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Post by chibicarrera on Oct 5, 2010 3:22:09 GMT
I'll say just one thing.
I want smoochies.
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Post by Amethyst on Oct 5, 2010 4:18:03 GMT
This page really demonstrates how much taller Parley is to Smitty. So Parley goes for the boys smaller than her, huh?
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Post by Max on Oct 5, 2010 4:24:59 GMT
And now Parley managed to prove her worth at last, and even pulled this infant prodigy's butt out of the fire. This should do something for her self-esteem. Yeah, but she could also decide to play the role of the older student putting the younger child in her place for putting her butt in the fire in the first place.
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Post by Amethyst on Oct 5, 2010 4:38:02 GMT
Also, Annie is 12 or 13 years old. ANYONE would have a bit of damp underwear after that experience, so I wouldn't really say she's a coward for being afraid of the sword-wielding ghost.
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Post by warrl on Oct 5, 2010 5:02:19 GMT
This page really demonstrates how much taller Parley is to Smitty. So Parley goes for the boys smaller than her, huh? I get the impression that she doesn't have much choice about that.
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Post by kunchichi on Oct 5, 2010 9:15:34 GMT
On the subject of the "coward's heart," didn't anyone think back to Diego? Remember how when they found his little shrine to Jeanne, Renardine called Diego a coward and also added "This is all that remains of a man's heart" or some such, in reference to the shrine?
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Post by Brinunah on Oct 5, 2010 9:52:15 GMT
...I only have one thing to say... I LOVE how this thread has more or less turned into a full-on plea for some actual cannon action between Parley and Smitty. I have to admit myself that I'm rooting for these crazy lil lovebirds and hope that they will hurry up and get on with professing their undying love for each other, plus a tackle kiss on Parley's part. ;DDD
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Post by todd on Oct 5, 2010 10:42:45 GMT
I've mentioned this before, but I think that Annie's initial calmness and seeming fearlessness in the face of the etheric, in the early chapters of the comic, stemmed from the only etheric beings whom she'd met before coming to Gunnerkrigg (as far as we know) were the Guides (who, for all their seeming fearsomeness, aren't that bad - note Muut's response to Annie as a small child coming up to him and saying "Hello, mister, I like your face") and a frightened young ghost-boy. The first two etheric beings whom she met after coming to the Court were also friendly: Shadow2 and Basil. So Annie most likely assumed that all etheric beings were like that.
Since then, of course, she met a lot of etheric beings who were far more dangerous (Reynardine in his attempt to possess her, Jeanne, Ysengrin, etc.) - and whom she was only saved from by someone coming to her rescue. I think it possible that those encounters would have shaken her original assumptions about the etheric world and its inhabitants - so the shift from her calm response in the early chapters to signs of fear in the latter makes sense.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Oct 5, 2010 12:01:06 GMT
I wouldn't blame Parley if she is utterly furious at Annie. This is the second time that Parley knows of (third in reality) that Annie meddles with the boundary between Court and Forest, to her mortal danger and without sufficient regard for the consequences.
Parley protected Annie as she would a little sister, now let the scolding begin.
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Post by dismalscientist on Oct 5, 2010 12:31:04 GMT
I LOVE how this thread has more or less turned into a full-on plea for some actual cannon action between Parley and Smitty. As fun as that might be, I'm not sure battling with heavy artillery matches the tone that Tom wishes to set here ...
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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 13:10:01 GMT
I've mentioned this before, but I think that Annie's initial calmness and seeming fearlessness in the face of the etheric, in the early chapters of the comic, stemmed from the only etheric beings whom she'd met before coming to Gunnerkrigg (as far as we know) were the Guides (who, for all their seeming fearsomeness, aren't that bad - note Muut's response to Annie as a small child coming up to him and saying "Hello, mister, I like your face") and a frightened young ghost-boy. The first two etheric beings whom she met after coming to the Court were also friendly: Shadow2 and Basil. So Annie most likely assumed that all etheric beings were like that. Since then, of course, she met a lot of etheric beings who were far more dangerous (Reynardine in his attempt to possess her, Jeanne, Ysengrin, etc.) - and whom she was only saved from by someone coming to her rescue. I think it possible that those encounters would have shaken her original assumptions about the etheric world and its inhabitants - so the shift from her calm response in the early chapters to signs of fear in the latter makes sense. I believe she has learned (or possible been taught by her father) that a calm demeanor has good results. When she met Basil, if she had acted as most people would act, it would not have gone so well.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 5, 2010 15:06:16 GMT
Regarding panel 7, what's next? Pick one item a->1->2->b->c->3 But seriously, Tom does keep us guessing. <blink> <blink> <checking the window title> <checking the URL bar> ...really? ;D And now Parley managed to prove her worth at last, and even pulled this infant prodigy's butt out of the fire. This should do something for her self-esteem. Yeah, but she could also decide to play the role of the older student putting the younger child in her place for putting her butt in the fire in the first place. It looks like Parley has a habit of starting a little offensive action when unsure what to do, yes. But now she's just "accepted into a higher league". This experience happened to shake her a lot, so she isn't in a good shape for screaming at anyone right now. And when she'll calm down she's going to realize "what the hell was THAT?" is still a question even if she has a good idea about some parts of it. And thus doesn't know how to start, other than with repeating her question. Moreover, Parley seem to knock her antics off and become quiet and composed when the situation is serious. And this was serious. Much more so than getting under controlled circumstances acquainted with a ghost boy who can make illusory spiders (think about it), anyway. ;D Even if this will not move her to make important decisions of her own (i'd be really surprised by this). I LOVE how this thread has more or less turned into a full-on plea for some actual cannon action between Parley and Smitty. I have to admit myself that I'm rooting for these crazy lil lovebirds It just reached the point where this gone past " exasperating" and into "not making any sense at all". So she have to do something. Though using artillery, while generally in Parley's style, may be too much, really.
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Post by caelo on Oct 5, 2010 15:06:51 GMT
Well I must say I was under the impression Annie didn't do anything because having the blinker stone held by Jeanne caused her to be paralyzed. So she wasn't really being stopped by her fear but by Jeanne power.
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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 15:22:31 GMT
Well I must say I was under the impression Annie didn't do anything because having the blinker stone held by Jeanne caused her to be paralyzed. So she wasn't really being stopped by her fear but by Jeanne power. Hi Caelo and welcome aboard! Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie!
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Post by evantha on Oct 5, 2010 17:57:08 GMT
Well I must say I was under the impression Annie didn't do anything because having the blinker stone held by Jeanne caused her to be paralyzed. So she wasn't really being stopped by her fear but by Jeanne power. Hi Caelo and welcome aboard! Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie! Well I think Annie didn't take the blinker stote because it's not wise to get so close to someone who has a sword and has used it against you before....
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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 18:42:41 GMT
Hi Caelo and welcome aboard! Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie! Well I think Annie didn't take the blinker stote because it's not wise to get so close to someone who has a sword and has used it against you before.... But if she wasn't able to do it.... its still wise not to get too close to someone with a sword and has used it against you before! Its wise not to fly into the sun but I can't call myself wise for not doing it.
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Post by percival on Oct 5, 2010 18:47:21 GMT
Hi Caelo and welcome aboard! Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie! Well I think Annie didn't take the blinker stote because it's not wise to get so close to someone who has a sword and has used it against you before.... She's wondering why Annie couldn't just blink the stone back into her hand. I'm guessing that trick only works when she's in her physical body. Either that, or Jeanne has some ethereal power to hold on to the stone. Reynardine warned Annie against using the stone like this, though his advice could have been more clear. Also, Anja should have warned her about these sorts of things happening, assuming she knows of the dangers.
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Post by jayne on Oct 5, 2010 19:20:48 GMT
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Post by Refugee on Oct 5, 2010 22:57:21 GMT
"Annie currently has no control...." I took that to mean that as long as Jeanne held the stone, she could override Annie's control. As soon as it left Jeanne's hand, though, it was Annie's again.
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Post by Mylian on Oct 5, 2010 23:50:07 GMT
Reynardine warned Annie against using the stone like this, though his advice could have been more clear. Also, Anja should have warned her about these sorts of things happening, assuming she knows of the dangers. Still, this isn't the first time using the blinker stone as a spying tool has backfired on her in some way. Maybe this time she'll finally learn that it's Not A Good Idea.
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 5, 2010 23:57:25 GMT
Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie! Occam's Razor says a ~12 year old girl faced with an enraged sword-wielding ghost will probably be paralyzed perfectly fine without having to invoke magic paralyzing powers.
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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 0:11:03 GMT
Yes, I agree. Jeanne had Annie absolutely trapped. I wondered why Annie couldn't just take the stone back like she did when Jack took it but Jeanne didn't just hold the stone, she had absolute control of the stone, and with it, Annie! Occam's Razor says a ~12 year old girl faced with an enraged sword-wielding ghost will probably be paralyzed perfectly fine without having to invoke magic paralyzing powers. Occam's Razor says a ~12 year old girl should never actually be faced with an enraged sword-wielding ghost It also says a ghost shouldn't be able to wield a sword.... and there is no such thing as ghosts.... so now all you've got is a 12 year old girl and a sword sitting idly. Edit: Oh wait, you don't even have the girl because you can't really astrally project yourself using a crystal as a focusing device.
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Post by caelo on Oct 6, 2010 0:24:36 GMT
lols I caused the forum ripples with my first post. What I meant is given your forewarning that spying with a blinker stone is dangers we may assume that any being with sufficient psychic power can over power a blinker stones wielder. We know for sure that a blinker stone may be wielded by others that are not there owners. Also we know that for now the only owner specific ability is recall. I think simply Jeanne used her physic power to bind the stone.
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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 0:50:34 GMT
That's how I understood the scene. I think its very possible that Annie is the first person who both knew about Jeanne and actually had a blinker stone. Maybe no one has heard of something like this happening.
Rey's warning was more of a 'gotcha' than a 'there is grave danger' thing.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 6, 2010 0:59:58 GMT
... Its wise not to fly into the sun but I can't call myself wise for not doing it. Ah, but it is wise to realize that not doing so doesn't make you wise. Ha ha, anyway, great analogy.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Oct 6, 2010 1:11:09 GMT
Define "full body hug" first. Is this the old one arm high and one arm low, both arms waist-high, or the koala? I was thinking more along the lines of a full body press, the details of which are not suitable for a family audience (nudge, wink). But that was just hopeful embellishment - I seriously doubt Smitty could conceive of such a hug. Regarding panel 7, what's next? Pick one item a->1->2->b->c->3 Great action sequence!
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Post by zylonbane on Oct 6, 2010 3:24:50 GMT
Occam's Razor says a ~12 year old girl should never actually be faced with an enraged sword-wielding ghost This response is pure nonsense. Please go read up on what Occam's Razor means.
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Post by legion on Oct 6, 2010 9:39:05 GMT
Occam's Razor actually means the simplest theory (with the least unknown factors) should be investigated first. It doesn't the simplest theory is automatically right.
Also, humour?
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Post by Per on Oct 6, 2010 10:17:51 GMT
Blinker stoats?
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Post by jayne on Oct 6, 2010 11:09:37 GMT
Occam's Razor says a ~12 year old girl should never actually be faced with an enraged sword-wielding ghost This response is pure nonsense. Please go read up on what Occam's Razor means. Actually, applying Occam's Razor to this story is really silly! Its like when Kat tells the possessed talking wolf doll that there's no such thing as magic. ("Psst, Kat.... you're talking to an example of magic") It makes me laugh whenever I read that! " ...the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question... " First of all, the question: "Why didn't Annie take the stone from Jeanne and leave" Answer #1: "She's unable to take the stone from Jeanne" Answer #2: "She's unwilling to take the stone from Jeanne" This comic supports that she "can't" get back, not that she's afraid or unwilling to get back. Neither answer introduces assumptions or postulates entities. The point is, you're applying the rules of logic to Tom's creation. That's like saying I can't put nutmeg in meatloaf because its not on the recipe card. "Occam's Razor says there should be no nutmeg in meatloaf" Yeah but there IS cause I put it there!
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