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Post by cheddarius on Jun 4, 2010 7:00:30 GMT
[730]What's up with Gamma, now?
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Post by sz on Jun 4, 2010 7:01:59 GMT
Trippiness keeps rising.
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Post by Snes on Jun 4, 2010 7:02:27 GMT
Gamma's such a sweet girl.
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 4, 2010 7:03:13 GMT
Well, actually, Gamma seems fine. Zimmy maybe goes insane once in a while and takes the shape of someone else? Maybe the problem's not with Gamma, but with Zimmy. Or Zimmy's tricking her, or something...
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Post by sz on Jun 4, 2010 7:10:37 GMT
Gamma still could be an illusion. Annie's seen her in Zimmingham before, so perhaps Annie isn't expecting her to be a nobody.
Or, well. Maybe both of them are actually in Zimmingham, but they are just very confused due to the unusual circumstances.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 4, 2010 7:11:01 GMT
DId anyone notice how Gamma's hair seems shorter in the last panel?
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Post by sz on Jun 4, 2010 7:18:10 GMT
Oh! Wait, has someone mentioned that this could be actually Jack's doing? Gamma sounds rather persistent on convincing Annie that she's actually Zimmy and looks surprised when Annie pushes on looking for Jack instead of thinking that she's Zimmy. Perhaps Jack has gained some sort of reality-bending powers in this Zimmingham (Birmingjack?) and is trying to isolate Annie, so he can meet Zimmy without disturbance.
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Post by shouqi on Jun 4, 2010 7:20:47 GMT
We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion, save that this is in fact Annie we're dealing with.
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Post by sz on Jun 4, 2010 7:23:01 GMT
Clearly Gamma is actually Jeanne.
And Annie is the robot king.
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Post by Snes on Jun 4, 2010 7:23:45 GMT
We don't have enough information to draw a conclusion, save that this is in fact Annie we're dealing with. True. I'd like to think that this is really how Gamma acts (either it is her or it's how Zimmy sees/remembers her). I like this Gamma. She deserves more screen time, all the hell she puts up with.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 4, 2010 7:42:41 GMT
Also, another thing. THere is more than one shot of Gamma being seen from behind. One panel has her hair covering up the white collar, while in the last panel, her hair is short enough that you can see the white collar.
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Post by judgedeadd on Jun 4, 2010 7:58:08 GMT
What the hey is an "iron leaning".
Failing that, what's a "floozy", apart from its dictionary definition.
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Post by Alex on Jun 4, 2010 8:07:33 GMT
Okay, I'm strongly in the "it's a holodeck simulation" camp by now. I think this is simulator-Gamma that Jack programmed to bring Zimmy to him. It thinks Annie is Zimmy because he didn't think anyone else would come in.
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 4, 2010 8:49:59 GMT
Aww, the sad Gamma face makes me, well, sad.
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Post by Rgemini on Jun 4, 2010 9:40:39 GMT
Okay, I'm strongly in the "it's a holodeck simulation" camp by now. I think this is simulator-Gamma that Jack programmed to bring Zimmy to him. It thinks Annie is Zimmy because he didn't think anyone else would come in. Me too, although this being GKC, Tom may well have (several) different ideas. I really like this storyline though.
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Post by Necropaxx on Jun 4, 2010 9:42:47 GMT
Gamma's expression in the 6th panel made me smile.
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Post by mojojojo on Jun 4, 2010 9:44:20 GMT
Signed up just to say - it's pretty clear to me we're not seeing Annie now 1)no scar 2)complete lack of surprise at being spoken to telepathically. 3) Gamma see through the fake stuff, so it's probably Zimmy. 4)Annie says there is "a boy with grey hair and a green coat" - Annie would know his name was Jack, Zimmy probably doesn't. 5) Annie says "No Gamma, it's me, a-annie". Notice the hyphen and small letter. Also I suspect Annie normally introduces herself as Antimony.
And I've just noticed, middle two panels of 729. First panel, Annie calls out "Zimmy, wait", Zimmy runs round the corner. Next panel, we see Annie appear from round the corner. Switcheroo.
Um but I figure everyone has already picked up these details, but I like listing things.
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Post by Chemical Rascal on Jun 4, 2010 9:50:00 GMT
Interesting point: Given "Annie's" direct response to Gamma in the first panel, I'm sold on the idea that it is Zimmy. I mean, Zimmyland is in Zimmy's head, right? So, it would make sense that if Zimmy had somehow come to think that she is actually Annie, she would appear as Annie in Zimmyland.
Of course, that doesn't explain how Zimmy would know of Jack's nefarious plans. However, I can't think of a good reason why Annie would suddenly be able to hear Gamma head-talk.
EDIT: Mainly ninja'd by mojojojo.
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Post by Yin on Jun 4, 2010 9:52:05 GMT
About (4), I suspect Gamma doesn't know who Jack is either, so Annie telling her that she's looking for Jack is of no use. But welcome, Mooooojo Jojo! (I miss Powerpuff Girls.)
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Post by todd on Jun 4, 2010 10:51:38 GMT
I still don't think that the notion "this is really Zimmy disguised as Annie" makes sense.
The concept sounds too much to me like a twist pulled off for a twist's sake, with no point. The chapter was building up to Annie confronting Jack on Jones' instructions, as part of her medium training. Why would Tom, after that, have Annie suddenly disappear and give the role of finding Jack and solving his problem to Zimmy? What point would that serve?
Having Gamma either being confused about whom she's speaking to, or else an illusion, would make far more narrative sense than pulling an abrupt shift from Annie to Zimmy.
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Post by kafine on Jun 4, 2010 11:20:55 GMT
I don't see why this can't be taken as-is. It may not make sense, but assuming that this isn't Gamma and/or she's wrong/lying, is to make it even more complicated. I'm just taking Gamma's word for it, for now. "It's Zimmy" is the least unessecarily convoluted way to take the scene, and not only that but it's the way most suggested on the page... And I've just noticed, middle two panels of 729. First panel, Annie calls out "Zimmy, wait", Zimmy runs round the corner. Next panel, we see Annie appear from round the corner. Switcheroo. . Indeed, that's what I assumed was happening when I read it.
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Post by Rasselas on Jun 4, 2010 11:30:25 GMT
So much delicious confusion, Tom must be rubbing his hands together and cackling evilly - oh wait. No hands.. those stumps then. :0
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Post by swordfish on Jun 4, 2010 11:35:22 GMT
Gamma always makes me smile. Though the fact that they might be running towards Jack is seriously worrying me.
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Post by todd on Jun 4, 2010 11:49:13 GMT
I don't see why this can't be taken as-is. It may not make sense, but assuming that this isn't Gamma and/or she's wrong/lying, is to make it even more complicated. I'm just taking Gamma's word for it, for now. "It's Zimmy" is the least unessecarily convoluted way to take the scene, and not only that but it's the way most suggested on the page... I think that it's far more complicated to have a sudden protagonist/p.o.v. shift take place between panels - and I don't even see the point of it. Why change the protagonist/p.o.v. from Annie to Zimmy? What point does that serve? Why would the big climactic encounter with Jack be, not the adventure of the narrator/protagonist whom we met all the way back in Chapter One, who's been trained for things like this, and who's already been confronting him throughout this two-parter, assigned the mission by Jones only a couple of pages ago, but of one of the supporting characters (if the supporting character whom Jack was pursuing), who has been off-stage throughout most of the two-parter? It doesn't make sense to me at all.
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Post by kafine on Jun 4, 2010 12:02:38 GMT
You're making assumptions about what's going to happen though. The scene may not unfold the way you are expecting. They may not even find Jack. This might just be about Zimmy, for now.
I think it's important to sometimes just let things not make sense, because you know Tom will have a good reason for it all in the end.
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Post by karellen on Jun 4, 2010 12:20:04 GMT
Aww, the sad Gamma face makes me, well, sad. Agreed, that panel is heart-rending. It reminds of the kind of expression one gets when an elderly parent or relative forgets your name. It's really not the kind of face a girl her age should be wearing. I can't really decide whether her or Zimmy have it worse in their relationship. As for everything else, maybe Zimmy is messing with Gamma to keep Jack away from her?
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Post by paracelsus on Jun 4, 2010 12:37:04 GMT
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed it out yet(could have missed it when I was reading the thread), but I think the weirdest thing going on in these pages is that Annie isn't talking polish, and Gamma can understand what she is saying.
I don't know whats going on, but something is definitely up.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on Jun 4, 2010 12:41:30 GMT
I'm kind of with the "holodeck" idea. Gamma is acting like an automaton that's programmed to trap Zimmy. Instead, Annie appears and the Gamatron, not being very smart, assumes it's Zimmy. But jeeze, Jack has got some skill now if he can do all that!
EDIT: The thing I forgot to say was that, if Jack created the holodeck as a Zimmy trap, why did Annie see Zimmy? And where did she disappear to?
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Post by Casey on Jun 4, 2010 12:41:51 GMT
I'm tickled by the notion that the "simplest and most straightforward explanation" apparently involves a complete point-of view shift, a personality swap, a disappearing protagonist, and complete amnesia of a minor character.
I think the strongest evidence that Annie is Annie and Gamma is not Gamma, is the fact that Annie is speaking out loud, not telepathically, in English, and Gamma understands her.
I think the whole scene is either an etheric or holographic simulation (more likely etheric, since Annie can feel "Gamma" touching her without a haptic suit) created by Jack and/or his stowaway from Zimmy's mind, in order to lure in the real Zimmy, which he's become convinced Annie is.
As convoluted as that might sound to someone who wants to believe a different scenario, I believe that objectively speaking, it's a lot less convoluted and involves a lot fewer violations of storytelling logic than the idea that Annie is actually Zimmy, that the real Annie magically disappeared in a puff of smoke, and that we have an entire protagonist-shift all of a sudden.
On the other hand though I still have to give a big thumbs-up to the storytelling, in that any explanation we can come up with requires at least a portion of convolution, which means Tom's keeping us all on our toes.
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Post by tustin2121 on Jun 4, 2010 12:53:38 GMT
Okay, I'm strongly in the "it's a holodeck simulation" camp by now. I think this is simulator-Gamma that Jack programmed to bring Zimmy to him. It thinks Annie is Zimmy because he didn't think anyone else would come in. Can I create a camp? A "This is reality were Zimmingham spilled over and messed up everyone's heads" camp? See here: I'm sorry if I didn't read the past two pages, but has anyone yet considered that the reason Annie doesn't have the scar is because this IS reality?!?!After all, we just went through several pages of Jones telling us that big enough overloads of the Zimmy-system causes her world to leak out into the real world! Zimmy's hell has just taken over the real world and Annie's in it, Gamma has been greatly affected by it, and Jones went through the wall and such because she wanted to avoid the slowly-increasing sphere of Zimmy world as long as possible (you know, along with not breaking the rope with her massive density).
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