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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 24, 2010 9:25:03 GMT
I really hope Ysegnrin and Jones fight. That would be awesome.
As fot the "Wandering Eye" thing..... body-stealing powers?
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Post by basser on Dec 24, 2010 9:27:33 GMT
I really hope Ysegnrin and Jones fight. That would be awesome. As fot the "Wandering Eye" thing..... body-stealing powers? Or shapeshifting, I guess. Body-stealing doesn't really account for the whole 'weighs a tonne and punches through walls' thing, unless the handsome young lass she stole happened to be some kind of rock golem.
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Post by xelab on Dec 24, 2010 9:46:36 GMT
Just as I read this I wentback to the Court-Forest meeting. It looks like Jones noticed Coyote but he didn't see her, too distracted with annie? www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=277And about the Wandering Eye, one of the meanings it might be that she has seen a lot of things(at different places, so she knows quite a bit about the world), and probably lived for a long time. So among all the things she has seen, ysengryn distortion is the worse. And this why the court headmaster is so disturbed. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=288
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Post by marcus on Dec 24, 2010 10:09:27 GMT
It seems to me like the last panel there is meant to draw a parallel between Muut and Jones. It might not be much of a parallel (maybe just that they're both rather expressionless), or it might be something more. Perhaps the Wandering Eye and Muut are similar beings?
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Post by dante on Dec 24, 2010 10:17:51 GMT
So let's see: - Jones is able to enter deep into the forest without getting attacked (or maybe she was able to subdue the defenders? - Her line in Panel 5 seems a little cold, even for her. - Remember, Jones' alignment appears to be True Neutral. - And I agree, obviously Coyote knows Annie's name, and Jones usually calls her Antimony, so why not say "I'm here for Antimony"? What is Jones doing in panel 3? did she twiddle her fingers to appear or is she ready to strike out? I think she's just pushing her way out of the underbrush. My cunning eye has spotted that Ysengrin is not totally flipping out at her appearance, perhaps this is of note ;D or maybe it's just because she's not a true member of the Court.
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Post by binarytears on Dec 24, 2010 10:26:36 GMT
Jones _surprised_ Coyote! She turned up without him noticing, and interrupted him. And he takes this as normal, and is very pleased to see her.
Interesting.
The name 'wandering eye' could have two alternate meanings. One is what most people seem to be assuming - that it refers to Jones having a 'wandering eye', or curiosity, etc. But another possibility, is that Jones _is_ the wandering eye... of something else.
"I'm here for the girl" sounds a bit abrupt doesn't it? Presumably Annie won't actually want to go back yet, and would have rather had a quiet private chat with Coyote.
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Post by Amethyst on Dec 24, 2010 10:38:37 GMT
Coyote has a lot of eyes...
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Post by jaguarpaint on Dec 24, 2010 10:49:00 GMT
hmm :/ for some reason my mind jumped directly to the eye on antimony's head in that treatise. despite everyone agreeing that it's coyote's eye... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=560I've got to say, this also popped in my head immediately. Who else to watch Surma's child (and thus, Reynardine as well) but himself, ie, his own eye. Er, let me know if this is off topic but, was it ever speculated that Coyote gave Surma this backfiring gift of passing off her strength/powers/gifts to her daughter?
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Post by kafine on Dec 24, 2010 11:13:47 GMT
Jones is very well dressed on this page.
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Post by theweatherman on Dec 24, 2010 11:26:34 GMT
What about Ysengrin? Jones walked in unannounced and without warning, then politely demanded Coyote to give back Annie, all the while Ysengrin is just taking these blows to his pride without question. Plus Tom's note means that Jones is soemthing special or Ysengrin would have flipped.
Jones just became soo much weirder.
My first thought was that Jones wasn't in fact A wandering eye, like a ultra-curious person, but a spirit or being named that?
Maybe Jones is a avatar of Ra or a servant or friend of him?
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Post by jandor on Dec 24, 2010 11:42:39 GMT
Annie and/or Ysengrin vs. Jones. All Etheric Fire and/or tree blades vs. the awesome of Jones.
...maybe.
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Post by todd on Dec 24, 2010 11:43:02 GMT
I thought of Ra's eye when I read this page, but then also recalled Odin sacrificing one of his eyes in return for a drink from Mimir's well. Nothing is mentioned of what happened to the eye afterwards, or if it did any wandering - but if Jones is linked to Odin, that could give a new perspective to Brinnie being mistaken for a long time by the readers for a younger version of Jones....
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Post by basser on Dec 24, 2010 11:43:56 GMT
For some reason I'm imagining Jones as just a huge gigantic floating eyeball in ether-vision.
Also from the links posted above, perhaps a further talent/property of hers is to be very unnoticable. Coyote didn't even bat an eye at her at their previous meeting, and now she's gone and snuck up on two gods without their even catching a whiff of her. (So I guess maybe just a very small floating eyeball.) A big part of being a good observationalist is not attracting the attention of whatever it is you're observing, after all, and it's sounding like Jones' main "thing" is watching stuff, so it follows that she must be pretty good at blending in. Etherically or otherwise.
Also also I can't believe it's taken me this long to come up with the word "sentinel" in relation to this discussion.
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Post by legion on Dec 24, 2010 11:59:13 GMT
Called it!!!! I totally did predict that Jones would intervene in this chapter!!!!
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Post by Alexandragon on Dec 24, 2010 12:14:26 GMT
Holy Crap! Jones isn't a human, is she?! And her name!! Is she daemon like Rey too?!!!! On the day before Christmas, Tom Siddell gave to me... 1 million questions! Boxing Day shall be wonderful. Truly so! P.S.: 2 million!
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Post by strainofthought on Dec 24, 2010 12:26:04 GMT
So I read some of this, and it meshes pretty well... Okay, read some more, it meshes *frighteningly* well. Still doesn't explain weighing several hundred pounds, but otherwise, Sekhmet/HetHert was a dual Egyptian goddess with "two different aspects; one protective and healing, the other destructive and retaliating. She was said to have an awesome appeareance, her weapons being arrows 'with which she pierces hearts'" She was known as the Eye of Ra due to her very close association with the chief god. Jones: Warrior-Teacher. It fits, no? What's interesting is that Sekmet isn't described as being flatly unemotional, but rather bi-polar: veering back and forth between two opposite mental states of rage, leading Ra's forces on the field of battle, and tenderness, healing the sick and protecting the weak. But the main thing which makes this sound like Jones, is that at one point Sekhmet/HetHert got sick of the egyptian pantheon, and just left. She was gone for a long time, and didn't miss home at all, wandering aimlessly over the land and living as a lioness. Eventually, the pantheon, which missed *her* dearly, sent a minor god out to convince her to come back, which he did eventually. But I can see Sekhmet getting sick of the pantheon a second time, and just lighting out of there and *staying* gone this time. Also, from another article: "When Thebes was the seat of royal residence,(11th Dyn.) the local goddess Mut was merged with her." And a little later: "Maat was the deity who personified all the elements of cosmic harmony as established by the creator-god at the beginning of time. These included truth, justice and moral integrity, as well as established order and structure. Without Maat the whole structure of Creation would crumble and be swallowed up to the powers of Chaos. " Well, put *that* in your pipe and smoke it. Was Muut Double-dipping on the other side of the world?
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Post by Kuraru on Dec 24, 2010 12:40:30 GMT
I know this isn't as fundamental and searching as the comments and questions posed by my fellow posters, but I must admit that I approve of Jones' fashion sense. Also from the links posted above, perhaps a further talent/property of hers is to be very unnoticable. Coyote didn't even bat an eye at her at their previous meeting, and now she's gone and snuck up on two gods without their even catching a whiff of her. (So I guess maybe just a very small floating eyeball.) A big part of being a good observationalist is not attracting the attention of whatever it is you're observing, after all, and it's sounding like Jones' main "thing" is watching stuff, so it follows that she must be pretty good at blending in. Etherically or otherwise. Interestingly, Jones was clearly noticed by people in Annie's classin Chapter 17, though it may be important to note that one of them said "I've never seen her before". www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=365
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Post by Lico on Dec 24, 2010 13:38:24 GMT
Interestingly, Jones was clearly noticed by people in Annie's classin Chapter 17, though it may be important to note that one of them said "I've never seen her before". I'm pretty sure she was trying to catch Annie's attention anyways, as she was fetching her, no? So of course she would be noticed. I think.
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Post by ladyset on Dec 24, 2010 13:49:14 GMT
@ Jones: PLOT BLOCKER! I was looking forward to Coyote's take on Annie's revelations. O, and if we didn't have enough proof already, Jones certainly isn't human; Ysengrin didn't maul her on sight. I wonder what Jones looks like in the Aetheric...... most likely she isn't human...I think Jones must be a faerie who’s taken the test and turned human or is half human(but the second guess is more unlikely)! maybe that's why she doesn’t ally herself with the court or the forest.
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Post by strangebloke on Dec 24, 2010 14:09:56 GMT
Well, I think that it is safe to say that Jones is, if not actually a deity, a very powerful etheric creature. (which we pretty much knew already.)
Of course, it might be a stretch to call her an etheric creature when she can't even use a blinker stone. I also think it highly doubtful that she is in any way related to Coyote. Jones and Coyote have nothing in common. nothing.
What I found more interesting on this page was the way annie interrupted coyote. He calls her fire-head girl, and in the next page she interrupts with "antinomy" as if to say: "don't call me that. I'm my own person, and so was my mother."
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Post by camouflage on Dec 24, 2010 14:17:44 GMT
What I found more interesting on this page was the way annie interrupted coyote. He calls her fire-head girl, and in the next page she interrupts with "antinomy" as if to say: "don't call me that. I'm my own person, and so was my mother." That speech bubble in frame 2 isn't Annie correcting Coyote, it's Jones calling for Annie.
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Post by KMar on Dec 24, 2010 14:18:03 GMT
I don't know why, but when Coyote said "Wandering Eye", I thought immediately about Tic-Tocs ...
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Post by blulink on Dec 24, 2010 14:34:24 GMT
Why does Tom just create so many more questions than answers? I was looking forward to some bit of exposition after so much waiting! Monday cannot come soon enough.
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Post by shirozaki on Dec 24, 2010 14:35:43 GMT
I don't know why, but when Coyote said "Wandering Eye", I thought immediately about Tic-Tocs ... They popped into my mind as well, Gamma referred to them as "Thousand Eyes".
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Post by strainofthought on Dec 24, 2010 14:42:53 GMT
Well, I think that it is safe to say that Jones is, if not actually a deity, a very powerful etheric creature. (which we pretty much knew already.) Of course, it might be a stretch to call her an etheric creature when she can't even use a blinker stone. I don't think Jones' non-use of blinker stones necessarily discounts the possibility of an etheric nature. I believe that at this point the only two people we have actually witnessed using them are Antimony and Anja, both humans. It may be that a purely etheric creature such as, say, Mort, has no more ability to make use of a etheric-assist device like a blinker stone than a fish has to make use of water-wings.
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Post by Yin on Dec 24, 2010 14:58:32 GMT
Jones=wandering eye=curiosity=Indiana Jones?
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Post by The Stranger on Dec 24, 2010 15:08:37 GMT
Hello. Fuel to the fire: Tom confirmed long ago that she is fluent in Ancient Egyptian.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 24, 2010 15:17:47 GMT
I could buy "wandering eye" as a reference to Hathor or Mut. I have long speculated that Jones is some variation of Galatea and both Hathor and Mut are fertility goddesses (or aspects of the same, the Egyptians liked to blend things). In fact, if you read the Hathor article all the way to the end you see that the Greeks equated Hathor with Aphrodite. ;D For some reason I'm imagining Jones as just a huge gigantic floating eyeball in ether-vision. How about a huge red one? Check out Hathor's eye.
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Post by hal9000 on Dec 24, 2010 15:22:47 GMT
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Post by strainofthought on Dec 24, 2010 15:58:22 GMT
I could buy "wandering eye" as a reference to Hathor or Mut. I have long speculated that Jones is some variation of Galatea and both Hathor and Mut are fertility goddesses (or aspects of the same, the Egyptians liked to blend things). In fact, if you read the Hathor article all the way to the end you see that the Greeks equated Hathor with Aphrodite. Okay, this from Wikipedia's Mut article seems oddly relevant to your idea: There are temples dedicated to Mut still standing in modern-day Egypt and Sudan, reflecting the widespread worship of her, but the center of her cult became the temple in Karnak. That temple had the statue that was regarded as an embodiment of her real ka. The Muut / Mut thing still seems too weird to be true, but considering Mut appears to have actually, canonically, *been* a stone golem, and Sekhmet, one of the goddesses Mut got mixed up with, was a warrior woman who got sick of the egyptian pantheon and lit out of there for a nice long time, it sounds increasingly plausible as a backstory for Jones, with of course the huge glaring exception that there was someone named Jones we never saw in the "Ties" chapter, who was implied to be a young teen. Anyone know if Tom has ever flatly stated that they were the same person? It sounds like Jones I could have died somehow, and ageless wandering Egyptian Goddess Golem could have stepped in and taken her place as Jones II- or even something more complicated than that. Ancient Egyptian gods tended to all have shapeshifting powers, after all, and Sekhmet is explicitly stated to have been a lioness for a time.
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