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Post by foresterr on Mar 29, 2010 20:46:32 GMT
Boy is a h4xx0r, no doubt about it ;-) Well, not really. But it would fit the general theme of Jack being a guy who just has to put his nose into everything and know all the juicy bits of information and just go and see for himself, rules be damned. Besides, someone well-versed in robot cow maintenance and repair should be pretty handy around a computer, too. I really, really like these recent pages where Jack seems like quite a sane, smart, and even likeable person. I wonder if it's one big setup, though ;-)
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Post by Casey on Mar 29, 2010 21:32:27 GMT
If Jack found Reynardine's name on some Court records or something, maybe he could have found the name of the man Reynardine killed as well? That's actually an interesting idea. It would be pretty awkward though, to have that suddenly come up in conversation in the middle of the lake.
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Post by the bandit on Mar 29, 2010 21:44:41 GMT
I really, really like these recent pages where Jack seems like quite a sane, smart, and even likeable person. I wonder if it's one big setup, though ;-) I'm a Jack fan, and I'd think it a bit much to call him "quite sane." But I am pleased that these recent pages have apparently gotten some of the Jack haters to tone it down, for whatever reason.
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Post by lurker on Mar 29, 2010 21:59:56 GMT
Wild conjecture. Zimmingham == the power station. The power station was built to perform some kind of etheric experiment, that has unfortunate side-effects for the ether-sensitive such as Zimmy. Remember the scenes from "Dobranoc, Gamma" where Zimmy was shown stuck in Zimmingham? She was emitting static noise. Probably, her etheric powers were scrambled by whatever it is the power plant is doing, and now she is like a radio permanently out-of-tune. She was one of the luckier ones... as the other people who were around the power station at the time got more severely "scrambled", and perhaps died in the incident, leaving behind only their etheric shadows (the Zimmingham people with scrambled faces).
And after the last power station encounter, Jack got partially "scrambled" as well. Fortunately, he wasn't on the power station island when it happened; but he was close enough to be severely affected.
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Post by todd on Mar 29, 2010 22:13:15 GMT
Wild conjecture. Zimmingham == the power station. The power station was built to perform some kind of etheric experiment, that has unfortunate side-effects for the ether-sensitive such as Zimmy. Remember the scenes from "Dobranoc, Gamma" where Zimmy was shown stuck in Zimmingham? She was emitting static noise. Probably, her etheric powers were scrambled by whatever it is the power plant is doing, and now she is like a radio permanently out-of-tune. She was one of the luckier ones... as the other people who were around the power station at the time got more severely "scrambled", and perhaps died in the incident, leaving behind only their etheric shadows (the Zimmingham people with scrambled faces). The problem with that theory was that at the time of the flashbacks, Zimmy hadn't come to Gunnerkrigg yet. We don't know what caused her initial problems, but I don't think it had anything to do with the Court's experiments.
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Post by Casey on Mar 29, 2010 22:24:42 GMT
But I am pleased that these recent pages have apparently gotten some of the Jack haters to tone it down, for whatever reason. I don't know of anyone here who hates Jack. I do know of some people who find some other people's fanatical love of Jack to be weird and off-putting, though.
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 29, 2010 23:42:13 GMT
I really, really like these recent pages where Jack seems like quite a sane, smart, and even likeable person. I wonder if it's one big setup, though ;-) I think Jack probably was a sane, smart, likeable person before Zimmy sucked him into a lovecraftian hellworld, given what we saw of him in the power station chapter. That people don't seem to take that into account is due either to a lack of empathy, or simply a short memory imho.
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Post by evilanagram on Mar 29, 2010 23:54:48 GMT
Jack has already demonstrated himself to be extremely savvy with technology, so it makes sense that he'd be able to get Renard's name out of the Court records. He also probably has access to the internet and could guess how to spell Reynardine. Either way, he's a witch. Burn him!
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Post by warrl on Mar 29, 2010 23:57:34 GMT
Jack being a guy who just has to put his nose into everything and know all the juicy bits of information and just go and see for himself, rules be damned. Sounds like a great match for Antimony. (Once some other things are dealt with.) The kids are, after all, getting to an age where they could at any moment be smacked in the head with a two-by-hormone.
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Post by cazador on Mar 30, 2010 0:20:45 GMT
Jack being a guy who just has to put his nose into everything and know all the juicy bits of information and just go and see for himself, rules be damned. Sounds like a great match for Antimony. (Once some other things are dealt with.) The kids are, after all, getting to an age where they could at any moment be smacked in the head with a two-by-hormone. If Annie is anything like her father, I don't think it's going to happen.
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Post by Chrome on Mar 30, 2010 1:56:35 GMT
Hey we don't know what exactly got Surma and Annie's dad together. That might've been more Surma coming after him and getting rebuffed repeatedly until finally the two-by-hormone hit Mr. Carver upside the head.
I personally like the idea of Annie as an unplanned (but not unloved) pregnancy.
As for Zimmy - I think what's going on is that she was ether-sensitive enough that they could take what ability she had and use its information to test what the power station could do. Why else pick up loads of etherically-inclined kids like Anja, Surma, and so on? I think they're very interested in the etheric and the extra-normal. It's like the entire school has a Fox Muldur bent, and is using the training of these kids to harness their powers as their own massive experiment.
Why else stick the power station where exploration-minded kids could get to it....and rig the dorms with security systems a reasonably tech-savvy student could circumvent with little trouble, even at their shorter height?
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Post by coyotagoat on Mar 30, 2010 2:40:57 GMT
I really like how Jack's story is all starting to come together now, instead of him just being a 'creepy stalker to be dealt with later'. Some kinda hypothesis/speculation thing: Jack says he called out to Annie in Zimmingham, could maybe tie in to the 'Ice Queen' jab- i.e. he thinks they are ignoring him (quite reasonable to one who has had his very view of reality challenged). Also, looking back, Annie's actions in Zimmingham are not... exemplary, i.e. coercing Zimmy into looking for Kat, holding Zimmy face-down in the gutter (mebbe from Jack's p.o.v anyway), etc. or he could have just been being snarky. having used met my annoying abbreviations quota, I leave you to speculate! *poof*
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Post by Alex on Mar 30, 2010 3:08:00 GMT
Also, it looks like Jack's eyes are deteriorating further into Zimmy-ness - there are more streaks coming out now. I bet by the time they get across that lake, his eyes will be almost or completely black If Jack somehow gets infected with Zimmy's ability, maybe it will end up Annie:Jack::Gamma:Zimmy?
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Post by cazador on Mar 30, 2010 3:11:09 GMT
Also, it looks like Jack's eyes are deteriorating further into Zimmy-ness - there are more streaks coming out now. I bet by the time they get across that lake, his eyes will be almost or completely black If Jack somehow gets infected with Zimmy's ability, maybe it will end up Annie:Jack::Gamma:Zimmy? maybe he will find out how to control it?
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Post by evilanagram on Mar 30, 2010 3:16:10 GMT
Also, looking back, Annie's actions in Zimmingham are not... exemplary Pfft. That elbow-lock was nothing if not exemplary.
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Post by mariposa on Mar 30, 2010 4:07:19 GMT
Concerning the power station: given Coyote's "the Court is man's endevour to become god" comment, is it a possibility that the Court is actually trying to manufacture weather? They already have those decon habitats, and maybe they are working towards creating and controlling their own little world. Hmm. This is one of those ideas that made a lot more sense in my head. Now that I've typed it, it seems much more far fetched.
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 30, 2010 8:17:17 GMT
Concerning the power station: given Coyote's "the Court is man's endevour to become god" comment, is it a possibility that the Court is actually trying to manufacture weather? They already have those decon habitats, and maybe they are working towards creating and controlling their own little world. Hmm. This is one of those ideas that made a lot more sense in my head. Now that I've typed it, it seems much more far fetched. It's possible, but it seems like the rain and other side effects are a result of using that artificial lake as a massive heatsink. Coincidentally, that would imply that the 'power station' is pumping out enough thermal energy as waste heat to be on the same order of magnitude as a small nuclear weapon.
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Post by the bandit on Mar 30, 2010 14:43:27 GMT
If Jack somehow gets infected with Zimmy's ability, maybe it will end up Annie:Jack::Gamma:Zimmy? I sit around waiting for opportunities to use this, so even though it was a joke...
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Post by warrl on Mar 30, 2010 19:32:29 GMT
Also, looking back, Annie's actions in Zimmingham are not... exemplary, i.e. coercing Zimmy into looking for Kat It's not like Annie was going to bypass anyone else they happened across. In fact, since Zimmy didn't have to actually "look for" Gamma, looking for someone else was a good move. After Zimmy went berserk and attacked Annie. Seems reasonable. In that sort of situation Annie would have only limited control over just where Zimmy would end up. The gutter was more-or-less dictated by where Annie was when Zimmy attacked. Zimmy got scuffed up a bit but not injured. Or maybe we don't get to see Jack through any of those windows because he's across the street at the other end of the block, six stories up.
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Post by the bandit on Mar 30, 2010 20:40:31 GMT
Or maybe we don't get to see Jack through any of those windows because he's across the street at the other end of the block, six stories up. Don't forget to mention how he leaped up there, flat-footed. =D
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Post by todd on Mar 30, 2010 22:18:46 GMT
If Annie is anything like her father, I don't think it's going to happen. Count me as another person who can't imagine Annie in love. (If she and Jack *did* fall in love, I wonder who'd protest more loudly: the readers who - like myself - can't imagine Annie getting romantically involved with anyone, or the ones who want to see Annie and Kat as a couple.)
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Post by evilanagram on Mar 30, 2010 23:26:24 GMT
I don't know about love, but it would be pretty odd if Annie didn't start getting interested in boys (or girls) at some point.
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Post by hal9000 on Mar 31, 2010 0:21:17 GMT
Also, looking back, Annie's actions in Zimmingham are not... exemplary, i.e. coercing Zimmy into looking for Kat It's not like Annie was going to bypass anyone else they happened across. In fact, since Zimmy didn't have to actually "look for" Gamma, looking for someone else was a good move. After Zimmy went berserk and attacked Annie. Seems reasonable. In that sort of situation Annie would have only limited control over just where Zimmy would end up. The gutter was more-or-less dictated by where Annie was when Zimmy attacked. Zimmy got scuffed up a bit but not injured. Or maybe we don't get to see Jack through any of those windows because he's across the street at the other end of the block, six stories up. I think the point was that to an outside observer, Annie's behavior in zimmyland was more harsh and violent than is typically acceptable. Considering Jack only met her a few minutes before, it could be argued that what he saw of her in zimmyland left him with a bad first impression.
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Post by Casey on Mar 31, 2010 6:04:42 GMT
I think the point was that to an outside observer, Annie's behavior in zimmyland was more harsh and violent than is typically acceptable. Count me among those who do not agree with this statement.
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Post by thelizard on Mar 31, 2010 7:37:29 GMT
Jack knows that Zimmy was responsible for whatever happened to him in Zimmingham. If anything, he probably thinks Annie is pretty much a heroine for attacking her. Remember that to everyone other than Annie and Gamma, Zimmy is mean, pushy, and seriously creepy. To Jack, she's that plus downright dangerous.
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Post by Max on Apr 1, 2010 3:32:33 GMT
I noticed something odd. Renard referred to Zimmy as "demon girl" in panel six. But earlier that evening, Annie explicitly said, " Don't call Zimmy a demon girl!" Wouldn't that prevent him from doing so here?
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Post by legion on Apr 1, 2010 10:20:34 GMT
I noticed something odd. Renard referred to Zimmy as "demon girl" in panel six. But earlier that evening, Annie explicitly said, " Don't call Zimmy a demon girl!" Wouldn't that prevent him from doing so here? THE BOUND IS WEAKENING DDDD:
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Post by philistine21 on Apr 1, 2010 11:19:37 GMT
I think the point was that to an outside observer, Annie's behavior in zimmyland was more harsh and violent than is typically acceptable. Count me among those who do not agree with this statement. I agree with Casey. Annie handled herself very well. I am a bit puzzled what you think she should have done differently. All that she did was insist that they try to find Kat first and then defend herself against a raging Zimmy neither of which event we are sure Jack saw. Furthermore if Jack had a bad impression of her he wouldn't have come to her for help.
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Post by foresterr on Apr 1, 2010 11:20:22 GMT
I noticed something odd. Renard referred to Zimmy as "demon girl" in panel six. But earlier that evening, Annie explicitly said, " Don't call Zimmy a demon girl!" Wouldn't that prevent him from doing so here? I'm not sure it would. If she told him in a conversation "oh, shut up!" (were Annie someone likely to use such words; however, bear with me for a while ;-) ), Rey would probably be able to shrug it off as just a piece of conversation, not a direct command, and not shut up. And he is smart enough not to ask "is that an order?" ;-) Same here.
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Post by Per on Apr 1, 2010 12:22:50 GMT
Rey would probably be able to shrug it off as just a piece of conversation THE BOND IS NOT THAT WATERTIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE DDDD:
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