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Post by zylonbane on Mar 23, 2011 17:34:02 GMT
So what does that make Annie for trying to force Kat to be her friend again through poorly-engineered schemes? An emotionally manipulative glorious bastard, of course.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 23, 2011 17:38:24 GMT
Well, looks like Kat's starting to have some fun with Annie's shenanigans. Yes. Which raises the question. Let's face it: asking Red to act was bound to end with her botching the plan in a borderline slapstick. So, does this indicate that Annie really lost her touch... or improved it? By the end of this Annie will have run out of rarely-seen characters to rope into her wacky schemes. Then she'll resort to Boxbot. That will end in tears. I only hope that before everyone collapses in laughter and/or tears, those two other ex-faries join this circus - they're cute and apparently like mischief, so it's bound to be fun. Annie must have "hired" Red to be the "mad fairy uprising" Basil's talking about. But Red went seriously off the rails and started improvising XD Thus, it is a mad fairy uprising after all! Those who cried "crying wolf" were right and may get a pinch of cookie crumbles each. Annie would have to unbolt Doorbot from his door. And drag his legless body to the dorm. It may be easier to move the door.
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 23, 2011 17:46:51 GMT
So what does that make Annie for trying to force Kat to be her friend again through poorly-engineered schemes? An emotionally manipulative glorious bastard, of course. Well, only if she actually succeeds, of course.
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Post by smjjames on Mar 23, 2011 17:51:27 GMT
Annie would have to unbolt Doorbot from his door. And drag his legless body to the dorm. It may be easier to move the door. With Doorbot protesting loudly the whole way.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Mar 23, 2011 18:40:31 GMT
oh lord. I too am LAUGHING ON LINE. LAUGHING OUT LOUD, even.
only I'm LAUGHING more at these forum comments than the actual comic, so.
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Post by rainofsteel on Mar 23, 2011 19:45:39 GMT
I was just laughing my rear off by the end of today's page.
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Post by guyy on Mar 23, 2011 20:29:26 GMT
...and the Baztastic Basil suddenly returns from his 29-chapter non-returning! What's next? Generic Old Teacher Guy from chapter 1? [insert Tom saying "no" here]
Also who are you calling Tubsalot, you...chubbylex...bulbous-aur?
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Post by Amethyst on Mar 23, 2011 20:31:59 GMT
Man, Eglamore, put a shirt on.
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Post by ryos on Mar 23, 2011 20:36:12 GMT
Sorry guys, but this just is not working for me. Sure it's great seeing all these classic characters again, and the last few strips have been entertaining enough in a standalone sense. But taken in the context of the entire chapter thus far, there's some serious emotional discontinuity going on. Consider the catalyst of the current events. Upon being reunited after weeks apart, Kat rejects Annie and walks away, literally turning her back on her. Yet today, Kat claims that she's "...not even really upset with her." There seem to be only two logical explanations for this behavior-- 1) Kat is giving Annie the cold shoulder to make her experience the same sense of rejection that Kat experienced. This paints Kat as a petty, emotionally manipulative b****. 2) Kat is not upset with Annie because she's no longer anything with Annie. She's written her off, stopped caring, and moved on. Clearly, neither one of these are desirable. So y'all pardon me if I don't join in with the har-hars and yuck-yucks. Or maybe she just doesn't know what to say. Honestly, how would YOU react to Annie's compound stupidity here? (I mean, really. She's either got a brilliant master plan, or she's being monumentally thick. Either way, I promised myself I'd stop taking this seriously, so ya, epic lulz and whatnot.)
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Post by itrogash on Mar 23, 2011 20:49:53 GMT
heh, it'd be better for Kat to stop this madness immediatley. You know, before Annie'll use Ketrak
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Post by kelantar on Mar 23, 2011 21:27:34 GMT
Basil! And who would think this was Eglamore? I thought it was Paz (I actually did a double take because I thought Kat said, "Rockin' goatee, Paz!"). I only hope that before everyone collapses in laughter and/or tears, those two other ex-faries join this circus - they're cute and apparently like mischief, so it's bound to be fun. "Oh look, Annie has reconciled with her friend! This makes me happy!" As Annie and Kat get tomatoes wanged at them. There seem to be only two logical explanations for this behavior-- 1) Kat is giving Annie the cold shoulder to make her experience the same sense of rejection that Kat experienced. This paints Kat as a petty, emotionally manipulative b****. 2) Kat is not upset with Annie because she's no longer anything with Annie. She's written her off, stopped caring, and moved on. I think the problem here is that you're assuming that this follows logic. Logically, Kat KNOWS why Annie ran off into the forest, and actually says she feels bad about feeling mad even though she was feeling sad. It's not a logical thing Kat's doing at all, it's an emotional response. Look at it this way: Kat's feelings are hurt. She expressed that in a VERY mature way saying that she's feeling a bunch of different stuff and overall, doesn't know how she really feels about the whole debacle. Really, she's just expressing her feelings and being honest, as opposed to bottling it up and either pushing Annie away or pretending nothing ever happened.
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Post by todd on Mar 23, 2011 22:16:29 GMT
The only not!human/at least somewhat weird characters I can think of left are Zimmy and Gamma and Rey, but I doubt she'll use Rey unless as a last resort. And Zimmy and Gamma probably won't get involved, since they seldom show any interest in what's going on at the Court unless it affects Zimmy's etheric quirks. Zimmy's world is Gamma; Gamma's world is Zimmy.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Mar 23, 2011 23:17:25 GMT
I just noticed, not only is Basil sporting that goatee, he's also got a couple of new earrings on the left. Looking sharp there, Baz.
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Post by legion on Mar 24, 2011 0:15:08 GMT
Zimmy's world is Gamma; Gamma's world is Zimmy. Gamma World D:?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 24, 2011 1:29:34 GMT
Here's hoping that Annie ropes horsebot into this scheme somehow.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 24, 2011 2:15:25 GMT
Hmmm... Bob Sutton. He works in decontamination habitats, after all. It may be easier to move the door. With Doorbot protesting loudly the whole way. See "bewildering powers of deception and trickery". "Oh look, Annie has reconciled with her friend! This makes me happy!" As Annie and Kat get tomatoes wanged at them. Let's face it: they sort of deserved a bucket or so. Really, she's just expressing her feelings and being honest, as opposed to bottling it up and either pushing Annie away or pretending nothing ever happened. I half-expected Annie to say "I guess so, thanks for trying". Zimmy's world is Gamma; Gamma's world is Zimmy. unfortunately for her, Zimmy's world is Zim City. Here's hoping that Annie ropes horsebot into this scheme somehow. ;D Also, i'm curious how Jones is going to comment this fun.
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Post by zylonbane on Mar 24, 2011 2:25:06 GMT
Kat's feelings are hurt. She expressed that in a VERY mature way saying that she's feeling a bunch of different stuff and overall, doesn't know how she really feels about the whole debacle. Really, she's just expressing her feelings and being honest, as opposed to bottling it up and either pushing Annie away or pretending nothing ever happened. But she just said she's not "not even really upset" at Annie. If she's not angry, why is she being so indifferent to her? Furthermore, Annie clearly thinks Kat's upset, based on what Kat said to her. So for Kat to deliberately allow Annie to think she's still mad at her is messed up. Kat had no way of knowing that Annie would respond to her snubbing with wacky hijinks. She could have just as easily ran back to her room and had another emotional breakdown.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 24, 2011 2:31:58 GMT
Kat's feelings are hurt. She expressed that in a VERY mature way saying that she's feeling a bunch of different stuff and overall, doesn't know how she really feels about the whole debacle. Really, she's just expressing her feelings and being honest, as opposed to bottling it up and either pushing Annie away or pretending nothing ever happened. But she just said she's not "not even really upset" at Annie. If she's not angry, why is she being so indifferent to her? Because she was upset before, but Annie's repeated attempts to make things right are getting through to Kat. Note that on yesterday's page, when asked if she was upset with Annie, her reply was "No... I don't know"; and now, she's certain that she's no longer upset with Annie.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 24, 2011 3:19:04 GMT
But she just said she's not "not even really upset" at Annie. If she's not angry, why is she being so indifferent to her? Because she was upset before, but Annie's repeated attempts to make things right are getting through to Kat. Note that on yesterday's page, when asked if she was upset with Annie, her reply was "No... I don't know"; and now, she's certain that she's no longer upset with Annie. Agreed, though I would say emphasize that Kat is no longer upset. From the dialog and comment on this page I think Kat must have spent a good chunk of her break bouncing off the walls with worry, anger, and guilt with nothing she could do about it since Antimony wasn't there to comfort/yell at. It's tough to keep up that level of emotional upset for weeks on end so by the time Kat finally saw Antimony again she was emotionally spent and didn't know what she felt like doing. Another thing that might be weighing on Kat's mind is what Anja and/or Jones told her. If Anja told Kat everything then Kat knows that even if she and Antimony stay friends for life, as they probably will, Antimony's life ends as soon as she has a child. That's rough by itself but it means Kat will live on after she gets married and has kids, but Antimony won't. If they stay friends they will eventually have to face the same choices that Surma and Anja did. Antimony will have to decide if she wants to exclude Kat from her life when she decides to have a child, and Kat will have to decide if she wants her kid(s) to be friends with Antimony's daughter. Kat may be wondering if she wants to sign on for that sort of trip.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 24, 2011 7:57:55 GMT
But she just said she's not "not even really upset" at Annie. If she's not angry, why is she being so indifferent to her? Because living people (unlike internet holywarriors) aren't limited to two states of <arrrgh!!1> and <squeee!!1>? Therefore she can be very exasperated, sulking and so on, while not really angry (at Annie or at all). Furthermore, Annie clearly thinks Kat's upset, based on what Kat said to her. So for Kat to deliberately allow Annie to think she's still mad at her is messed up. Stopping her once she cared to spread her wings could be worse. As it is, they both have fun. Kat had no way of knowing that Annie would respond to her snubbing with wacky hijinks. She could have just as easily ran back to her room and had another emotional breakdown. She knows Annie for how many years?
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Post by atteSmythe on Mar 24, 2011 13:58:31 GMT
Kat's feelings are hurt. She expressed that in a VERY mature way saying that she's feeling a bunch of different stuff and overall, doesn't know how she really feels about the whole debacle. Really, she's just expressing her feelings and being honest, as opposed to bottling it up and either pushing Annie away or pretending nothing ever happened. But she just said she's not "not even really upset" at Annie. If she's not angry, why is she being so indifferent to her? Furthermore, Annie clearly thinks Kat's upset, based on what Kat said to her. So for Kat to deliberately allow Annie to think she's still mad at her is messed up. Kat had no way of knowing that Annie would respond to her snubbing with wacky hijinks. She could have just as easily ran back to her room and had another emotional breakdown. True! Kat was upset, and she had no way of knowing that this is how Annie would respond. But this is, obviously, how she's responding...which reminds Kat what good times she's had with Annie, and what a friend she's been, and makes her realize that she's not really as upset as she thought she was. Kat's found perspective. And, hey, whaddaya know, it looks like Annie's boneheaded plan is actually working. And Annie's obviously having some fun with it, so is there any real harm in 'punishing' her a little bit?
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Post by paxjax123 on Mar 25, 2011 0:01:48 GMT
Oh, has anyone thought about Annie's punishment for running on the bridge yet? I know, some people are gonna say she doesn't deserve detention or anything, but like Eglamore said, there are rules.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 25, 2011 1:19:44 GMT
Oh, has anyone thought about Annie's punishment for running on the bridge yet? I know, some people are gonna say she doesn't deserve detention or anything, but like Eglamore said, there are rules. We did thrash out that topic in last chapter's threads. I was in the "yep she's in for detention" camp since it turned out to be Eggers chasing her. She got detention when she left school grounds last time without permission. If it wasn't Eggers she might've been in for suspension or expulsion for the tossing-a-fire-wall-into-a-teacher's-path thing. Eggers will probably cover for her as much as possible. Also: Going to be an interesting encounter, when Antimony and Eggers next meet.
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Post by jayne on Mar 25, 2011 2:55:46 GMT
Hard to say about the punishment thing.... If some random student at a boarding school just found out her mother had been killed (in some manner equally upsetting as finding out they themselves had sucked the life force out of her) and ran away from school in a blind rage... maybe even endangering a teacher, would that student be hunted down and arrested?
Some times, special circumstances should be taken into account. Its not like this is a regular behavior...something that happens to a lot of kids and often.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 25, 2011 3:39:08 GMT
If Antimony somehow does dodge detention I think it will be because she has an arrangement to visit the Woods when she wishes, more-or-less; getting permission is becoming more like a formality than a rule. While I understand being upset and wanting to take off the counterargument is that the rules are there to protect the students. Antimony could've easily charged into the Woods, done or said something stupid in the heat of the moment, and gotten herself or someone else hurt. Since this is a second offense I strongly doubt that Antimony is getting off without detention. Besides, letting her off would set a bad precedent. If being upset is a license to break rules, lots of people are going to be upset whenever it's convenient.
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Post by jayne on Mar 25, 2011 4:44:46 GMT
That's why I mentioned this isn't something that happens often... Its not likely that this precedent would ever be used by anyone else.
If Annie had done what she did because she failed a test, or got into an argument with a student, or any normal thing that is likely to happen to students, then you need to set down rules for the next time.
But what Annie went through was a very special situation. I can't imagine something similar happening to another student and if it did and they flew off the handle like Annie did, punishment is not my first concern. You punish someone to prevent further bad behavior. Annie wasn't bad, she was traumatized. Punishing someone who is traumatized is just overkill.
"I inadvertently killed my own mother" is traumatizing. I doubt any student that wants to fake being traumatized would be very effective, especially if they're trying to justify leaving school grounds.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 25, 2011 6:19:49 GMT
I hear what you're saying but the problem is that a lot of common stuff can be very traumatizing. Most people on this forum can probably make a list of "normal" things they've seen happen to people in real life that could make someone break down. I'm not sure Antimony has more right to act out than say, someone who just lost their family in an auto accident.
Sure, people make allowances for temporary insanity and provocation and other things that impair judgment, but only in rare cases does that completely remove all consequences for rule-breaking. If a grief-stricken person decided to leave the country but didn't bother waiting for a passport and just crashed through a border checkpoint, I'd understand how they felt but would not support them getting off scott free. Detention is a fairly minimal punishment; I don't want to sound like an after-school tv special but it's not good for kids to learn they're exceptions to rules.
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Post by rafk on Mar 25, 2011 7:47:26 GMT
New record for character popping up after the long period of absence! I know. Hell of a Chekhov's Minotaur. Posting somewhat late to add that this strip is hilarious. I was just explaining the "hair goes up!" sequence to my hairdresser the other day because I had to explain why I laughed so much after she talked about this teenage girl who came in wanting her hair spiked up exactly like that, and now we get a cameo from the Happiness Sunshine Fairy herself!
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Post by todd on Mar 25, 2011 11:09:20 GMT
I think that the Court will punish Annie (they've probably only held back so far because Tom wants to finish the story about the rift between Annie and Kat first); it's not just what she did in the last chapter, but that she has a history of getting into trouble (often with bad consequences for the Court) in the past two years. I still think that if it wasn't for her guardianship of Reynardine, they'd have expelled her.
(Then again, the Court seems to punish people more for getting caught breaking the rules than for breaking the rules - which makes sense, since many of the Court's strategies have been unethical. Maybe what they're really trying to teach the students isn't "Behave yourself" but "Do a good job of covering up your schemes behind you" - students who can't do that might, if they were given a job at Court when they grew up, let something slip that would let everyone know about the things the Court was trying to keep secret.)
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Post by jayne on Mar 26, 2011 0:18:32 GMT
I hear what you're saying but the problem is that a lot of common stuff can be very traumatizing. Most people on this forum can probably make a list of "normal" things they've seen happen to people in real life that could make someone break down. I'm not sure Antimony has more right to act out than say, someone who just lost their family in an auto accident. Sure, people make allowances for temporary insanity and provocation and other things that impair judgment, but only in rare cases does that completely remove all consequences for rule-breaking. If a grief-stricken person decided to leave the country but didn't bother waiting for a passport and just crashed through a border checkpoint, I'd understand how they felt but would not support them getting off scott free. Detention is a fairly minimal punishment; I don't want to sound like an after-school tv special but it's not good for kids to learn they're exceptions to rules. Antimony doesn't have more right than any other student. If there is an honest-to-god traumatic condition which causes any student to act in an unapproved manner, then punishment should not be applied. A fake traumatic situation or not so much traumatic situation means the student is just trying to get away with something. That's an entirely different manner and yeah... punish away! So, the crux of the matter is, it has to be genuinely traumatic.
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