clip for the first seven chapters and then just...didn't. It's actually a pretty mice touch. Surma can be seen with them here in Ties, as you mentioned, and it looks like she has two; Anja is shown wearing one in this flashback. She lost it when she fell into the Annan.
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Post by djublonskopf on May 20, 2012 22:37:26 GMT
The problem with the mask being representative of Annie's "everything is fine" facade, is that Jones gives it to her. I don't see any indication that these scenes are chronological, nor that they have absolute parallels in real-life. After all, Annie apparently has the mask at the cherry tree, before she ever meets Jones in the comic, and long before her encounter with Kamlen in the woods.
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Post by wombat on May 20, 2012 23:20:42 GMT
That's actually very interesting to me, I never noticed that Annie wore a hair clip for the first seven chapters and then just...didn't. It's actually a pretty mice touch. Surma can be seen with them here in Ties, as you mentioned, and it looks like she has two; Anja is shown wearing one in this flashback. She lost it when she fell into the Annan. Yeah, I got that.
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Post by Lightice on May 21, 2012 0:17:57 GMT
I don't see any indication that these scenes are chronological, nor that they have absolute parallels in real-life. After all, Annie apparently has the mask at the cherry tree, before she ever meets Jones in the comic, and long before her encounter with Kamlen in the woods. They don't have to be chronological, but they all must follow some line of logic. There is a reason why Jones was the one to give Annie the mask, even if we don't know it yet. I have two related theories on that: 1) Jones is Annie's chief adult role model at the moment, and she seeks to imitate her approach to things, consciously or unconsciously. And that means heaps of stoicism that Annie can't quite pull off succesfully. Hence it's Jones handing her the mask in the dream to ward off her uncomfortable feelings. Or, 2) Annie has met Jones before, possibly while she was still with her mother in the hospital, but doesn't have a conscious memory of it. But again, Jones's demeanour made such an impression on her that it's still influencing her behaviour. I'm almost certain that my theory number 1 has some merit to it, while number 2 is just idle speculation.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 21, 2012 1:17:04 GMT
I don't see any indication that these scenes are chronological, nor that they have absolute parallels in real-life. After all, Annie apparently has the mask at the cherry tree, before she ever meets Jones in the comic, and long before her encounter with Kamlen in the woods. They don't have to be chronological, but they all must follow some line of logic. There is a reason why Jones was the one to give Annie the mask, even if we don't know it yet. I have two related theories on that: 1) Jones is Annie's chief adult role model at the moment, and she seeks to imitate her approach to things, consciously or unconsciously. And that means heaps of stoicism that Annie can't quite pull off succesfully. Hence it's Jones handing her the mask in the dream to ward off her uncomfortable feelings. Or, 2) Annie has met Jones before, possibly while she was still with her mother in the hospital, but doesn't have a conscious memory of it. But again, Jones's demeanour made such an impression on her that it's still influencing her behaviour. I'm almost certain that my theory number 1 has some merit to it, while number 2 is just idle speculation. I don't think Antimony needs any help from Jones to be stoic and unflinching, she had that already, courtesy of Carver Sr's genes and wondrous, hands-on parental style. Really, somebody give that guy a medal. He knows how to be a dad.
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Post by TheLaughingMan on May 21, 2012 5:13:08 GMT
I don't think Antimony needs any help from Jones to be stoic and unflinching, she had that already, courtesy of Carver Sr's genes and wondrous, hands-on parental style. Really, somebody give that guy a medal. He knows how to be a dad. Nah, Gendo always wins top honors. He could shoot for silver, but then he's running up against Vader, and that guy has multiple degrees in feel-good doting fatherhood.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 21, 2012 5:21:12 GMT
DJublon: It's all a dream, though, so chronology doesn't need to matter that much. I think mcbibble might be on to something, though. Also note that she took the mask off when she was with Kat... but then put it down on top of the homework she was cribbing. Additionally, when she put the mask on and took it off again, the forest scene vanished. Possibly significant?
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