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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 20, 2010 13:19:45 GMT
Maybe I'm just seeing things, but jeanne and steadman look absurdly familiar. Could it be that they're related, or in fact siblings? If they were, it would give jeanne all the more reason to styick around the annan waters, and all the more reason for steadman to feel guilty. Either way, THE PLOT THICKENS. Great observation -- it does look like they might be siblings. Perhaps then his jealousy is because he doesn't want his sister wooed away to the forest, or he sees her green suitor as somehow unworthy of his sister. In that case, he's probably more than a little conflicted because he loves Jeanne and wants her to be happy, but feels that she's making a terrible mistake. He might actually have grimly welcomed the opportunity for killing her lover, using some twisted internal justification that it may hurt her emotionally at first, but "it's what's best for her" in the long run. On the other hand, that doesn't really jive with Sir Young's closing remarks here. It looks like Steadman knew Jeanne would not be coming back from the Annan Waters, so there is no long run for her. Whatever the backstory -- if they are siblings, it makes things much sadder.
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 20, 2010 13:45:06 GMT
I knew it!
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 20, 2010 13:48:05 GMT
There's no real evidence to support this, as it seems that the notes were delivered via hawk. Maybe I'm just seeing things, but jeanne and steadman look absurdly familiar. Could it be that they're related, or in fact siblings? If they were, it would give jeanne all the more reason to styick around the annan waters, and all the more reason for steadman to feel guilty. Either way, THE PLOT THICKENS. I doubt they're siblings. Apart from having blonde hair (of different hues), they look nothing alike. Different noses, different chins, different face shapes, and different ears.
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Post by arucard on Sept 20, 2010 14:07:34 GMT
(Bit of a strech, I admit. Don't think the ravine is quite that deep.) I don't remember if this was actually said somewhere or not, but I always had this idea that the ravine is actually very deep. If I'm not mistaken there was a page where Tom commented that the river looked smaller than it actually was, since the wall of the ravine was pretty big and the river looked small on proportion...
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 14:13:39 GMT
(Bit of a strech, I admit. Don't think the ravine is quite that deep.) I don't remember if this was actually said somewhere or not, but I always had this idea that the ravine is actually very deep. If I'm not mistaken there was a page where Tom commented that the river looked smaller than it actually was, since the wall of the ravine was pretty big and the river looked small on proportion... Yes, he's said he has a hard time drawing it in perspective since its so deep and the cliff walls seem close but they're not. We do know Annie was able to have a flashback and get saved by birds before hitting the water. She was falling for a while.
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 14:23:37 GMT
You'll hear a whistling arrow coming. Maybe early enough to actually see it before it hits you (Bit of a stretch, I admit. Don't think the ravine is quite that deep.) I think that arrow was used as a model for the device but it made no sound. Whatever it did, whistling wasn't it.
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Post by legion on Sept 20, 2010 14:53:59 GMT
Good page.
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 20, 2010 14:54:03 GMT
Such betrayal. At first, I wondered if it was one letter or many, but Jeanne's changing outfit made that clear. Well done, Tom. I see no conflict at all with her later not wanting to go to the ravine. She made these plans with her lover, sure, but they were supposed to be private plans to escape. When she learns that the Court intends to put her down there at the appointed time herself, she has to know that her plan is compromised - and worse, co-opted for their own purpose. What I find intriguing is that there is one arrow, but somehow two must die. If her elf-friend makes it back, the Forest would know what transpired to seal the river. I fear that the arrow caused her some aetheric damage, making her the guardian...just as her lover was crossing the river to be with her. I think it's probably a good thing Kat isn't seeing this.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 20, 2010 14:57:11 GMT
For a flashback that's entirely from Jeanne's perspective, it sure seems to have a lot of third-person omniscient detail.
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Post by Casey on Sept 20, 2010 15:08:53 GMT
If the arrow hit and killed Green Guy in Jeanne's presence, then why would Diego later say that she died waiting?
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 15:11:32 GMT
For a flashback that's entirely from Jeanne's perspective, it sure seems to have a lot of third-person omniscient detail. I don't think this is a flashback. I think Parley is having a psychic vision after Jeanne touched her. Its possible that Jeanne is learning some things that she never knew before.
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Post by Elaienar on Sept 20, 2010 16:05:31 GMT
I see no conflict at all with her later not wanting to go to the ravine. She made these plans with her lover, sure, but they were supposed to be private plans to escape. When she learns that the Court intends to put her down there at the appointed time herself, she has to know that her plan is compromised - and worse, co-opted for their own purpose. I agree. It's quite possible that after Jeanne agreed to meet Elfboy there (assuming that she did agree) the Court approached her and offered to help her get down to the river, maybe asking for a small favour in return. Knowing how much animosity there is between the Court and Gillitie Wood, she'd naturally be suspicious of their motives, leading to the conversation with Diego where she says she doesn't want to go.
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Post by kinnu on Sept 20, 2010 16:20:08 GMT
All communication should involve Steadman firing arrows at things. New signature obtained! Hurrah. I am so glad Steadman's getting more screentime, he is so cool. :3
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Post by americonedream on Sept 20, 2010 17:23:18 GMT
If the arrow hit and killed Green Guy in Jeanne's presence, then why would Diego later say that she died waiting? Perhaps Elfboy and Jeanne met up at that time more than once since it's a series of letters. After all, isn't 3 o clock the witching hour? So if the letters were intercepted, somebody could have forged a letter from Elfboy telling Jeanne to meet him there. And once it was revealed that she was told to go down to the Annan waters by "them", she got suspicious but went anyway. So they knocked her out and lowered her down but before that, she was waiting for Elfboy to show up and if the letter was forged, Elfboy wouldn't have really been there. Maybe "they" told Jeanne that they were going to let her go. But she doesn't seem naive enough to believe anyone who screwed her over before. Or maybe Elfboy did send that letter and they killed him somehow. Maybe with an arrow? Hmm? So Jeanne would've gone there anyway even though everyone seemed to know she was going and she died waiting for someone who would never come. Or maybe I'm wrong, idk. xD
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Post by basser on Sept 20, 2010 19:39:22 GMT
I am very confused but enjoyably so.
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Post by wynne on Sept 20, 2010 19:50:58 GMT
Could be they killed Elfboy before, during the escape, and that's why Jeanne pined and didn't want to go down there.
Have I mentioned how much I love Steadman's hair? I know he's hardly the greatest guy in the world, but I just want to ruffle it. He's a Studman indeed.
[edit] If Elfboy sent Jeanne letters using a hawk, why couldn't she reply the same way, a la Harry Potter or Carrier Pigeon? Studman the Delivery Guy seems kind of unnecessary.
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 19:55:26 GMT
Could be they killed Elfboy before, during the escape, and that's why Jeanne pined and didn't want to go down there. Have I mentioned how much I love Steadman's hair? I know he's hardly the greatest guy in the world, but I just want to ruffle it. He's a Studman indeed. [edit] If Elfboy sent Jeanne letters using a hawk, why couldn't she reply the same way, a la Harry Potter or Carrier Pigeon? Studman the Delivery Guy seems kind of unnecessary. Love letters take a while to write. The bird wouldn't want to stick around that long.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Sept 20, 2010 20:09:23 GMT
Do we even know that the elf really wrote the message to her? It could be a forgery.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 20, 2010 20:13:30 GMT
I think Parley is having a psychic vision after Jeanne touched her. EVERYBODY thinks that. It's kind of obvious. And this new knowledge would be coming from... where?
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Post by bookworm on Sept 20, 2010 20:18:15 GMT
Do we even know that the elf really wrote the message to her? It could be a forgery. That's what I was thinking...it's possible someone in the court is writing her the letters, and since she and her guy are on opposite sides of the ravine they'd never be able to ask each other about the letters. Not sure what purpose this would serve, though...
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 20, 2010 20:32:27 GMT
And this new knowledge would be coming from... where? Parley's ability to manipulate space-time, perhaps? I know, Jones said 'manipulation of space,' but she was basically guessing. Personally, I think we're just being shown a life viewed in retrospect. Steadman was the only one who saw those letters, so he must have betrayed her. Young was the court's protector, so any plan to alter the water in this way must have involved him, etc.
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Post by Rex on Sept 20, 2010 20:42:45 GMT
Wow, I'm loving this week's pages so far. I really wonder what's going to happen after this little psychic session is over. Will Jeanne just stand there? Will some features return to her? My guess is that someone will break Parley's contact with Annie, and Jeanne will let go the blinker stone.
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 21:04:07 GMT
I think Parley is having a psychic vision after Jeanne touched her. EVERYBODY thinks that. It's kind of obvious. And this new knowledge would be coming from... where? From the court itself. George is having a vision about past events from the court. George is still standing on court ground after all. She's in physical contact so she can 'see' what has happened there.
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Post by jayne on Sept 20, 2010 21:07:45 GMT
I'm not sure if physical contact is important but the idea is that the visions are not coming from Jeanne, she just triggered the reaction in Parley and Parley is picking up what we're seeing now.
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Post by todd on Sept 20, 2010 22:18:19 GMT
For a flashback that's entirely from Jeanne's perspective, it sure seems to have a lot of third-person omniscient detail. You could say the same thing about "Gunnerkrigg Court" itself - it's presented as Annie's memories of her time at the Court (at least at first; Annie's last piece of narration was in Chapter Fifteen), but contains a lot of information from the perspective of other characters, things that Annie is unlikely to have known. (Maybe that's why Annie's narration hasn't shown up since the middle of Chapter Fifteen.)
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Post by chibicarrera on Sept 20, 2010 23:00:31 GMT
I think this might still be a point where Jeanne didn't see anything wrong with loving Elfboy. She just felt it was harder to see him thanks to the divide. Everyone else hated the fact she was with him from the beginning. Of course, somewhere deep down inside, she knows it's wrong because he's a quote-on-quote "traitor", but she chooses to ignore it.
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Post by psycatic on Sept 20, 2010 23:38:13 GMT
I don't know if it's Parley's psychic powers that are causing the vision. I got the impression that it was because she's smitten with Smitty. On page 9 of the chapter, there's a little glowy thing coming from Parley that looks a bit like a heart. Maybe Jeanne can "tell" Parley her story because they have the connection that they both are (were in Jeanne's case) in love? www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=771On a side note, I wonder what would happen when someone with short hair goes into "spirit world mode". I want to see Smitty with flowing hair!
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Post by fr4tbrn on Sept 21, 2010 0:16:55 GMT
Well that's a familiar pose. I guess that about wraps up this flashback, and on wednesday it'll end abruptly just as Diego arrives and offers Jeanne a gift. Possibly. she's wearing a different outfit though. in this panel she's in a vibrant red, but on page 651 she seems to have faded to white... if we're going for visual metaphors here.
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Post by serendipity on Sept 21, 2010 0:41:44 GMT
Argh. All I can think of about this is:
What happened to Jeanne's red choker?!
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 21, 2010 1:07:22 GMT
I'm not sure if physical contact is important but the idea is that the visions are not coming from Jeanne, she just triggered the reaction in Parley and Parley is picking up what we're seeing now. Also, Parley is really a ham sandwich.
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