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Post by monte on Oct 15, 2010 21:42:28 GMT
Well, now that the moment has been dragged through the street and beaten... on with the plot! And by that i mean, probably the end of the chapter and moving on to the next... which may or may not be about steadman; Tom does have a way of jumping around plot points; we explore something else for a chapter or two and THEN return to jeanne...
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Post by jayne on Oct 15, 2010 21:45:44 GMT
How can you tell? She could be staring straight ahead like in the other frames. If you actually look at Annie's face in the first panel, she is very obviously not looking straight ahead. You mean straight ahead as in her face is parallel with her shoulders? I mean she's just staring into space... yes, with her head turned a bit but not focusing on anyone. You must have zoned out yourself at some time, right? You don't have to look directly in front of you to do that, do you?
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Post by wanderer on Oct 15, 2010 21:52:36 GMT
What IS your problem, Annie? Have we not just indicated that the development of Parley's teleportation power can be directly related to solving Jeane's problem? They aren't ignoring the issue in favor of romance, they're using the romance to HELP solve the issue. Why are you being such a downer? YOU got them involved in this! Parley SAVED YOUR LIFE. Stop acting like you're the only person in the group who's trying to solve the problem. I don't think this is whats happening, to me it seems like Annie just wants people to pay attention to the fact that there is still a murderious ghost down there and she needs to be freed, I highly doubt she's that selfish or unaware of the possiblities. She's just terrible at being subtle. That's part of my point. They ARE paying attention to it. Getting Parley's teleportation working is DIRECTLY connected to what they were just saying was a likely way to be able to free Jeanne. But Annie's acting like they're just goofing off. Hell, she's acting like they aren't even THERE, like she completely ignored Parley's offer to use her powers to help, like their juvenile behavior has placed them so far beneath her level that nothing they say or do will be in any way useful to her so she might as well not pay any attention to it. Look at her from the last comic into this one. She's continuing on with her original thought as if Parley never said anything. She completely ignored Parley's offer to help and is still acting as if she'll be solving this on her own. (Yes, I know she said "we," but that doesn't change the fact that she seems to have decided to solely follow her own plan and act as if no one else has anything useful to contribute.)
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 15, 2010 22:00:54 GMT
You mean straight ahead as in her face is parallel with her shoulders? I mean she's just staring into space... yes, with her head turned a bit but not focusing on anyone. You must have zoned out yourself at some time, right? You don't have to look directly in front of you to do that, do you? Now you're just tapdancing.
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Post by Casey on Oct 15, 2010 22:08:32 GMT
Again, based on material in A Medium Beginning, S1, Jupiter Moon Martians, heck all over the comic, I STRONGLY disagree with the notion that Annie is in any way oblivious to social subtleties. I disagree STRONGLY with your STRONG disagreement. And I'm not going to justify my position, either I don't think this is a very fair response. I've already specified exactly which part of S1 refutes the idea that Annie is oblivious to social subtleties, and I didn't see the need to repeat myself every single time I post. It's like, if I don't cite every single source to the letter, in every post, then I'm not justifying my position... and if I do, then I'm badgering people. I just can't ****ing win in this place.
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Post by todd on Oct 15, 2010 22:13:02 GMT
I still think that this is Annie being focused (maybe to the point of obsession) on the Jeanne business. It's not that the digression is about romance; it's that it's a digression. I suspect that Annie would have acted the same way if Kat, Parley, and Smith had been focused on Boxbot, Dr. Disaster's electric scooter, one of Kat's action figures, Parley's poster, etc. It's the same kind of thing as Annie's lack of enthusiasm for the spacemonaut simulations; the digression just happens to involve romance in this case.
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Post by lukas on Oct 15, 2010 22:52:19 GMT
maybe she's just in shock from getting attacked by the hate ghost. I've never been attacked by a ghost, but I think that would put off your game for a few hours, and that's not even counting the part where she watched the green hipster dude get murdered. It's kind of a good thing that the character is so unemotional, cause you figure she'd be totally insane by now if she let herself be effected by all the stuff that happened in the school and the hospital, abandonment, ect.
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Oct 15, 2010 23:28:26 GMT
If Annie were in a normal school, she would definitely be diagnosed with some random "disorder" due to her focus and disinterest in such things.
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Post by basser on Oct 15, 2010 23:46:04 GMT
If Annie were in a normal school, she would definitely be diagnosed with some random "disorder" due to her focus and disinterest in such things. Never been one to ignore a challenge. "The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists schizoid personality disorder as (F60.1) Schizoid personality disorder.[29] It is characterized by at least four of the following criteria: 1. Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection. 2. Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others. 3. Consistent preference for solitary activities. 4. Very few, if any, close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such. 5. Indifference to either praise or criticism. 6. Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities. 7. Indifference to social norms and conventions. 8. Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection. 9. Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person. It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria." Furthermore: "The vast majority of schizoid individuals show an enormous capacity for self-sufficiency, for the ability to operate alone, independently and autonomously, in managing their worlds." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorderTreatment includes psychotropic medications to manage anxiety and schizophrenic tendencies, and behavioral therapy. (Yes I am aware I have too much free time.)
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Post by percival on Oct 15, 2010 23:51:35 GMT
If Annie were in a normal school, she would definitely be diagnosed with some random "disorder" due to her focus and disinterest in such things. ... and prescribed the appropriate medications. My favorite Annie "distant" moment. "Okay."
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Post by Max on Oct 16, 2010 1:57:49 GMT
You know, for all of the talk about Annie and her personality, there hasn't really been any discussion of Steadman, and why Annie want's to research him. His only real role in the saga was delivering the messages and shooting the arrow. He didn't design the device or formulate the plan. What information could they find that would be helpful to helping Jeanne?
Unless Annie is just using that solely as an excuse to get people back on topic.
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Post by Chrome on Oct 16, 2010 2:04:13 GMT
That behavior made even me wince, and I've made the occasional awkward remark.
I think she's just clueless about romance, and might still be young enough to not really want to think about that sort of thing, let alone getting involved in romance herself. Anthony was pretty dispassionate in his brief cameo in Ties, and Annie's cool demeanor obviously is more her father's heritage than her "fiery" mother.
It could be that she prefers to be calm and fairly buttoned-up, and romance, with its wild mood swings, its unpredictability, and the potential to get hurt....just may not appeal to her yet. She's probably in that state of youth where that sort of thing hasn't hit her yet. Remember, she's been sheltered in a hospital with very little sense of how real life works. Her company was a bunch of dying people, psychopomps, and the occasional ghost. Not a whole lot of birds and bees talk there if you ask me...
As for Steadman, I think maybe Annie sees another facet to the mystery nobody else is thinking about right now. We know Diego wanted Jeanne sacrificed, but she's got to be wondering why the arrow hit Greenguy rather than Jeanne - and if she caught that mind-dump from Jeanne, she's got to have noticed he helped her. Right there is a minor mystery: why did he help her, and yet help the plan? Did he actually change his target from Greenguy to Jeanne to save her a worse fate? Or did he deliberately betray her?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 16, 2010 2:29:23 GMT
That behavior made even me wince, and I've made the occasional awkward remark. I think she's just clueless about romance, and might still be young enough to not really want to think about that sort of thing, let alone getting involved in romance herself. Anthony was pretty dispassionate in his brief cameo in Ties, and Annie's cool demeanor obviously is more her father's heritage than her "fiery" mother. It could be that she prefers to be calm and fairly buttoned-up, and romance, with its wild mood swings, its unpredictability, and the potential to get hurt....just may not appeal to her yet. She's probably in that state of youth where that sort of thing hasn't hit her yet. Remember, she's been sheltered in a hospital with very little sense of how real life works. Her company was a bunch of dying people, psychopomps, and the occasional ghost. Not a whole lot of birds and bees talk there if you ask me... I believe we agree; I bet Antimony understands the biology and the theories of relationships perfectly. The emotions are what she wants to keep at arm's length, just like poppa taught her. She'd just rather not see gooey romance even if objecting draws her best friend's ire. I've been predicting on this forum for years that Antimony would eventually have a love interest and that when it happens there would be a lot of Antimony-awkwardness. "Still waters run deep." Also that there would probably be another triangle dynamic like Surma-Eggers-Anthony but with Antimony-(Jack?)-(remains-to-be-seen). As for Steadman, I think maybe Annie sees another facet to the mystery nobody else is thinking about right now. You know, for all of the talk about Annie and her personality, there hasn't really been any discussion of Steadman, and why Annie want's to research him. His only real role in the saga was delivering the messages and shooting the arrow. He didn't design the device or formulate the plan. What information could they find that would be helpful to helping Jeanne? Agreed, Steadman's a lead. He's someone who they know they can find information about and he had a pivotal role in the scheme. By researching Steadman they should gain some context, maybe some names and pictures of the other people involved. From that maybe by process of elimination they could get a lead on who the dissenter to the plan was. I'm guessing he was forced into silence during his lifetime but perhaps he's deliberately left some clues for posterity.
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Post by basser on Oct 16, 2010 3:00:29 GMT
If Annie were in a normal school, she would definitely be diagnosed with some random "disorder" due to her focus and disinterest in such things. ... and prescribed the appropriate medications. My favorite Annie "distant" moment. "Okay." To be fair there's not really much of an "appropriate" medication for schizoid personality disorder. She'd more likely be subjected to intense behavioral therapy to try and bring her out of her shell and connect more with people. Incidentally that page is an exact match for diagnostic category five, "indifference to either praise or criticism." I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DIAGNOSED A CARTOON CHARACTER. MY NERDISM IS COMPLETE.
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Post by Rex on Oct 16, 2010 3:48:16 GMT
imaginaryfriend pretty much covered my view on all this. Except for the love triangle thing and the people involved (Jack? Really?). Steadman's as good a lead as any, and someone that Jones can get them info about. I'm really looking forward to the context that'll be provided about the Court back then, something that's been sorely lacking.
And Annie and romance? When her turn comes around it'll be fun to read, as well as find out what kind character Annie finds appealing.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 16, 2010 4:17:35 GMT
Probably. Jack has been exploring around the Court a lot and also knows how to defeat the alarm systems. He's way too plot-useful for introducing new locations and getting Antimony into them. That means he'll be hanging around her, they'll be going places and doing stuff together.
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Post by Chrome on Oct 16, 2010 4:31:18 GMT
I'm more inclined to think Jack ships better with Kat, due to the affinities to technology and robotics. Kat does well with etherically-minded people, and with bridging some of the etheric to the scientific concepts, as she's had to cope with Annie.
Annie, I think, has more risk of winding up like Jeanne, with split loyalties between her friends in the Court, and probably a very *odd* fellow, who may be with the Wood and/or the spirits more than humans. It's what Annie's familiar with, and I think she'd be inclined to pick a more etherically-leaning personality to suit her own.
Sometimes complements work, and there is a chance Jack would be a good choice, simply because he'd have the etheric affinity, since Zimmy and Gamma confirmed that. I just don't know how he's coping with what he's done, and whether or not it's caused him to turn against things of an etheric nature. Annie might be able to help him recover, and get back to himself. Certainly there's more story to be told there.
I also wonder about Steadman's story too - how did he emotionally cope with what went down afterwards? Did he suffer a genuine guilt over the entire thing, rather than Diego's projection-on-others that he masked as guilt? I have a suspicion his story isn't so cut-and-dried, simply because Tom took the time to show what looks to be conflicting loyalties regarding Jeanne and her "sacrifice" for the Waters.
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Post by jayne on Oct 16, 2010 4:48:46 GMT
Jack is similar to Kat in some ways so that makes me think he'd be a good match for Annie. Kat's probably the most important person in her life right now and if she recognizes that in Jack, he will be more attractive to her.
I suppose her father is still an important person to her too, but its hard for me to understand how without more info.
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Post by jayne on Oct 16, 2010 4:50:22 GMT
You mean straight ahead as in her face is parallel with her shoulders? I mean she's just staring into space... yes, with her head turned a bit but not focusing on anyone. You must have zoned out yourself at some time, right? You don't have to look directly in front of you to do that, do you? Now you're just tapdancing. ;D ;D ;D How is that tapdancing... describe how you zone out, okay? Do you first assume proper posture?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 16, 2010 4:59:28 GMT
Because it was pointed out to us that Jack knows how to bypass alarms I suspect that means he will be useful to Antimony when Kat isn't there.
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Post by jayne on Oct 16, 2010 5:00:01 GMT
You mean straight ahead as in her face is parallel with her shoulders? I mean she's just staring into space... yes, with her head turned a bit but not focusing on anyone. You must have zoned out yourself at some time, right? You don't have to look directly in front of you to do that, do you? Now you're just tapdancing. OK try again And you're trying to say that's not possible because she'd have to be looking straight in front of her to zone out? I don't get it.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Oct 16, 2010 6:21:27 GMT
I agree with Antimony. There are much more important things than kissing. Teleports are nice, but are only useful if applied in practical matters, not merely finding new places for George and Smitty to escape the eyes of the world.
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Post by Rex on Oct 16, 2010 8:02:27 GMT
Chrome and imaginaryfriend, both of you make good points. I just think Jack (unknown etheric ability and all) will be like Zimmy, someone interesting who pops up from time to time but nothing more. They don't really need Jack for adventures around the Court anyway. Whoever Tom makes as a love interest for her will give us the chance to see what she finds appealing, as well as her behavior in those situations. Both of which are ripe opportunities for insight into that aspect of her character.
Also, Chrome I'm with you on the belief that the whole spiders thing may have traumatized him. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up like his father in the flashback, disliking anything etheric. Assuming that's his father, of course.
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Post by vulpixlb on Oct 16, 2010 12:22:58 GMT
I also hope that the downer reaction of Annie hints to something more, because I find it a break in the style of the comic. It feels a bit like breaking to much the fourth wall and it decreases the realistic feel that the comic has. But I trust Tom, so it probably has a deeper meaning than this. I also think that Annie has some feelings for other persons, that she doesn't recognize herself. I think those will go out to Reinard or Coyote.
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Post by theweatherman on Oct 16, 2010 12:57:20 GMT
You know I'm going to laugh so hard when the next comic comes round and her interruption is barely referenced to.
Cos honestly, I don't think this means much, I'm not comfortable around romantic couples either, and if I had just almost died and been forced to experience a angry ghost's life and death, I'd be a lil out of it too.
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 16, 2010 17:07:32 GMT
And you're trying to say that's not possible because she'd have to be looking straight in front of her to zone out? I don't get it. By your logic, it's impossible to say what any character is ever looking at, because gee, they might be just zoning out instead. Or we could travel the less insane path, and conclude that Tom drew Annie with her head specifically turned toward Parley because she's watching Parley.
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Post by jayne on Oct 16, 2010 18:09:03 GMT
And you're trying to say that's not possible because she'd have to be looking straight in front of her to zone out? I don't get it. By your logic, it's impossible to say what any character is ever looking at, because gee, they might be just zoning out instead. Or we could travel the less insane path, and conclude that Tom drew Annie with her head specifically turned toward Parley because she's watching Parley. Okay so since this is OBVIOUS to you, you're blind to the idea its anything else. In this comic, in the first three panels, Annie is not looking at anyone... she's deep in thought. In this comic, Kat gets up to see what Parley is doing directly behind Annie. Annie does not get up or turn to watch. If she's looking at at anyone, its Kat but then you see, she's still deep in thought and not looking at Kat. So far, you've never admitted when you're wrong so I suspect you'll continue to insist Annie is looking at Parley (who is behind her the whole time), or you'll say nothing. Oh wait, I forgot... disagreeing with you is the INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE path!
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 16, 2010 20:22:18 GMT
So far, you've never admited when you're wrong... I've admitted it every time it's happened.
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Post by jayne on Oct 16, 2010 20:43:45 GMT
So far, you've never admitted when you're wrong... I've admitted it every time it's happened. HA! Since you've never admitted it, you must think you've never been wrong.
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Post by todd on Oct 16, 2010 23:02:43 GMT
I also hope that the downer reaction of Annie hints to something more, because I find it a break in the style of the comic. It feels a bit like breaking to much the fourth wall and it decreases the realistic feel that the comic has. I thought that the video game intermission between Chapters Eighteen and Nineteen felt like far more of a case of "breaking the fourth wall". And I still think that Annie's being more focused on solving the Jeanne problem than on Parley and Smith's relationship is perfectly in character for her.
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