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Post by n3m0 on Sept 13, 2010 15:29:58 GMT
This would be supported by earlier comics that showed she trusted him up until just before she put two and two together about his involvement in the ravine plan. I don't think I'd go any further than "wasn't threatened by." Perhaps, but there had to be some trust on her part in order for her to turn to Diego for help after hearing about the ravine plan. One of the robot flashbacks showed that.
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Post by jayne on Sept 13, 2010 16:09:51 GMT
I think Jeanne and Diego were friends... not best friends but like 'schoolmate/coworker' type friends. Jeanne knew Diego was smitten by her but she didn't encourage that... she probably gently discouraged him as not to hurt his feelings. Her embarrassed smile seems to say, "aw... poor Diego is watching us... "
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Post by Casey on Sept 13, 2010 16:10:11 GMT
I did not notice Diego in the windows on the second floor in the bottom left "panel" as they are walking away, until I looked at it again just now.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 13, 2010 16:15:12 GMT
Where did you get that ominous red halo, Diego? I was wondering that myself. I'm impressed that Tom can give someone a red glow while still somehow managing to make them emanate coldness at the same time. Amazing, but creepy.
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Post by phyzome on Sept 13, 2010 16:18:07 GMT
You know, if Parley is the one seeing all this, all this information is going to be completely useless, because she isn't up to date on the details that Annie and Kat have, and nobody ever properly communicates in this comic. It could be YEARS before Annie learns this information. Hm, it's been my opinion that the communication between characters in GC has been far better than in most stories I've read. I hate hate hate that device. I have trouble accepting characters that make terrible decisions, like keeping secrets or neglecting to mention important observations. ("Hey Jack, there's a flippin' SPIDER on your HEAD.") So, from that perspective, GC is borderline for me.
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Post by unrequited on Sept 13, 2010 16:18:45 GMT
You say creepy, I say a tortured man who loves a woman who doesn't love him back. A man who will never know love, a man who will never know the happiness and joy of it, even when he tries...
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 13, 2010 16:19:03 GMT
Although I suppose it's possible that he was just passing by the window and just saw them outside and was staring because he was surprised. It might not be as creepy as we're imagining. The visual cues (the darkness Diego is hiding in, especially since it contrasts with the light outside and is mixed with red) imply something more sinister. The fact that Tom is not commenting on the page also makes it less likely that this is some sort of red herring. You know, if Parley is the one seeing all this, all this information is going to be completely useless, because she isn't up to date on the details that Annie and Kat have, and nobody ever properly communicates in this comic. It could be YEARS before Annie learns this information. I doubt it's Jeanne's intention to spill all the secrets of what happened to her in order to satisfy someone's curiosity. She may not care whether or not her mystery is solved. Jeanne seems to want to show Parley part of her story because she feels Parley can gain from her experience in some way. Personally, I hope it will inspire Parley to be more honest about her feelings for Smitty.
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Post by Mishmash on Sept 13, 2010 16:26:01 GMT
Another beautifully drawn page, I am loving this section.
It may be worth noting that we are seeing Jeanne's memories of these events, after the whole "Diego coming up with a plot that ended with her trapped as a ghost in a ravine" thing. So that could explain why he seems so sinister and glowy. At the time Jeanne probably just spotted him looking out and was slightly ebarrassed, but thought nothing of it. Could be that only in retrospect does she think of it as creepy like we see in this page.
Okay I could have articulated that better, but hopefully my meaning is clear...
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 13, 2010 16:29:35 GMT
You say creepy, I say a tortured man who loves a woman who doesn't love him back. A man who will never know love, a man who will never know the happiness and joy of it, even when he tries... I would not call what Diego feels love. At best, he loves the idea of her that he has built up in his head, but he does not understand her enough to truly love her*. He may have been a tortured man who never knew love, but it's his own damn fault. Rather than seek love in more fertile fields, he chose to be bitter. The way he desired her was obsessive, possessive, and creepy, and when she refused him, he took vengeance rather than accept her decision. That is not love. * As seen in their first encounter in chapter 25.
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Post by Casey on Sept 13, 2010 16:30:31 GMT
Ghosts usually hang around on earth because they have some unfinished business with the mortal plane, right? Maybe having her story known is part of what is keeping Jeanne here.
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Post by jayne on Sept 13, 2010 16:36:49 GMT
You say creepy, I say a tortured man who loves a woman who doesn't love him back. A man who will never know love, a man who will never know the happiness and joy of it, even when he tries... Aye, Diego is a tragic character... even worse since we've seen his last moments... there is no hope for him. Poor Diego will never know love. Jeanne probably treated him kindly and he fell in love with her. He logically deduced she should love him back because he loved her so much. All he thought he had to do was tell her he loved her and that's it... she should be happy. (He was honestly surprised when this didn't happen)
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Post by unrequited on Sept 13, 2010 16:44:47 GMT
You say creepy, I say a tortured man who loves a woman who doesn't love him back. A man who will never know love, a man who will never know the happiness and joy of it, even when he tries... I would not call what Diego feels love. At best, he loves the idea of her that he has built up in his head, but he does not understand her enough to truly love her*. He may have been a tortured man who never knew love, but it's his own damn fault. Rather than seek love in more fertile fields, he chose to be bitter. The way he desired her was obsessive, possessive, and creepy, and when she refused him, he took vengeance rather than accept her decision. That is not love. * As seen in their first encounter in chapter 25. I think almost everybody has some sense of love, but all your other points I accept. He really should've moved on with his life, but his bitterness became what did the person he loved in, by his own hand and with the intention to, for icing on the cake. My sympathy for the man ends the moment he enacts his scheme. Just goes to show ya kids that you need to profess your love to whom you love before he/she starts dating some woodland elf/real person. Otherwise, you'll become a bitter little man/girl. And, as always, I admire your artwork Tom. One of the reasons I keep coming back, besides all the awesome characters and witty dialogue.
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Post by jayne on Sept 13, 2010 16:45:08 GMT
I don't think I'd go any further than "wasn't threatened by." Perhaps, but there had to be some trust on her part in order for her to turn to Diego for help after hearing about the ravine plan. One of the robot flashbacks showed that. I'm not sure she turned to Diego for help... I think Diego went to her to tell her she had to go down to the river and she just replied that she didn't want to go.
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Post by blastdragon on Sept 13, 2010 16:52:25 GMT
I see a fault in today's comic. When you look for Diego in the building left-under, you will see he is hiding in the left-most window from three together. But if you look at the medium close up (the middle version of Diego) you can't see the other windows anymore. In fact, now it looks more like Diego is peeking from an other window.
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 13, 2010 17:01:39 GMT
I see a fault in today's comic. When you look for Diego in the building left-under, you will see he is hiding in the left-most window from three together. But if you look at the medium close up (the middle version of Diego) you can't see the other windows anymore. In fact, now it looks more like Diego is peeking from an other window. I think that was more of an artistic blending of the medium shot and the close-up, but it might have been accidental.
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Post by Alexandragon on Sept 13, 2010 17:17:32 GMT
I did not notice Diego in the windows on the second floor in the bottom left "panel" as they are walking away, until I looked at it again just now. Hm, perhaps he follows them in wood? Also: I see a fault in today's comic. When you look for Diego in the building left-under, you will see he is hiding in the left-most window from three together. But if you look at the medium close up (the middle version of Diego) you can't see the other windows anymore. In fact, now it looks more like Diego is peeking from an other window. Maybe he is just walking or, yes, simply, edge of a window is not noted in drawing.... You say creepy, I say a tortured man who loves a woman who doesn't love him back. A man who will never know love, a man who will never know the happiness and joy of it, even when he tries... I would not call what Diego feels love. At best, he loves the idea of her that he has built up in his head, but he does not understand her enough to truly love her*. He may have been a tortured man who never knew love, but it's his own damn fault. Rather than seek love in more fertile fields, he chose to be bitter. The way he desired her was obsessive, possessive, and creepy, and when she refused him, he took vengeance rather than accept her decision. That is not love. * As seen in their first encounter in chapter 25. I'm absolutely agreed with you. Ghosts usually hang around on earth because they have some unfinished business with the mortal plane, right? Maybe having her story known is part of what is keeping Jeanne here. The Story of her love and beginning of Separation between Court and G. Forest. Also, I think, we will see more information about Coyote and his "family", and what really happening where long years ago...
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 13, 2010 19:09:48 GMT
I don't think I'd go any further than "wasn't threatened by." Perhaps, but there had to be some trust on her part in order for her to turn to Diego for help after hearing about the ravine plan. One of the robot flashbacks showed that. Ah, yeah, I can see that. I had figured that she simply knew he was involved with the planning in some capacity, and was appealing to him knowing of his fondness for her. Also: pronouns abound.
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Post by Per on Sept 13, 2010 19:13:29 GMT
I'm impressed that Tom can give someone a red glow while still somehow managing to make them emanate coldness at the same time. It's the glasses. People with glasses are evil. People with glasses that don't show their eyes are doubly evil.
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Post by Darkhand on Sept 13, 2010 19:45:08 GMT
It's the glasses. People with glasses are evil. People with glasses that don't show their eyes are doubly evil. People swathed in shadow, with extremely reflective glasses are exponentially evil.
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Post by nadir on Sept 13, 2010 20:58:46 GMT
I suppose Jeanne should have gone freaky further into the forest if she didn't want Diego watching.
Concerning the post about the window inconsistency, it's possible Diego moved to another window to get a better look, plus the trees might be blocking.
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Post by reptar on Sept 13, 2010 21:13:50 GMT
Ghosts usually hang around on earth because they have some unfinished business with the mortal plane, right? Maybe having her story known is part of what is keeping Jeanne here. I had the thought that the only reason Jeanne's spirit is still down by the ravine is because she didn't know why she died. To me it seems that in order for the dead to move on with the psychopomps is that they have to understand why they died. Annie had to explain to Martin what he did before he would go with Dhoo and the other guy (I forget his name). And so, until she knows why she died, I don't think that Jeanne can move on.
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Post by Max on Sept 13, 2010 21:26:57 GMT
Annie had to explain to Martin what he did before he would go with Dhoo and the other guy (I forget his name). And so, until she knows why she died, I don't think that Jeanne can move on. I kinda thought that had more to do with the boy being in shock due to the trauma of the event, and Annie just helped him come to terms with the event.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 13, 2010 21:31:34 GMT
I support this and declare it cannon. If you're determined to barrel forward on this, I suppose you can't be muzzled. I don't mean to be a bore so I'll just take a powder.
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Post by warrl on Sept 13, 2010 21:31:49 GMT
Tom's use of space to work without actual frames is impressive. Notice how the second to last panel is a window shaped like a sword? Mark me somewhat less impressed. Take a good look at that frame. This is a tall narrow window that stands alone (not part of a group of two or three windows). To our right, about 2/3 of the width of the window, is an edge of some sort. On the frame just to our left of that, there is no such window. For some reason, I found that mildly jarring. On looking closer, I did find Diego in the building. He is there in a tall narrow window that is the leftmost in a set of three with very narrow separation between them. And in the bottom-right frame, he's looking out a rectangular window.
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Post by jayne on Sept 13, 2010 21:50:44 GMT
Tom's use of space to work without actual frames is impressive. Notice how the second to last panel is a window shaped like a sword? Mark me somewhat less impressed. Take a good look at that frame. This is a tall narrow window that stands alone (not part of a group of two or three windows). To our right, about 2/3 of the width of the window, is an edge of some sort. On the frame just to our left of that, there is no such window. For some reason, I found that mildly jarring. On looking closer, I did find Diego in the building. He is there in a tall narrow window that is the leftmost in a set of three with very narrow separation between them. And in the bottom-right frame, he's looking out a rectangular window. No, its the same window, just a progressive zoom shot. First view, three windows....you can make out a black arch pattern in the three windows and a shadow of Diego and his lens. Zoom closer and you see a closer shot of Diego in the window... the same pattern of the black arch is there. Its confusing because there should be another window next to this one, but the window's edge from the third zoom is hiding that window. Third zoom, you see a close up of the windows edge blending with the previous picture. The bottom of the arch pattern must be the leading used in creating a single window. (See stained glass windows for examples of the leading) Its not a square window, its the same window just the image is cut off at the natural division.
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Post by wanderer on Sept 13, 2010 22:07:24 GMT
Heck, Annie even tried to tell Jones about Jeanne, but Jones didn't want to hear it. You may want to refresh your memory a bit. Annie was the one vacillating about telling people. Jones merely recommended she wait until she has more complete data rather than try to explain something she didn't understand.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 13, 2010 23:21:18 GMT
When I was in school my friends and I found a moth during breaktime and proceeded to torture it to death. It was a giant one. The kind that hangs out on a tree waiting for nightfall. There was a girl we hated. She was crying pleading us to stop. You're just lucky she wasn't a cute telekinetic butcher. On the one hand, it would be cool, but on the other then you couldn't tell about it, so what's the point? If it's any consolation, you hardly could do to a common insect much that would truly upset it. Some may continue to drink nectar almost indefinitely, not noticing that it spills because half of the abdomen is sliced off. That was my first thought as well. However silly and fossilized this meme is, it fits here perfectly. Also the handsome-green-legolas-man is totally wearing a necklace that is suspiciously out of view even when it should be visible. Commence wild speculation! So far there are only two existing candidates: a blinker (i still say Jeanne once owned Annie's and that's why she's able to use it) and Parley's ether-glowing amulet. I think Annie is seeing this. Parley is connecting to Jeanne through Annie. It doesn't looks like this - after all, Jeanne touched Parley. But on the other hand (sorry), she currently handles that blinker - her right hand dropped the sword, but the left is closed. Which is another possible way Annie can participate... whether this was Jeanne's intention or not.
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Post by q3 on Sept 13, 2010 23:31:30 GMT
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 13, 2010 23:52:27 GMT
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Post by monte on Sept 14, 2010 0:28:25 GMT
Y'know i was actually a little surprised to find that Jeanne's lover was from the forest; mainly because Diego described him as a "traitor"... frankly i figured he was originally a member of the court who was exiled to the forest over something he did.
Though i guess it could be the case that he was originally a member of the court but chose to go join the forest and became some green guy; many in the court might think of that as treason, much how Yesengrin sees those who leave the forest to join the court... Jeanne however did not follow his lead for one reason or another, but still took the time to see him.
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