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Post by todd on Mar 15, 2010 22:31:53 GMT
EDIT: Also, is Kat's huffiness an excuse for her not to be in a storyline, or a setup for her to be in a storyline where she has to accept that Jack's actually an okay guy? Good question. I've noticed that Kat tends to be left behind during most of Annie's excursions closely connected to the main plot ("The Shadow and the Robot" - she hadn't even been introduced into the comic then, "Reynardine", "Broken Glass and Other Things" - except near the end, "Mainly Involves Robots", "The Fangs of Summertime", etc. - particularly including Annie's two meetings with Coyote in Gillitie Wood). The stories when Kat takes part in Annie's adventures usually focus more on the side issues (Red's broken "friendship" with Blue, for example). Indeed, this makes sense, because of the different focuses that the two girls have. Annie is more closely linked to the major story threads (Gunnerkrigg Court's nature and purpose, Coyote and the other inhabitants of Gillitie Wood, Jeanne, Reynardine, etc.); Kat, on the other hand, is more closely linked to the jokes and pop culture references, the daily life at the Court (such as student romances), and so on. So if this chapter will be more about the former (and what we've seen of Jack's arc so far suggests that), I think that Kat will have to stay behind. On the "obvious trap" tone: we probably don't need to be that worried about it. Coyote's invitation to Annie at the end of Chapter Fourteen had all the signs of "obvious trap" to me, so that I was mentally shouting at her not to accept it, and approved of her initial refusal. But when Annie ventured into the forest, no harm came to her (beyond the close call with Ysengrin in the most recent chapter - and even then, the situation was defused before any bloodshed could ensue). So it might well be the same here.
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Post by digikitty on Mar 15, 2010 23:01:27 GMT
Another thought on Kat's huffiness may stem from the differences in the girls' personalities.
Kat is a pretty normal teenager, as far as things go, and Jack was being a jerk to her best friend, so she's not the least bit inclined to help him. I recall this being a typical reaction when I was that age.
Annie on the other hand has always been more mature in her thinking, most of the times. And from a young age she's been in situations where she's had to help people with problems that she hasn't always understood, and has been afraid of (the incident with martin). So her attitude with wanting to help Jack, despite everything he's said/done, also makes sense in that perspective.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Mar 15, 2010 23:29:55 GMT
Speaking of clothes, in the third panel it would seem as if Annie should be wearing a current expression T-Shirt.
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Post by popo on Mar 15, 2010 23:43:18 GMT
I really like Annie's top. I keep trying to come up with possible motives for Jack, and my thoughts keep wandering to "That is a cute top." Ususally clothes don't particuarly consern me, but... yeah. maybe jack wants to know where she got that top. or borrow it.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Mar 16, 2010 0:28:18 GMT
Next chapter she's going to set on a quest to find the edge of the court. Shouldn't bring size up again. (If all those links worked I will be amazed) Man, I understand the apprehensiveness because "oh noes this is the most obvious trap of some kind ever" But..... Annie has the friggin COYOTE TOOTH SWORD. I mean, come on. Anybody, etheric monster or not, tries to mess with her, she can rend them in half with one slice. Easy. Done. Let's go out for burgers. Because, as experience from Microsoft Paint Adventures tells us, your weapon/innocuous item mix will always take the desired form when the need calls for it. ALWAYS.The expressions on both the girls in panel 5 are brilliant, I spent ages just looking at them and admiring Tom's work! Also I like the fashionable way Kat is dressing, with that nice blue coat and the long fringe. It really shows how much more grown up she is than the lonely 12 year old we met at the start of the comic. I don't feel as if Annie has changed that much, as she tends to have kept her appearance more or less similar throughout, but Kat is rather different than, say, in the beginning of the year, and even the middle or so. Then again, people may interpret it differently. I'm surprised everyone is debating whether Jack really wants to see Annie or Reynardine, but no one seems to be interested in the location. The fact we are going to see the mysterious lake again is what has me excited to see the next few pages! Not so much the lake that was mysterious, moreso the island (although maybe it's a peninsula, never did see it all 'round) that inhabits it, and the building complex thing on said land. The lake was rather ordinary, aside from the fact that there weren't even any fish that got caught in the water dropping ordeal. Were fish abolished from the court too? Were they secretly spies for Ysengrin when he wasn't eating them? Did they create the Tic-Tocs?? Are they the ones keeping people from crossing Annan Waters?!? Was the man Rey killed actually a fish man, and that's why they were all abolished?!?!? The answer to all these is of course yes. Since Kat's being all protective the the note never asks Annie and Reynardine to come alone, I bet Kat will end up coming. And it's probably not a big scary trap... that's not really Tom's style. I don't think anything terrible will actually happen to Antimony but she gets into dangerous spots regularly. She sometimes gets threatented. Once she even got hurt. she has the cut on her face (she has the cut on her face) Really though, she can probably take care of herself. I was really just thinking that because it's a way away from the dormitories and nobody else is going to be hanging out there in the middle of the night. (Plus, you know, it's high up and maybe this is all a ridiculously circuitous plan to push her out of a window.) Ah, when you wrote that bit about how "'bring all your mojo' sounds about right, though, since he's probably bringing a knife" I thought you were thinking the "bring the Wolf" note might be an invitation to settle their differences old-school. Bring the knife, bring the wolf, bring your mojo, Bring the Ruckus.
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Post by King Mir on Mar 16, 2010 1:09:57 GMT
Another thought on Kat's huffiness may stem from the differences in the girls' personalities. Kat is a pretty normal teenager, as far as things go, and Jack was being a jerk to her best friend, so she's not the least bit inclined to help him. I recall this being a typical reaction when I was that age. Annie on the other hand has always been more mature in her thinking, most of the times. And from a young age she's been in situations where she's had to help people with problems that she hasn't always understood, and has been afraid of (the incident with martin). So her attitude with wanting to help Jack, despite everything he's said/done, also makes sense in that perspective. I totally agree. Kat's reaction is completely in character. I'd be surprised if she reacted any other way.
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Post by King Mir on Mar 16, 2010 1:38:35 GMT
Next chapter she's going to set on a quest to find the edge of the court. Shouldn't bring size up again. (If all those links worked I will be amazed) It's gotta end somewhere. Perhaps the edge looks like this: It is after all, the only thing that can come of visiting the thirteenth floor.
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Post by murgatroyd on Mar 16, 2010 2:14:21 GMT
I'm going to speculate in a slightly different direction, and say that Jack knows he needs help, and wants Annie to 'bring the wolf' because Reynardine scares the spider.
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Post by swordfish on Mar 16, 2010 2:22:20 GMT
I'm glad to see that Annia is sticking up for Zimmy, even though Jack's misfortune is more or less her fault.
Also, the expressions in panel 5 are really good.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 16, 2010 4:54:45 GMT
Ask and ye shall receive.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 16, 2010 5:35:42 GMT
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Post by Goatmon on Mar 16, 2010 6:38:13 GMT
Huh.
The girls are getting noticably less puny!
Kat especially is looking more womanly. I like the hair. =D
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 16, 2010 8:23:32 GMT
I counted 20 floors so there's a 13th floor, whatever they call it. Even if they meet in the service level the roof is the obvious place they'd go to "take it outside." But yeah, we're not being serious about the Spring Heel Jack calling Antimony out stuff. It's just nearly possible enough to make it amusing to imagine. Although... that does make me wonder. If this is a wild goose chase it might get Antimony out of the way for a good while so Jack can search her room for clues, blinker stones, or what-have-you. If so he'd want to make sure the wolf was not there.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 16, 2010 10:46:53 GMT
"That is a cute top." Ususally clothes don't particularly concern me, but... yeah. It's what Yin wears. Top half, anyway. You like "Darker than Black" too, Tom? I'm going to speculate in a slightly different direction, and say that Jack knows he needs help, and wants Annie to 'bring the wolf' because Reynardine scares the spider. Cover't thread ninja attack!
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Post by nar on Mar 16, 2010 11:04:59 GMT
Indeed, this makes sense, because of the different focuses that the two girls have. Annie is more closely linked to the major story threads (Gunnerkrigg Court's nature and purpose, Coyote and the other inhabitants of Gillitie Wood, Jeanne, Reynardine, etc.); Kat, on the other hand, is more closely linked to the jokes and pop culture references, the daily life at the Court (such as student romances), and so on. So if this chapter will be more about the former (and what we've seen of Jack's arc so far suggests that), I think that Kat will have to stay behind. With regards to Jeanne, Annie was just a tagalong to Kat for the most significant chapter featuring her so far. I'd like to see Kat come along, personally: if Kat lets Annie meet up with a crazy person alone because she's in a huff, or if Annie lies and sneaks out with some sort of etheric trick, that would devalue one of their characters and their friendship (and be out of character into the bargain). That's an excellent point. So, list of Jack's possible motivations: 1) He wants to ask Annie for help getting rid of the spider. 2) He wants to ask Rey for help getting rid of the spider. 3) He wants a romantic assignation with Annie. 4) He wants a romantic assignation with Rey. 5) He's going to stab Annie and throw her out of a window. 6) He wants Annie to investigate the power station with him. 7) He's getting Annie and Rey out of the way so he can search her room. 8) He's getting Annie and Rey out of the way so he can talk to/have a romantic assignation with Kat. 9) He's trading Annie to his face spider so it'll leave him alone. 10) He's trading Rey to his face spider so it'll leave him alone. 11) He's throwing Annie a surprise birthday party and everyone else is in on it. (Jones is frosting the arrow-cake.) 12) He wants to settle his differences with Annie old-school, his itty bitty knife against her giant ferocious magical demon wolf. ...Dammit, Wednesday, hurry up.
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Post by Yin on Mar 16, 2010 11:15:55 GMT
"That is a cute top." Ususally clothes don't particularly concern me, but... yeah. It's what Yin wears. Top half, anyway. You like "Darker than Black" too, Tom? /nearly choked and spat on screen The way everyone goes on about DtB, I'm gonna have to take my friend's advice sometime and check it out.
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Post by the bandit on Mar 16, 2010 16:51:52 GMT
I really don't think Kat's worried about romance so much as she is worried about Jack being a creep who insulted her friend. Thank you. Hmm, you guys are right. With a message like that, he certainly would have written the post script as "Also, if you are concerned regarding your safety, feel free to bring that protective wolf of yours," so there's no way to interpret "bring the wolf" but as some sort of demand.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 16, 2010 17:26:36 GMT
I'd like to see Kat come along [...] So, list of Jack's possible motivations: And there are only three variants on the other issue: 1) Annie still needs some help from Kat just to get there; 2) Annie learned to bypass security on her own; 2) Annie can get there legitimately. /nearly choked and spat on screen But... You like this style too, right? The way everyone goes on about DtB, I'm gonna have to take my friend's advice sometime and check it out. It got mostly the same appealing sides as Gunnerkrigg, but is GrimDark'er (well, it's right in the name) a lot... I'd say "a lot" before Chapter 25, that is.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Mar 16, 2010 18:08:29 GMT
I'd like to see Kat come along [...] So, list of Jack's possible motivations: And there are only three variants on the other issue: 1) Annie still needs some help from Kat just to get there; 2) Annie learned to bypass security on her own; 2) Annie can get there legitimately. There is also the possibility that Rey has the ability to bypass security through whatever means.
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Post by the bandit on Mar 16, 2010 18:44:22 GMT
There is also the possibility that Rey has the ability to bypass security through whatever means. Through whatever means?! Human technology crumbles before the mighty Reynardine!
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Post by todd on Mar 16, 2010 22:34:43 GMT
With regards to Jeanne, Annie was just a tagalong to Kat for the most significant chapter featuring her so far. That's true; I've sometimes wondered about that. It seems that Annie doesn't earn the information about Jeanne's death - it just lands in her lap as a result of her tagging along with Kat. Unless maybe Tom's planning a twist in which Kat, rather than Annie, solves Jeanne's problem.
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Post by warrl on Mar 16, 2010 23:33:08 GMT
In that case, Annie got information because Kat (the technonerd) happened across a link to Diego (the technonerd).
But if Annie had not been there, Kat would not have gotten information. Just raw data. A bunch of robot-dolls (not actual robots - no actuators) that look like body prototypes for the court robots.
Kat knew that with no actuators or power, there was no point in putting the S13's processor in the S1 body. She did it to humor Annie. As a result they learned about Diego and his shrine to Jeanne.
So no, Annie wasn't the central character - but the plot would not have advanced without her.
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Post by 5lizak on Mar 17, 2010 4:37:55 GMT
If Jack wants help, Annie might refuse if using the blinker stone means she becomes defenseless. Annie can banish Zimmy's dark reflections (Jack may suspect this?), and is able to see the spiders with etheric means via her blinker stone (Jack may suspect this also, given the displayed paranoia after he was spotted by Annie while handling the blinker stone). Depending on how much time has passed since the last chapter (and specifically how she's doing on sword-training), Annie is quite possibly the one person in the Court who is the furthest from defenseless in the etherium. Of course, probably not many people know about Coyote's Tooth. Perhaps even Eglamore doesn't know what it is. When Annie switched to the ethereal realm, her body was left behind. Without her looking at it, it'd be relatively easy for Jack to do something awful unless Rey was there to stop him.
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Mar 17, 2010 5:35:28 GMT
Everyone here is terrible and awful and unreliable.
There is nothing wrong with Jack. Visual difference pre-Zimmytown? Doesn't mean anything. Kat has long hair here, while she didn't pre-Zimmytown. Is something wrong with her? Is there an ETHERIC MONKEY in her??
Spiders? Why do people keep on talking about spiders and Jack? Jack has never been seen with, has never owned and will never be associated with a spider. This entire notion of ETHERIC SPIDERS in Jack is ridiculous and foolhardy. I even hate myself a little for trying to figure it out before I realized that there is nothing to figure out and everyone here is just being silly and terrible and awful and unreliable.
And then everyone says "OH look at that title. It says "Spring Heeled Jack"!" This must mean something. After all, titles are basically the plot in a nutshell. So we can speculate that Jack is now a ENGLISH MYTH FIGURE and he will have/has awesome parkour skills, and he will harass teenagers, then cause injury and mischief!
It's just a name. It's just a title. There are no spiders. Nothing is wrong with Jack. There is nothing to worry about.
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Post by King Mir on Mar 17, 2010 5:47:46 GMT
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Post by judgedeadd on Mar 17, 2010 5:48:51 GMT
Calm down, calm down.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 17, 2010 5:49:29 GMT
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Post by nar on Mar 17, 2010 7:19:38 GMT
Everyone here is terrible and awful and unreliable. There is nothing wrong with Jack. Visual difference pre-Zimmytown? Doesn't mean anything. Kat has long hair here, while she didn't pre-Zimmytown. Is something wrong with her? Is there an ETHERIC MONKEY in her?? Spiders? Why do people keep on talking about spiders and Jack? Jack has never been seen with, has never owned and will never be associated with a spider. This entire notion of ETHERIC SPIDERS in Jack is ridiculous and foolhardy. I even hate myself a little for trying to figure it out before I realized that there is nothing to figure out and everyone here is just being silly and terrible and awful and unreliable. And then everyone says "OH look at that title. It says "Spring Heeled Jack"!" This must mean something. After all, titles are basically the plot in a nutshell. So we can speculate that Jack is now a ENGLISH MYTH FIGURE and he will have/has awesome parkour skills, and he will harass teenagers, then cause injury and mischief! It's just a name. It's just a title. There are no spiders. Nothing is wrong with Jack. There is nothing to worry about. This is the weirdest joke ever, but still hilarious.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Mar 18, 2010 6:01:52 GMT
Everyone here is terrible and awful and unreliable. There is nothing wrong with Jack. Visual difference pre-Zimmytown? Doesn't mean anything. Kat has long hair here, while she didn't pre-Zimmytown. Is something wrong with her? Is there an ETHERIC MONKEY in her?? Spiders? Why do people keep on talking about spiders and Jack? Jack has never been seen with, has never owned and will never be associated with a spider. This entire notion of ETHERIC SPIDERS in Jack is ridiculous and foolhardy. I even hate myself a little for trying to figure it out before I realized that there is nothing to figure out and everyone here is just being silly and terrible and awful and unreliable. And then everyone says "OH look at that title. It says "Spring Heeled Jack"!" This must mean something. After all, titles are basically the plot in a nutshell. So we can speculate that Jack is now a ENGLISH MYTH FIGURE and he will have/has awesome parkour skills, and he will harass teenagers, then cause injury and mischief! It's just a name. It's just a title. There are no spiders. Nothing is wrong with Jack. There is nothing to worry about. Nice joke? I got another one: Knock knock Who's there? CLOUDDEAD Anybody else have other jokes?
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Post by Casey on Mar 18, 2010 15:34:38 GMT
How about we don't feed the trolls...
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