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Post by Amethyst on Aug 31, 2011 22:29:52 GMT
...if you know what I mean... They are fifteen years old.
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Post by Refugee on Aug 31, 2011 22:34:19 GMT
Anyone else think that maybe she was trying to explain to him that she didn't give him the stone as a romantic gesture? It doesn't seem to have been a gift, more just satisfying his curiosity. Plus, I hope she'd be a bit more...ceremonial about it if she meant it in a romantic way. Maybe this deals with the larger story arc of speculations regarding Annie and Kat's sexuality? I hope not. I'd be disappointed in Jack if that's all it was.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 31, 2011 22:35:36 GMT
...if you know what I mean... They are fifteen years old. Even younger, I think they're about 13 right now. This page has me all 3 kinds of confused, but I'm still loving it. Cue the third story being how Coyote taught Annie how to attract a boy. "Just tell him you don't like him to his face, it'll drive him mad! With desire, of course..." Plus: I wonder what Jack is looking at in panel 6... It's probably nothing.
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Post by thor on Aug 31, 2011 22:55:23 GMT
They are fifteen years old. Even younger, I think they're about 13 right now. And when has being 13 ever stopped people from engaging in "if you know what I mean"? Though I'm sure we won't see any evidence that any student at the Court might be romantically precocious outside of a touch of snogging, or Janet and Winsbury's advanced ninja hand-holding. The Morality Police can just go back to the station for now. Don't worry -- should something less than wholesome occur on-panel, we'll know to expect you.
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Post by Eisenblume on Aug 31, 2011 23:26:09 GMT
...if you know what I mean... They are fifteen years old. I was kidding. I am truly sorry if I have offended you (and I am not sarcastic) but it was a harmless joke, in the style of "that's what she said". Besides, 15 is very much legal where I come from, and not that unusual really. Also, I do not expect any "intense sparring" in this series and would be somewhat disappointed if there was. It would ruin the innocence of it, I find. Though a little snog to confirm a ship of mine would of course not be frowned upon in the least...
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Post by basser on Sept 1, 2011 0:37:21 GMT
SLOPPY MAKEOUTS.
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Post by Afalstein on Sept 1, 2011 0:43:09 GMT
Anyone else think that maybe she was trying to explain to him that she didn't give him the stone as a romantic gesture? Not a bad idea, but I doubt Jack even knows about the possible significance of that. Annie only knows because Anja told her about it. Which makes it even MORE unlikely that she's being serious here, because she did a romantic gesture that she knew Jack wouldn't even catch. And is Annie insulted as well as surprised? Pompous teenager, do you want people suffering over you? It's not very flattering to have someone be RELIEVED that you're breaking up with them.
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Post by strangebloke on Sept 1, 2011 0:51:05 GMT
I doubt their relationship is going anywhere fast. Tom seems to like to take his time and build things up before hitting us with chapters like "fire spike." This year might end with a confirmed ship or two, but I seriously doubt that its going to happen for awhile.
I may have to bite my tongue.
On a different note, does anyone miss the pre-fire-spike Annie? She feels like a totally different character now, and what's more, it feels like she's lost a lot of depth. Now, I'm willing to let Tom take his time, but I do hope we actually get to SEE a bit of that character development. One of the nice things about this comic is that all character development has happened on-screen, with whole chapters giving us just tiny little tweaks. ("A week for Kat," "Residential," "A bad start," and others.)
I hope Tom doesn't just gloss over what seems to be an almost complete character rewrite. Did Annie just turn into Surma overnight? If we don't see it happen, it doesn't feel as though it did.
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Post by Ashley Y on Sept 1, 2011 0:59:03 GMT
She feels like a totally different character now, and what's more, it feels like she's lost a lot of depth. Now, I'm willing to let Tom take his time, but I do hope we actually get to SEE a bit of that character development. I think you're seeing character development right now.
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Post by wombat on Sept 1, 2011 0:59:25 GMT
On a different note, does anyone miss the pre-fire-spike Annie? She feels like a totally different character now, and what's more, it feels like she's lost a lot of depth. Now, I'm willing to let Tom take his time, but I do hope we actually get to SEE a bit of that character development. One of the nice things about this comic is that all character development has happened on-screen, with whole chapters giving us just tiny little tweaks. ("A week for Kat," "Residential," "A bad start," and others.) I hope Tom doesn't just gloss over what seems to be an almost complete character rewrite. Did Annie just turn into Surma overnight? If we don't see it happen, it doesn't feel as though it did. I was just thinking that I felt more...connected, I guess? to the old Annie. Of course, feeling connected to Annie took me until chapter 8, so I'm willing to give this new personality time. I would like to see her have some "relapse" or something to her old personality, though. I miss it.
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Post by strangebloke on Sept 1, 2011 1:13:31 GMT
I think you're seeing character development right now. Most of the development has already happened. There is no concievable way that Annie could have pulled this off three chapter ago. Sure, what we see onscreen is still slow and subtle, but we're missing all that stuff that happened in between.
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 1, 2011 2:18:01 GMT
I don't know why anyone thinks Annie gave the stone to Jack. He wanted to try it (again, actually, since he snagged it during the camping trip) and she handed it over, but that doesn't mean it's a gift, any more than it was a gift when she handed it over to Anja.
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Post by Eversist on Sept 1, 2011 3:40:01 GMT
Jack's next line: "I wouldn't want you falling in love with me right off the bat. I didn't want this to be easy."
Or something equally smarmy. <3
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Post by aviana on Sept 1, 2011 6:11:12 GMT
JACK: ...And so you see, Annie, as the descendent of an ancient spider elemental, it is my fate to die if I ever have a child. Oh geez, that was WAY funnier than it should have been.
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Post by rafk on Sept 1, 2011 9:06:26 GMT
On a different note, does anyone miss the pre-fire-spike Annie? She feels like a totally different character now, and what's more, it feels like she's lost a lot of depth. Now, I'm willing to let Tom take his time, but I do hope we actually get to SEE a bit of that character development. One of the nice things about this comic is that all character development has happened on-screen, with whole chapters giving us just tiny little tweaks. ("A week for Kat," "Residential," "A bad start," and others.) I hope Tom doesn't just gloss over what seems to be an almost complete character rewrite. Did Annie just turn into Surma overnight? If we don't see it happen, it doesn't feel as though it did. I was just thinking that I felt more...connected, I guess? to the old Annie. Of course, feeling connected to Annie took me until chapter 8, so I'm willing to give this new personality time. I would like to see her have some "relapse" or something to her old personality, though. I miss it. I'm sure we'll get flashbacks and more references to Annie's time in the forest, it's just not time for that yet. I think there's further to go in the story of a rift between Annie and Kat, and we're seeing part of the cause right now: Annie is definitely more emotionally mature and socially advanced than Kat (which is funny, 'cos it wasn't that long ago that Annie was completely obligious to Parley and Smitty and Kat had to drag her away). Kat was uncomfortable doing this overnight thing to begin with, it has only got more awkward for her and you can bet that Annie's going to keep pushing boundaries that Kat isn't comfortable with. When that story advances, then I think we'll see the truth behind Annie's stay in the forest. Or it could be the 3rd story. I have no success in predicting Tom.
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Post by marv on Sept 1, 2011 10:27:40 GMT
Or he's saying "phew" in an "I should have known" kind of way I think he's saying it in an "oh crap I crashed and burned - time to salvage some dignity" kind of way.
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Post by wynne on Sept 1, 2011 13:58:19 GMT
On a different note, does anyone miss the pre-fire-spike Annie? She feels like a totally different character now, and what's more, it feels like she's lost a lot of depth. Now, I'm willing to let Tom take his time, but I do hope we actually get to SEE a bit of that character development. ("A week for Kat," "Residential," "A bad start," and others.) I hope Tom doesn't just gloss over what seems to be an almost complete character rewrite. Did Annie just turn into Surma overnight? If we don't see it happen, it doesn't feel as though it did. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Annie's personality change isn't too farfetched (emphasis on "too"). After all, this was pretty much the first time in the entire comic where Annie spent a significant amount of time outside of the Court. I feel it's a bit like when shy geeky kids go to a nerdy summer camp; they get to socialize with people they actually feel comfortable around (though Annie was hardly ostracized after Residential), and those two or three weeks can help them gain more social skills than an entire school year with people who expect them to be shy and nerdly. I do agree that this personality change is still rather sudden, and I do wish we could see what happened in the forest, but such is life. Knowing Tom, Annie's probably brainwashed or something, and her new outgoing personality is actually a sign that something's terribly, terribly wrong.
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Post by jandor on Sept 1, 2011 16:05:23 GMT
Annie was kind of outgoing before, its generally NOT the shy nerdy kids that judo flip people.
She was never socially great, but I always assumed it was the other kids not really making an effort with her. She arrived half way through the first year, became friends with the teachers kid, a ghost, a robot and a shadow man. The forest trip had her presumably make friends with kids her own age (ok... elf kids, but still) and get more used to that sort of interaction. But she honestly doesn't seem that different, just slightly more... comfortable(?) with the other children, as opposed to the stranger friends she has.
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Post by indie2 on Sept 1, 2011 17:21:48 GMT
They are fifteen years old. Even younger, I think they're about 13 right now. ok, just to let everyone know, they're about 13/14 right now. uk, school years go like this. normal secondary school years. year 7 = 11/12 year 8 = 12/13 year 9 = 13/14 year 10 = 14/15 year 11 = 15/16 sixth form (i dunno whether gunnerkrigg goes up to these) year 12 = 16/17 year 13 = 17/18 dunno, whether this was needed but i thought i'd explain anyway because i have no idea where some people got that they were 15 from.
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Post by vollie on Sept 1, 2011 17:35:16 GMT
sixth form (i dunno whether gunnerkrigg goes up to these). According to the formspring this is where Parley is, so I assume it does.
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Post by indie2 on Sept 1, 2011 17:38:23 GMT
sixth form (i dunno whether gunnerkrigg goes up to these). According to the formspring this is where Parley is, so I assume it does. haha, ah, yes. if she was in year 10 at the start she would be in year 12 now. and that means smitty's in year 11. that's weird...it seems too old...
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 1, 2011 18:05:18 GMT
(which is funny, 'cos it wasn't that long ago that Annie was completely obligious to Parley and Smitty and Kat had to drag her away). Annie knew before that chapter that Andrew and Parley liked each other and couldn't spit it out. She wasn't oblivious to their feelings in "The Coward Heart"; she just didn't see why their kissy times should take precedence over figuring out the Jeanne situation right then and there.
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Post by troll on Sept 1, 2011 19:02:22 GMT
You know, Annie has picked up an odd vicious edge to her recently. Used to be, she'd blow up when stressed. Lately, she's kind of gleefully mean in inconsequential ways.
I'm waiting for Tom to tell me what's going on.
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Post by Eversist on Sept 1, 2011 19:25:47 GMT
dunno, whether this was needed but i thought i'd explain anyway because i have no idea where some people got that they were 15 from. I think people have the habit of associating years that the webcomic has been around to years that go by inside the webcomic. Thanks for typing that guide out!
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Post by Bobbey on Sept 1, 2011 21:59:11 GMT
My take on things would be that Annie is teasing Jack to see his reaction. At first, Jack is genuinely crushed (kinda like when you feel like your heart just dropped down through your body. There's also the fact that he couldn't really express his feelings towards her right before she left for the forest, which means he had to keep it for himself during an entire summer. When he finally thought he could finally say something, he got shot down), but then he tried to play it off by hiding his disappointment by retorting something that Annie would not expect, which worked. Annie does like him, but she is also crushed by his ''Phew!''.
So, I'd qualify this as mean-teasing from both parties.
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Post by myzelf on Sept 2, 2011 1:30:11 GMT
...if you know what I mean... They are fifteen years old. And average onset of puberty these days is what, eleven?
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Post by wynne on Sept 2, 2011 3:28:06 GMT
Annie was kind of outgoing before, its generally NOT the shy nerdy kids that judo flip people. Haha! True! I just meant that taking a break with people you're not as socially awkward around can help with social skills, and shy kids at nerd camp was the prime example that came to mind.
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Post by basser on Sept 2, 2011 4:47:10 GMT
They are fifteen years old. And average onset of puberty these days is what, eleven? Eight, actually. Though you're right that things generally don't get into full swing until around 11-12. I think the current average age of first sexual encounter is around 15/16 in developed countries. Of course I think we can all agree that having this turn into a teenage lovefest, regardless of age, would be hugely uncomfortable for everyone involved so let's just not even think about it shall we?
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Post by key on Sept 2, 2011 4:50:16 GMT
WE'VE BEEN HAD. Or have we? Look at Annie's expression. Does that really look like the expression of someone turning someone down? I wonder if maybe the people who say she was teasing are right. I wish I could see her face in the 5th and 6th panels! If she was teasing: Did Jack figure it out and is teasing back? Or did he just make the biggest mistake of his life? Or perhaps he's relieved that there's still some of the old Annie in there... Annie was kind of outgoing before, its generally NOT the shy nerdy kids that judo flip people. Has Annie judo flipped someone before?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 2, 2011 5:04:43 GMT
Has Annie judo flipped someone before? Yes.Also: Welcome to the forum, Key and all other new and longtime lurker people! We have an introductions thread buried somewhere with all the standard questions to answer or not, if you so desire.
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