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Post by warrl on Jan 7, 2012 2:41:54 GMT
If Jones finds this sort of lesson "most interesting", I think she'd get along better with Kat than with Annie.
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Post by g1andyp on Jan 7, 2012 6:34:04 GMT
Do believe today's comic made my head explode.
I was told there would be no math...
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mariposa
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Post by mariposa on Jan 7, 2012 7:28:37 GMT
A friend and I thought maybe they're typing because they weren't taught to write.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 7, 2012 10:24:36 GMT
... the female person in the background of that same panel looks like the one on the right here from the Red Returns chapter. same bangs, similar hair in back though only one cheek blush-circle. Also: +1 for double-jointed teacher. Actually I think the girl behind the boy (?) in panel 5 is her. You may be proved correct in future comics but for now my counterargument is that the sideburn-thingers are too long and the bangs are too short, though admittedly that one has both cheek-circles. Fairies are supposed to be one-jointed? Unknown but it is really tough for a human person like me to write on a blackboard like that, let alone that neatly in a diagram. Color me impressed. Looks like the kind of lesson that teaches you literally nothing. I dunno, all my math and science teachers looked either like this guy or his obese cousin. If I were a nerdboy in this class not only would I be paying close attention to the lecture but I'd be thinking about brushing up on cone segments after school. Although, I admit you do have to watch out for teachers who are lecturing with their nose in the text like that, it can be a sign that they don't really know what they're teaching. Sometimes what happens is that the class studies the text at home and then loses whatever they learned on their own during the lecture. But those can be fun teachers as well... If you start asking questions that get them off the lecture plan they get confused and lost. And if somehow you can hide their teacher's edition text they panic, can't deliver the lecture and blow off class. [edit] And welcome to the forums, g1andyp! [/edit]
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Post by csj on Jan 7, 2012 12:08:28 GMT
My school had a number of average teachers, but also a few brilliant ones. The Physics/Chemistry teacher was actually the most engaging and intelligent of the lot, though a few of our maths teachers weren't find behind in terms of wit. Rare, but you can get them.
This was a game our class would play on a few teachers notorious for going off on tangents. I even had a semi-debate with one of my religion teachers once which basically screwed the entire lesson.
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Post by rama on Jan 7, 2012 13:13:28 GMT
Unknown but it is really tough for a human person like me to write on a blackboard like that, let alone that neatly in a diagram. Color me impressed. Maybe it's one of those things that no one really explained to the fairies? They seem to be more agile in general, like how red could lay comfortably on the walkway rail. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=321Although, I admit you do have to watch out for teachers who are lecturing with their nose in the text like that, it can be a sign that they don't really know what they're teaching. Sometimes what happens is that the class studies the text at home and then loses whatever they learned on their own during the lecture. Who says it has to be a book on math? We don't see anything that gives away the content of it. She's just that much of an amazing multitasker, teaching on the blackboard and making some progress in her favourite adventure novel at the same time.
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Post by cass on Jan 8, 2012 0:14:22 GMT
Eh, teachers who just read notes aren't so bad, in their place. I had a lovely four year holiday thanks to them. That and the fact that you only really had to be there for the exams at the end of term.
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That said, this isn't the place. Stuck in a room like that.... No questions... how much learning is the teacher really contributing to? If you can just buy the book....
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 8, 2012 13:37:05 GMT
So, here we see a cute half-fairy wearing clothes that prove proper color-coordination, reading orbital mechanics stuff while drawing illustrations with her left hand while facing away from the chalkboard. Conclusion: it's a really weird variety of fanservice. If Jones finds this sort of lesson "most interesting", I think she'd get along better with Kat than with Annie. Kat would probably qualify as "interesting", but it depends on whether Jones knows about code reading. Then again, if antigravity didn't attract her interest... Looks like the kind of lesson that teaches you literally nothing. It, ah, depends. A friend and I thought maybe they're typing because they weren't taught to write. Like with chairs vs. maglev? ;D Quite possible. Unknown but it is really tough for a human person like me to write on a blackboard like that, let alone that neatly in a diagram. Color me impressed. I don't see the joints as the problem here. Writing with her left hand and behind the back, though...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 8, 2012 17:46:11 GMT
Stuck in a room like that.... No questions... how much learning is the teacher really contributing to? If you can just buy the book.... The counter-argument has always been that students need to see reinforcement of what they've read and learned on their own, even if only once, and that the opportunity exists for them to ask questions even if none ever do. Sadly in my humble experience that argument is mostly crap. If you don't have practical reinforcement through repeated application and an environment that facilitates question-asking then retention beyond exams will be near zero. If you are in an institution who's only standard of success is exams then one-way lectures and some homework are fine. [We haven't seen enough of this lecture to be sure but I assume the students are following along on their computers and either doing or preparing to do some sort of practical exercise.] It is interesting to see Red here learning advanced maths considering how long she's been at Court (even without summer holidays). I can think of four possible reasons. Most likely, Court has some excellent remedial teaching methods, possibly using etheric sciences. Another possibility is that fairies in the wild are better versed in math than I thought, or maybe those driven to take the test are seeking out comforts like those that mathematics and such provide and therefore excel naturally. Lastly, perhaps the Court is just ramming students through advanced classes hoping that it will shake loose those with natural aptitude. In that case Red is here because her age cohort is here. Unknown but it is really tough for a human person like me to write on a blackboard like that, let alone that neatly in a diagram. Color me impressed. I don't see the joints as the problem here. Writing with her left hand and behind the back, though... Who said there was a problem? I'm not diagnosing her with a degenerative disease or saying Mr. Siddell is a bad artist, I'm just observing that she's displaying greater than normal ulnar adduction. That's an indication that for whatever reason she may be extra-bendy, and that's just excellent. I stand by my "+1." So, here we see a cute half-fairy wearing clothes that prove proper color-coordination, reading orbital mechanics stuff while drawing illustrations with her left hand while facing away from the chalkboard. Conclusion: it's a really weird variety of fanservice. You left out the very reasonable assumption that because she's a former fairy she's probably a good dancer, too. She's got an interesting workplace there, and I'd also argue that teaching orbital mechanics offers greater than normal odds for her being smart and academically-inclined. If you tally everything up I think she's making a good first impression but to each his own. Not sure "fanservice" applies but I'll let other people argue about that.
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Post by cass on Jan 9, 2012 4:20:52 GMT
The counter-argument has always been that students need to see reinforcement of what they've read and learned on their own, even if only once, and that the opportunity exists for them to ask questions even if none ever do. Sadly in my humble experience that argument is mostly crap. If you don't have practical reinforcement through repeated application and an environment that facilitates question-asking then retention beyond exams will be near zero. If you are in an institution who's only standard of success is exams then one-way lectures and some homework are fine. [We haven't seen enough of this lecture to be sure but I assume the students are following along on their computers and either doing or preparing to do some sort of practical exercise.] Sorry, I wasn’t very clear. I think the class is an intellectual cargo-cult and the teacher is contributing about as much to learning as if she was helping them memorise the first thousand digits of pi. The value added by learning the 1000th digit is not much more than the 999th digit. Indeed, all you really need to know about pi* is that it’s the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter; when people get out of school they either write down long bits of info, or make them up at need following on from an understanding of the underlying principles. *Okay, I lied, you don’t really need to know anything about pi. You should really be using the ratio of the circumference to the radius - it makes many calculations far simpler. Mmm, Tau...The sentiment in exam standards for a very long time (thought it has been becoming more pronounced in the last fifteen years) has been, “Teach kids lots of equations and we’ll have great scientists!” Equations are tools for investigating the relationships between numbers - and numbers are tools for counting things. So, equations are really useful tools in science. However, possession of the tools does not make one a master scientist any more than possession of a shed makes one a master gardener. At best, it makes you someone who executes a given procedure in the presence of a stimulus that says, ‘activate the procedure.’ And at a fundamental level that’s not investigating the relationship between numbers, that’s using a relationship that someone else has found for you and instructed you to use. And anyone with access to the equation and a small bit of search information can do that just as well as you can with far less training. The whole focus of lessons where someone recites an equation at you, no matter how good they are at getting you to remember it, is wrong. Gathering more tools, remembering ever more complex equations, is nothing more than hoarding shiny objects. And fair enough, long equations do look impressive and, when the parent looks at them and can’t understand it, the child looks impressive too. However, we’re essentially creating human magpies. It’s not particularly surprising we don’t get very many mathematicians or scientists. By and large, we don’t teach those subject. You’ve got to actually go out and do some gardening if you want to get gardeners, got to practice working out how things work if you want to get scientists. It is interesting to see Red here learning advanced maths considering how long she's been at Court (even without summer holidays). I can think of four possible reasons. Most likely, Court has some excellent remedial teaching methods, possibly using etheric sciences. Another possibility is that fairies in the wild are better versed in math than I thought, or maybe those driven to take the test are seeking out comforts like those that mathematics and such provide and therefore excel naturally. Lastly, perhaps the Court is just ramming students through advanced classes hoping that it will shake loose those with natural aptitude. In that case Red is here because her age cohort is here. Or perhaps fairies have a neurology better suited to getting the sort of results they're looking for from rote learning.
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