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Post by jayne on Nov 16, 2010 2:32:12 GMT
Mort: "You mean you could see the guides, just like that? That's pretty rare"Its a rare gift and yet Surma and Annie both have/had it. Is it possible that Surma gave Annie her power, like Coyote gave his power to Rey? Surma could see the guides but then she couldn't help them but Annie could. The guides can make themselves visible to people but those with the power can see on their own. Maybe Surma couldn't see the ghost boy because he wouldn't know how to make himself visible to her. Maybe it was a side effect of childbirth... her powers left her and moved into the baby?
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Post by Eversist on Nov 17, 2010 3:28:41 GMT
I'd think it's more of a hereditary thing, but I suppose Surma could have passed the power while she was dying slowly... maybe it helped along her death. But I don't think it was a direct passing-on thing, where only Surma had it, then Annie. There's a definite scene where they're both seeing the Guides at once. Surma just couldn't get out of bed because she was sick. Or maybe she wanted to test her daughter's gumption. I'm going to lean towards no on this theory. Annie just inherited the talent from her mother through birth, in my eyes. |
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 3:48:35 GMT
I'd think it's more of a hereditary thing, but I suppose Surma could have passed the power while she was dying slowly... maybe it helped along her death. But I don't think it was a direct passing-on thing, where only Surma had it, then Annie. There's a definite scene where they're both seeing the Guides at once. Surma just couldn't get out of bed because she was sick. Or maybe she wanted to test her daughter's gumption. I'm going to lean towards no on this theory. Annie just inherited the talent from her mother through birth, in my eyes. The guides can make themselves visible. Kat could see the bug guide because he let her. If Surma lost her power but they knew Annie had it, they could visit her and just ask. She said she was no use to them but if she still had her power, she could get in a wheelchair. Annie was upset because she didn't know what was going on but it wasn't physically hard for her. Surma had the strength to sit up and hold her daughter. If this power was hereditary, it wouldn't be all that rare. Red hair is somewhat rare but since it is a family trait, its not surprisingly rare. |
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Post by Eversist on Nov 17, 2010 4:07:17 GMT
I'm not saying it would necessarily automatically be passed down, dominant or recessive, maybe it's a bit more random than that. Biology doesn't necessarily apply to magic.
And how does the ability to inherit a talent hereditarily automatically make something not rare? I don't see the logic there.
We don't know what Surma was sick with. Who knows if it affected her magical abilities, in addition to something physical.
And I doubt she could have done what Annie did in a wheelchair. If it was any amount of physically demanding, she would have been SOL in a wheelchair, especially because I'm sure she wouldn't be accustomed to getting around that way. I would bet sitting up, propped up by pillows, and holding your daughter doesn't take half of the energy of getting around in a wheelchair. Why didn't she just use her etheric powers to float out of the bed, if all she did was pass on the power to see the guides?
So even if she could have done it, I think she was testing Annie. The Guides didn't come to Annie. They came to Surma, and Surma turned them to Annie. The Guides themselves said they thought she was too young.
Another thing I see kinda weird with this theory... who says that humans have the ability to pass on traits like that? Coyote's a GOD. Surma was just a talented, out-of-the-ordinary human. I'd rather think it was the sickness.
Edit: Whoops, yes they did. But not before emploring Surma to come. Sorry, I was going on memory.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 12:15:51 GMT
When I reread #158, I thought, "Its a rare gift and yet two people in the same family have it?"
I have no idea how it would work but I thought maybe Surma gave her rare gift to Annie... maybe not on purpose, maybe Coyote did it to her...
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Post by King Mir on Nov 17, 2010 12:39:21 GMT
It's a mother and daughter. The fact that they share it points to a hereditary trait. But that doesn't mean that it'll always get passed down.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 12:48:22 GMT
It's a mother and daughter. The fact that they share it points to a hereditary trait. But that doesn't mean that it'll always get passed down. This is what I always thought too but then I remembered, "when coyote gives a power, he no longer has that power." He can't possess bodies now that he's given that power to Rey. Surma had the power, no longer has the power (in theory), then Annie has the power. It sounds similar. As you can tell, this isn't a really strong theory for me... just some ideas floating around that I wanted your ideas about. |
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Post by evilanagram on Nov 17, 2010 18:01:21 GMT
Except she could definitely still see the psychopomps, so she still had the power.
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Post by jayne on Nov 17, 2010 18:16:58 GMT
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Post by q3 on Nov 18, 2010 3:35:16 GMT
Rare can mean a lot of things. Maybe only one person in a billion can see the guides - but maybe one in ten can. And in any event, Mort is new and inexperienced so he himself may be overestimating how rare Annie's ability is. |
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 3:57:17 GMT
Rare can mean a lot of things. Maybe only one person in a billion can see the guides - but maybe one in ten can. And in any event, Mort is new and inexperienced so he himself may be overestimating how rare Annie's ability is. One in six people are born with blue eyes and no one says "wow, that's pretty rare!" But it can't be so rare that Mort wouldn't have heard of it at all. People with albinism is 1 in 17,000. That sounds properly rare. You've heard of it but would be surprised to meet someone with it. |
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Post by jayne on Nov 18, 2010 21:29:02 GMT
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So it might be Surma's power was passed down to Annie, (which most people suspect.)
It would be as if you'd met someone with albinism, then it wouldn't be all that unusual if they had a child with albinism.
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