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Post by judgedeadd on Feb 8, 2010 8:55:24 GMT
Lifeless!The Court doesn't feel like such a pleasant place for you anymore, Carver? Nice how you can make out the shape of Coyote's head.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 8, 2010 8:58:55 GMT
Coyote's got just enough form here that he strikes me as rather scarier than the abstraction on the previous page.
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Post by chiparoo on Feb 8, 2010 9:00:45 GMT
Have I mentioned I love it when Tom does panel-less comics? He does them so well.
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Post by highlord on Feb 8, 2010 9:02:17 GMT
It seems like Annie's being a little more open than usual in the last couple comics. I wonder whether that's due to the company (she's usually pretty straightforward with Coyote) or if it has more to do with the situation. It could just be that she's overwhelmed by what's going on and hasn't focused as much on keeping her guard up or it might be a side-effect of peering into the ether... I'm definitely looking forward to whatever lesson Coyote has planned this time.
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Feb 8, 2010 9:06:07 GMT
Bottom right corner. Antimony's expression speaks for itself. Is it things like Diego and George and Andrew?
In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if Antimony told Reynardine about his preserved body that is waiting for him in the Forest. This would no doubt make Reynardine feel quite conflicted, especially if the Court feels dead and dull to him.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 8, 2010 9:07:54 GMT
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Post by cannedbreadmaker on Feb 8, 2010 9:10:03 GMT
Sounds like this "Coyote" character has his facts straight after all.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 8, 2010 9:18:16 GMT
I guess it's a matter of perspective. Does it matter to Rey that he can't leave the Court since he apparently doesn't want to leave?
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Post by Rasselas on Feb 8, 2010 9:24:39 GMT
Would there be an offer to Annie to pass to the Forest side? Would she have to take the test, and what kind of body would she get?
I don't think it would happen, it doesn't seem the direction this story is going in. But it's an interesting thing to think about.
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Post by Flux on Feb 8, 2010 9:31:14 GMT
It seems like Annie's being a little more open than usual in the last couple comics. I wonder whether that's due to the company (she's usually pretty straightforward with Coyote) or if it has more to do with the situation. It could just be that she's overwhelmed by what's going on and hasn't focused as much on keeping her guard up or it might be a side-effect of peering into the ether... Look at Tom's comment: Reminder: The events of last chapter. I think Annie's thoughts go out to Jeanne and what happened at the court. And its like what Jones said: Coyote is no liar. Therein lies the danger. I hope Annie can handle Coyoty's manipulation.
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Post by rosewind26 on Feb 8, 2010 9:43:15 GMT
Interesting. I always forget to look at what Coyote says as opposed to what he implies. "How cold and lifeless it must seem there for someone like him. Specifically does not mean it in fact would seem lifeless at all, especially considering how much time some of the beings most connected to the etherium spend with eachother. I imagine they add color to eachothers worlds.
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Post by johnwwells on Feb 8, 2010 10:51:40 GMT
No, Annie, don't give in! Don't side with Coyote the Court! They are nice people, and if you turn against them, they'll be so hurt that they'll imprison you forever at the bottom of a gorge!
In fairness to the Court, if Coyote's really trying to win her over, I don't see how humiliating his most loyal lieutenant in front of her is going to make her think well of him. Maybe he just wants her to adopt a "plague on both your houses" sentiment so that she'll be unwilling to trust anyone but other perceived "neutrals", like, say, Reynardine.
At this point, it's reasonable to guess that Coyote's been hoping to use Reynard and Antimony's connection as a political tool since they first met. If so, did this plan go back to Surma's time? Was Reynard's initial body gift a sneak tactic by Coyote to infiltrate the Court - maybe without even Reynard's conscious knowledge?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2010 11:46:22 GMT
Nice how you can make out the shape of Coyote's head. You can see the shape of Coyote's head in the previous comic too. The eye and teeth tentacle things form into a sort of face with his nose being defined by the star-field. What makes it confusing is that Coyote's left eye-tentacle stretches out in front of him, goes down behind Ysengrin, and then comes up again behind Antimony and off the page. It may be my monitor settings but it looks like there's also a darkening of the star field more or less where Coyote's body would be if it were visible. It could just be that she's overwhelmed by what's going on and hasn't focused as much on keeping her guard up or it might be a side-effect of peering into the ether... I'm definitely looking forward to whatever lesson Coyote has planned this time. What Coyote's doing makes sense on several levels. I've wildly speculated in the past that Coyote's overall role in things and the reason he has his vast powers is to make sure humans have the proper attitude of awe and respect to the old people (the etheric creatures). I figure that's why he divided the Court and the Forest. Instilling the proper attitude in the Court's next medium would be an end in itself. Making Reynardine's "owner" less likely to tame him would be a great thing as well.** Beyond that, I agree that an Antimony who's shaken up is more likely to be trusting than one who's got her feet firmly planted on the ground. Coyote's both shown Antimony Ysengrin's weakness and protected her from his wrath; without that protection Ysengrin would probably have killed her and no doubt he will remember this incident in the future. So, Coyote is positioning himself as the one who reveals secrets and protects Antimony, therefore in the future she may be more likely to respect Coyote's wishes in regard to Reynard through both gratitude and fear. Beyond THAT, Coyote may be helping Antimony grow/toughen up a bit. For canines, play is rough and it prepares pups to face danger when they're older. Beyond even that, Coyote's actions may be an extension of his friendship with Surma. From the way he tells it it looks like he genuinely enjoyed her visits. Maybe he is testing to see if the fun times will now continue with Antimony. **I wonder what would happen if Coyote knew that Antimony was teaching Reynard to pick locks? I doubt he'd be pleased.
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Post by todd on Feb 8, 2010 11:48:03 GMT
I can't say that I blame Annie for feeling all the less enchanted with the Court after learning that its founders committed an act of murder, and followed it up by erasing all mention of the victim from their chronicles in the best tradition of totalitarian dictatorships. Though this page strengthens my suspicion even more that Coyote's been inviting Annie into the Woods because he sees her as the reason why Reynardine refused to return to Gillitie. The solution: make Gillitie seem far more appealing to Annie than Gunnerkrigg - if she goes there and stays, Reynardine will have far less of a motive to remain in the Court.
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Post by La Goon on Feb 8, 2010 11:50:55 GMT
I wonder how much time has passed since the last chapter. In "Sky Watcher and the Angel" it seams to be colder during daytime than it is in this chapter at night, so I guess at least a couple of months has passed. Those must have been some very uncomfortable months for Annie, if this is her first chance to get away from the Court :/ ...maybe even to a degree where it has affected her training with her blinker stone (or ability to concentrate in general)?
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Post by edzepp on Feb 8, 2010 14:56:14 GMT
This has nothing to do with anything, but Annie's penultimate facial expression just reminds me of Jones for some odd reason. Just how it looks.
Yeah, I've got nothing else. Carry on.
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Post by violet on Feb 8, 2010 15:00:51 GMT
Holy gods Coyote is… wow. I think I've had a trip like this.
(Aside: part of what Coyote might be up to with Ysengrin is demonstrating the limited view afforded by looking at material plane alone. Sure, Ysengrin shakes like an old man, but he's also a god, and so perhaps Coyote's gift really is perfect, and immeasurable in its wonder. Or, at least, it's quite a bit nicer than it first seems.)
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Post by the bandit on Feb 8, 2010 15:18:27 GMT
The panel-less comics get better and better.
BTW, this page makes it clear for those unsure that Annie was the speaker on the previous page.
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Post by Reynaerde on Feb 8, 2010 16:18:07 GMT
I like how the trees look in the ether.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 8, 2010 17:23:28 GMT
It just struck me that these panel-less pages must take quite a bit of planning.
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Post by canus on Feb 8, 2010 18:13:32 GMT
I love how Rey's body and Annie's outfit are drawn in the same style, and how Coyote's teeth curl in with the roots of the tree, and Annie's hair is all connected... Too much praise to enumerate. And I'd like to note that that tree is hella-magic'd up.
Surma may have been good friends with Coyote, but she stayed on the court side, I believe. If Annie would be persuaded to cross over, would Coyote still love her so? Or would she become just another played-out game, like Ys?
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Post by nikita on Feb 8, 2010 18:34:29 GMT
Some thoughts: So, in the forest, the ether is colorful and grey is a sad exception. In the court, it's the other way round. Didn't think forest and court were so fundamentally different. In particular since very few people in the court seem to have the ability to influence this. And those who can don't seem to want to. Except for Diego, I guess.
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Post by nikita on Feb 8, 2010 18:35:15 GMT
It just struck me that these panel-less pages must take quite a bit of planning. But it's totally worth it!
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Post by linnabean on Feb 8, 2010 18:39:27 GMT
love this page, and, as always, the way Annie's hair flows in the ether.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Feb 8, 2010 19:19:58 GMT
His godlike grin descends into eternity.
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Post by La Goon on Feb 8, 2010 19:31:14 GMT
It just struck me that these panel-less pages must take quite a bit of planning. I don't think it requires more planning than the regular pages. In either case there needs to be proper room for all essential elements in the page. The regular pages could end up rather messy, if Tom just started drawing them without a plan and suddenly needed an extra panel or a larger panel or some extra stuff to fill out the last third of the page or what not The panel-less pages on the other hand tend have less elements in them, which makes room for that artistic interweaving of stuff. Not that I'm not impressed - I am, very much
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Post by fjodor on Feb 8, 2010 19:32:00 GMT
Awesome page - again. Feels like Coyote is persuading Annie to bring Rey next time she pays a visit - even if it's against his own will.
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Post by warrl on Feb 8, 2010 19:36:20 GMT
On second thought, maybe Annie should be asking that tree (rather than Ysengrim) about Jeanne.
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Post by rosewind26 on Feb 8, 2010 19:57:58 GMT
love this page, and, as always, the way Annie's hair flows in the ether. Interesting, her hair flows like coyote... I have no idea what this would mean but Looking back it has always had a similar element of infinity in the past when looking through the stone
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Post by the bandit on Feb 8, 2010 20:12:58 GMT
You can see why Coyote calls her Firehead Girl.
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