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Post by hal9000 on Apr 1, 2010 20:28:04 GMT
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 1, 2010 22:22:58 GMT
Yesterday at 12:21pm, the moving pen of Todd doth write:
Why would he be desparate? He's immortal.
That may be true, but you're just re-stating the same argument at another level and claiming an interpretation of data is evidence in support of what it interprets. Yes, IF he intended to take Annie's body, then he was in the middle of the action, but no, if he intended to take the toy from the beginning, then it would have been part of a plan that he could have had years to work out, and days to fine tune the details after seeing Annie with the eyed doll.
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Post by avurai on Apr 1, 2010 23:39:49 GMT
Today at 12:21pm, the moving pen of Todd doth write:Why would he be desparate? He's immortal. IMO, he wasn’t worried about dying, so much as about never getting out. In fact, being immortal should actually have made him even more desperate. He’d have been trapped in there forever, so long as the Court was around and they had a warrior to keep him locked up. Not to mention the pain he probably endured. All the blood, impaled limbs, it probably hurt like hell. His first appearance was him on the roof, impaled in his leg, after an attempt to escape. So yes, I’d say he was desperate. Just because his perception of time might be shorter doesn’t mean his patience and pain reception isn’t normal.
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Post by Alex on Apr 2, 2010 1:13:49 GMT
I gotta go with Occam's Razor here.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Apr 2, 2010 1:50:41 GMT
I gotta go with Occam's Razor here. Seconded. Mainly because I did not really read everyone's theories all the way through, and Tom probably has some crazy thing anyways.
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Post by Casey on Apr 2, 2010 8:05:25 GMT
You go with Occam's Razor... I'm still going with "There's a whole other thread for just this conversation".
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 2, 2010 8:12:42 GMT
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Post by legion on Apr 2, 2010 11:08:59 GMT
I gotta go with Occam's Razor here. If I remember correctly, Occam's Razor just says that the simplest theory (to be understood as the theory which involves the fewest possible number of unknown informations) is to be investigated first; it doesn't actually say that said theory is automatically right :3
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Post by Casey on Apr 2, 2010 15:55:01 GMT
That is a very good point sir. I overlooked the obvious. Now that I've replied to your post, the link appears twice in this thread though!
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Post by evilanagram on Apr 2, 2010 18:40:18 GMT
I gotta go with Occam's Razor here. If I remember correctly, Occam's Razor just says that the simplest theory (to be understood as the theory which involves the fewest possible number of unknown informations) is to be investigated first; it doesn't actually say that said theory is automatically right :3 Actually, it says that the simplest solution is most likely the correct one.
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Post by legion on Apr 2, 2010 18:44:07 GMT
Which is why it should be investigated first.
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Post by evilanagram on Apr 2, 2010 18:54:46 GMT
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Post by Casey on Apr 2, 2010 19:44:47 GMT
Occam's Razor applies well in everyday decisions or in speculations about the real world, but in fiction I hardly think it applies because in fiction if everything was exactly as it appeared, then stories would be very boring and mystery novels wouldn't exist. It is the very nature of interesting fiction to create something that appears one way but ends up being another. Else your story gets labeled as predictable and formulaic... two things that I'm pretty sure Gunnerkrigg Court has never been accused of being. Except in the context of this debate, of course.
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Post by evilanagram on Apr 2, 2010 23:17:36 GMT
Occam's razor is frequently ( but not always) avoided in fiction, but sometimes fans latch onto a particular event and try to twist it around so that a character they like who came out of that event looking bad actually comes out looking good. When this happens, Occam's Razor usually applies. Example: Reynardine told Annie straight up that he needed her body, then he left Sivo's body and headed straight for Annie's face. Note that in panel three his spirit is spiraling straight into Annie's eye (the point he enters the body), and he's only a few centimeters away by the time Eglamore leaps into action. When Eglamore does knock Annie away and shields her from Renard, Rey screams, "No!" in frustration. Then, on the next page, as Eglamore and Annie land out of Renard's reach,[ url=http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=54]he mutters in frustration before entering the doll,[/url] the only thing with eyes that's near enough for him to possess it. The conclusion? Clearly Reynardine was aiming for the stuffed wolf the entire time. When he said he needed her body, he was talking about the toy, and he was only getting that close to Annie's eyes because they're super pretty and he thought they were worth a closer look. He was only screaming with rage and muttering angrily because when Eglamore knocked her away, he couldn't admire them anymore. It just makes sense. Well, either that, or things were exactly as they seemed and Reynardine just happens to be a complex character who has changed over time. I'm going with Occam's Razor.
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Post by Casey on Apr 3, 2010 1:13:21 GMT
You do realize, I hope (this is my fourth time to say it) that ALL OF THIS has been said multiple times in the thread that already exists for this topic? I'm just sayin'. Although I probably will stop saying it now, because, really, four times is three too many.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 3, 2010 13:28:05 GMT
Better we repeat talking points here than in those other threads.
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Post by xanbcoo on Apr 3, 2010 17:49:01 GMT
Is Reynardine's expression in these panels an admission of guilt about trying to kill Annie? Could be. Doesn't have to be. Don't be a smart aleck. Yeah, I said I realized it wasn't conclusive. I was bringing it up because Reynardine's expression can be considered new evidence for that argument. Personally I think it's easier to assume that Rey shows signs of guilt that he tried to attack Annie, rather than assuming he shows remorse because people think he tried to kill her. But obviously it could be much deeper than that.
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Post by Casey on Apr 4, 2010 16:13:22 GMT
Better we repeat talking points here than in those other threads. I've always liked your sense of humor
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 5, 2010 8:10:32 GMT
Better we repeat talking points here than in those other threads. I've always liked your sense of humor I can't win. When I deliberately say ridiculous stuff as a joke, at least one person assumes I'm being serious and bothers to correct me. When I accidentally say ridiculous stuff as mistake, the only correction I get is so steeped in irony that it's useless. Bah. I was mistaken in that post you quote. I thought at the time that this was the dedicated "Did Rey really try to blah blah blah" thread, not a page-specific comment thread. Because my preferred browsing method on the forum is to open every new thread at once in separate tabs and read through the new posts; this method carries the slight risk of losing track of what thread I'm in, especially if they go as off-topic as this one has. So let me set the record straight: We have an entire thread specifically dedicated to the question of whether or not Rey was really trying to possess Annie, and I agree it would be best to take that discussion there.
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Post by shouqi on Apr 5, 2010 13:35:26 GMT
Sure, she hit him, but she didn't take out Coyote... and even if she could I couldn't see Annie doing so. It's just not in her character. There's a core of compassion there. Also, that website is a creation of Zimmyville designed to eat your soul
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Post by Casey on Apr 5, 2010 14:38:05 GMT
I've always liked your sense of humor I can't win. When I deliberately say ridiculous stuff as a joke, at least one person assumes I'm being serious and bothers to correct me. When I accidentally say ridiculous stuff as mistake, the only correction I get is so steeped in irony that it's useless. Bah. I was mistaken in that post you quote. I thought at the time that this was the dedicated "Did Rey really try to blah blah blah" thread, not a page-specific comment thread. Because my preferred browsing method on the forum is to open every new thread at once in separate tabs and read through the new posts; this method carries the slight risk of losing track of what thread I'm in, especially if they go as off-topic as this one has. So let me set the record straight: We have an entire thread specifically dedicated to the question of whether or not Rey was really trying to possess Annie, and I agree it would be best to take that discussion there. May reply wasn't steeped in irony, it was honest... because from my point of view, this being one of the "other threads", I took what you said as being steeped in irony, and I thought it was a funny way of making a biting comment. Your comment may have been accidental, but seen in that light, it still works, so don't apologize for it! Take credit for a witty repartee that you didn't intend, no one will be the wiser!
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