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Post by paxjax123 on Dec 1, 2010 13:50:13 GMT
Can... can I do this? I put a cookie on Annie running to the cherry tree from way back when.
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Post by starkruzr on Dec 1, 2010 13:52:00 GMT
What gets me is the panel borders warping. It could just be a representation of Annie's emotional distress... or it could be a sign of reality warping. Or it could be both. Annie is a potent psychic force, after all, and conventionally, psychic powers are enhanced by strong emotion which, well, enough said. Next page: JONES walks in. JONES: Excellent work, Renard. We are well on our way to unlocking Antimony's full psychic potential. ANNIE: You... you mean...? RENARD: Yes, child, you have just been trolled. JONES: U mad? lulz. Sooo... anyone want to speculate why "everyone knew" that if Surma had a child, it would suck the life out of her and she would die?
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Post by blulink on Dec 1, 2010 13:59:37 GMT
It seems to me that the in the last panel Annie is melting into an image of her mother. The chapter started with the story of Surma and Renard and I don't think that part of the story is done yet. Or it could been that she is becoming more adult with this new information. How long can you maintain the innocence of a child with your mother's death on your hands?
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Post by blulink on Dec 1, 2010 14:01:12 GMT
And who is Jack's father? Maybe Annie is running to a neutral party to find out about her mother and Jack said his father knew her.
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Post by jayne on Dec 1, 2010 14:13:37 GMT
And who is Jack's father? Maybe Annie is running to a neutral party to find out about her mother and Jack said his father knew her. This is Jack Hyland's DadI doubt she looks for him.
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Post by stephen on Dec 1, 2010 14:15:37 GMT
We saw Jack's father in the big flashback chapter. He was the guy being nasty about Anja and Surma and Brinnie, calling them "freaks," and about to call Surma a "cu-" before Eglamore punched him in the face.
So either he matured a lot after that particular day, or he's not telling his son what he really thinks (about somebody held in high regard by most of the court).
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Post by djublonskopf on Dec 1, 2010 14:18:11 GMT
I'm guessing it's happened before. Surma probably had parents herself, after all.
Perhaps the "cure" Anthony was looking for was in part a scientific explanation for the "fire" transfer. Sort of a . . . rejecting everybody else's attitude of "that's the way it works" . . . determined to put an end to the cycle. All speculated, clearly.
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Post by djublonskopf on Dec 1, 2010 14:19:10 GMT
Can... can I do this? I put a cookie on Annie running to the cherry tree from way back when. No she is going to punch Muut in the bird face.
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Post by ryos on Dec 1, 2010 14:28:43 GMT
I've gone back and forth, but I think it is real. Look at Annie's hair streaming out behind her in the last panel. Although it hasn't changed color or texture here, it is an important part of Annie's ethereal self image, and I think a significant indicator of how close to the boundary she is. She's bleeding over into the etheric plane right now, and I wonder if any of her teachers are picking up on the distress she's got to be broadcasting. I don't know, I get a more of a "her-world-unraveling"-vibe. The hair looking long could just be an effect of the wierd fisheye-type lens that seems to be effecting the last panel. But then again, I've been wrong before Could be either, but I'd point out that we've seen the hair thing before. Always before it's been associated with Annie entering the etherium.
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Post by junebug on Dec 1, 2010 15:02:55 GMT
I actually like the theory that Surma broke up with Eglamore because he didn't want to have children with her, whereas Anthony did. It seems to fit. Also, I found something (third panel) - I'm pretty certain Eglamore was talking about Anthony having Antimony with Surma, even though he knew what that would mean.
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Post by satanicpuppy on Dec 1, 2010 15:05:22 GMT
Well, it seems like some of the previous speculation was right after all. Everyone knew, including Anthony. Does this mean that Surma wanted to go ahead and have a kid despite that fact? And I think the warping of the art is more symbolic than any actual warping, and it's a damned good effect. Annie is probably worse than utterly crushed right now. The question is whether Surma knew. If she did, then she thought the child was more important than her own life. If she didn't... Wow. That would be a mindjob, no mistake.
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Post by jayne on Dec 1, 2010 15:09:34 GMT
"We all knew it would happen if Surma ever had a child"
Well, this lets us know they knew about it before she became pregnant.
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Post by satanicpuppy on Dec 1, 2010 15:14:43 GMT
I have one cookie saying that she will run into the Forest. And wow, this comic just never stops getting better, does it? That would actually be smart, given that Coyote, at least, won't lie. For my money though, I'm going with "knocking heads".
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Post by kairaven on Dec 1, 2010 15:15:02 GMT
I must say I am reminded of Delirium from The Sandman: Endless Nights, when she's gone so deep inside that she can not be retrieved.
I wonder if it's possible for Anny to retreat so deep into the ertherium that she can't be found save by maybe Renard or coyote.
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 1, 2010 15:20:11 GMT
Haha, I didn't notice angryface!Rey in the background of the first panel before rereading the page right now.
Annie going to the forest would be interesting, but I'm not sure that's what's on her mind at the moment.
Anyway: ;_;
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Post by satanicpuppy on Dec 1, 2010 15:21:32 GMT
We saw Jack's father in the big flashback chapter. He was the guy being nasty about Anja and Surma and Brinnie, calling them "freaks," and about to call Surma a "cu-" before Eglamore punched him in the face. So either he matured a lot after that particular day, or he's not telling his son what he really thinks (about somebody held in high regard by most of the court). Or maybe it was high school, and when you're 20 years older the petty stuff isn't important anymore? There is zero reason to think he'd be holding a grudge after all that time.
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 1, 2010 16:00:41 GMT
I have one cookie saying that she will run into the Forest. And wow, this comic just never stops getting better, does it? I thought about that too. It would be really interesting to see what happens if she runs into the forest without broadcasting her intent first. I think if I had to, though, I'd put my money on finding someplace hidden, and then retreating as far into the empty black ether of the central Court as she can.
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Post by ciatri on Dec 1, 2010 16:31:05 GMT
Annie seems more concerned that the adults covered it up than the fact Surma died because of her. I'm sure she's equally devastated about her killing her mother, but yes, I agree. We've seen in the past how she hates the idea of people making assumptions of her or going behind her back.
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Post by Chrome on Dec 1, 2010 16:35:32 GMT
Here's a bit of spec I just hit on in my head:
What if Anthony helped Surma concieve Annie, in hopes that she's the one generation who won't have this problem when she has a child? That'd be a pretty good motivator - stopping the cycle. Perhaps with someone who had zero etheric leaning, there's a chance the child's own leanings would be balanced out by genetic material that wasn't? Eggers probably had some leaning, which probably would suggest that a child with him would probably just continue the cycle.
Annie taking after her father in certain ways suggests at least some success there. She might have a greater degree of control of these powers than Surma ever did, due to a temperament that's fiery yet fiercely self-restrained.
It's obvious Annie still drained Surma, and it's likely Anthony still looked to find some conventional or scientific solution that would cure her. But at least science supports genetics, and the understanding of inheritance of genetic diseases, so I could see Anthony going that route...
Anyways, I'm also curious as to where Annie might go. I don't think she's in any state to knock heads right now. She's got to cry this one out, then figure out what to do.
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Post by scyllarus on Dec 1, 2010 16:44:14 GMT
i'm not really for the idea that annie runs off to the forest. coyote and ysengrin aren't exactly the best comforters out there, and seeing as coyote thought that she WAS surma, she's probably not going to get any answers from him. probably, though since he is a god...well, at any rate, mr. chuckles and mr. angrytree aren't really the best for this. i don't think juggling your eyeballs is appropriate in this situations.
i don't think coyote tooth will show up either, unless tom's in a disturbingly dark place and annie tries to kill herself with it. it's not her style to use a weapon against someone.
as for knocking heads...if she does confront someone about it, it's likely to a be a tearful "why didn't you tell me?" than the sort of angry outburst she had with mort. and besides, annie's a bright girl, i think that, if she's in any control of her mental state, she understands why the adults wouldn't want to tell her. i mean...how do you break this gently to someone? no matter what anja says (And she's the best candidate, imo) it'll always sound like "you killed your mom and you're a reminder to the rest of us of that fact."
as for what will happen...i wonder where she'll go to. kat's probably still with her mom, so that's probably out, unless annie really does want to knock heads. perhaps jack? we did just get "hello, jack" a few panels ago...i don't think she'll call muut, she didn't need to run out of the room for that, and i don't think she's in the mood for him. my money's on finding a quiet place and crying her eyes out, possibly to be discovered by someone or another.
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Post by paxjax123 on Dec 1, 2010 17:28:03 GMT
I JUST noticed the panels are all wiggly.
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Post by djublonskopf on Dec 1, 2010 17:35:54 GMT
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Post by Eversist on Dec 1, 2010 17:43:52 GMT
I don't know, I get a more of a "her-world-unraveling"-vibe. The hair looking long could just be an effect of the wierd fisheye-type lens that seems to be effecting the last panel. But then again, I've been wrong before Could be either, but I'd point out that we've seen the hair thing before. Always before it's been associated with Annie entering the etherium. Tom has made Annie's hair elongate unnaturally when she's been running before. It's just artistic expression.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Dec 1, 2010 18:00:22 GMT
. (quote shortened for brevity)Where is she going? My bet is Jones. My thoughts exactly. If anyone can be an emotional anchor, it's Jones. Obviously she's emotionally steady, which Annie needs right now -- but she's also less aligned to the court than the rest of "everyone" who knew about Surma's condition. Not that we know whether this was in any way the Court's fault (maybe, but I don't think so,) but with this kind of an emotional bomb having been hidden from her, the last thing I imagine Annie would want to deal with is more potential conspiracy. Next page: JONES walks in. JONES: Excellent work, Renard. We are well on our way to unlocking Antimony's full psychic potential. ANNIE: You... you mean...? RENARD: Yes, child, you have just been trolled. JONES: U mad? LAUGHING ON LINE -- not exactly what I was expecting when I thought of Jones being involved, but highly funny nonetheless! ;D Also, side note: I don't know why everyone seems to be going on about Annie's hair in the last panel. It doesn't look anything like her hair in the aetherium to me. It just looks like she's rushing out the door, hurrying in her grief/anger/upsetness.
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Post by Vadigor on Dec 1, 2010 18:12:13 GMT
I'm rather surprised that one peculiar thing hasn't appeared in these comments yet, namely Annie's choice of words here. Rather than question this new revalation, she chooses to say "They knew?"
It's somewhat of a longshot but it could be that Annie figured out that she in fact was (at least part of) the reason her mother died, but she concealed it from the world.
I'll concede that it's improbable but it would be another defining aspect of Annie's character and, I have to say, quite amazing.
Regardless of that, the impending fireworks show should be quite the sight as well.
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Post by Tracker4502 on Dec 1, 2010 18:12:19 GMT
i don't think coyote tooth will show up either, unless tom's in a disturbingly dark place and annie tries to kill herself with it. it's not her style to use a weapon against someone. Doubtful. I stumbled upon Tom's comment for this strip and that would seem to make suicide improbable. Though of course she could not be thinking rationally in her emotional state, but oh well. Also, I just noticed this as well. If Kat keeps her word but Annie doesn't want to go on vacation with the Donlans, it should make for a difficult choice for Kat. And if Kat chooses not to go, I can see Mr. and Mrs. Donlan canceling the vacation plans. Hmm.
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Post by Vadigor on Dec 1, 2010 18:17:03 GMT
And for my second long shot, I'm going along with scyllarus and say that though she probably won't be looking for him, she's likely to run into Jack again. (How's THAT for a romantic plot twist.)
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Post by guyy on Dec 1, 2010 18:20:54 GMT
I have one cookie saying that she will run into the Forest. And wow, this comic just never stops getting better, does it? That would actually be smart, given that Coyote, at least, won't lie. For my money though, I'm going with "knocking heads". Things could get interesting if she does go to the forest, since I'm pretty sure Coyote doesn't know about any of this. If he did, he'd probably understand why Renard might not be much of a fan of Annie. And come to think of it, this page makes it even clearer ("and your mother is really gone?"). Speaking of which, this whole situation is oddly similar to Renard's body-snatching power...
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Post by blackmantha on Dec 1, 2010 18:54:53 GMT
Can... can I do this? I put a cookie on Annie running to the cherry tree from way back when. Sure, and I'll put mine on the low-chance bet that she tries to leave the court entirely. Not to the forest, but completely back to normal society. She won't make it, but mostly because that miles away.
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Dec 1, 2010 19:04:53 GMT
Can... can I do this? I put a cookie on Annie running to the cherry tree from way back when. Sure, and I'll put mine on the low-chance bet that she tries to leave the court entirely. Not to the forest, but completely back to normal society. She won't make it, but mostly because that miles away. Fly away Annie! Fly away!
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