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Post by Amethyst on Jan 20, 2010 8:01:43 GMT
PushLooks like something Annie would do.
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Post by almoray on Jan 20, 2010 8:04:17 GMT
Is Coyote doing this because she said he was being "not nice?" or is he trying to test her skills? I'm pretty sure he won't let any harm come to her and it doesn't look like Yssy's going to be doing much too fast.
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Post by almoray on Jan 20, 2010 8:05:04 GMT
why would Coyote give him that body and then call it pathetic?
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Post by Yin on Jan 20, 2010 8:06:39 GMT
Making Annie appear a peeping tom? Really, Coyote.
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Post by fjodor on Jan 20, 2010 8:07:25 GMT
Oh! So that was the trick eh? I hope Annie has that beacon thingy she got from Eglamore with her.
So now I am off to build a time warp capsule so that I don't have to wait for Friday's update.
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Post by Amethyst on Jan 20, 2010 8:07:34 GMT
I'm pretty sure Coyote is helping Annie improve her mediating skills. Also a large amount for his own enjoyment. And Coyote gave him his tree body. His original wolf body underneath is what he is referring to when he says "pathetic."
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Post by sostorm on Jan 20, 2010 8:09:42 GMT
And there's the trickster...
Well if she manages this situation, and I'm sure she does, she will probably get a better relationship to Ysengrin. It might actually be the only way that is possible, he's not very warm and cuddly otherwise. I bet he'll get angry and defensive in the beginning but if she get's his confidence a lot of good might come of this.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jan 20, 2010 8:10:22 GMT
I hear the MGS soldier "ALERT!" sound. along with the fast beat soundtrack.
"Carver! Please respond. Do you hear me!? Carver!! CARVEEEEERR!!"
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 20, 2010 8:21:30 GMT
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Post by Nicer Atom on Jan 20, 2010 8:22:35 GMT
Oh! So that was the trick eh? I hope Annie has that beacon thingy she got from Eglamore with her. So now I am off to build a time warp capsule so that I don't have to wait for Friday's update. She does. Well, she did at the time of this post by Tom.
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Post by Flux on Jan 20, 2010 8:23:09 GMT
First real test as a medium for Annie. I hope she does well.
I am not convinced Coyote wants to test Annie, he's just being the Trickster.
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Post by Deca on Jan 20, 2010 8:24:40 GMT
"I don't think I should be seeing this."
Annie takes the words right out of my mouth.
She'll be fine by the way. What's Ysengrin going to do to her? Wobble slightly before falling over?
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Post by ecomono on Jan 20, 2010 8:43:36 GMT
This is, of course, complicated by the fact that Ysengrin is not likely to accept any ill-speaking of Coyote, meaning that just telling the truth is right out. :\
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Post by gaia on Jan 20, 2010 8:46:17 GMT
"I don't think I should be seeing this." Annie takes the words right out of my mouth. She'll be fine by the way. What's Ysengrin going to do to her? Wobble slightly before falling over? Well, he could yell and hurt her feelings. Or get back in the tree. How long would it take him to do that and how far can Annie run in that time? No, wait, Annie's not the sort to run away. She's dead. End of the comic.
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Post by nikita on Jan 20, 2010 8:49:27 GMT
I hear the MGS soldier "ALERT!" sound. along with the fast beat soundtrack. "Carver! Please respond. Do you hear me!? Carver!! CARVEEEEERR!!" haha!
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Post by warrl on Jan 20, 2010 9:05:50 GMT
This is, of course, complicated by the fact that Ysengrin is not likely to accept any ill-speaking of Coyote, meaning that just telling the truth is right out. :\ "Coyote brought me here and shoved me out of the bushes as some sort of test or lesson. So far I haven't figured out if it's for you, me, or both of us. But hey, you r fur's all matted. Is there something around here I could use as a brush?"
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Post by Yin on Jan 20, 2010 9:10:56 GMT
Hm. If he can come out whenever he wants, he could come out regularly and exercise his limbs. But he doesn't, resulting in the withered body we've seen. Perhaps that's what Coyote means by pathetic; he prefers his beloved Coyote's gift to his own body and neglects it.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jan 20, 2010 9:31:50 GMT
Hm. If he can come out whenever he wants, he could come out regularly and exercise his limbs. But he doesn't, resulting in the withered body we've seen. Perhaps that's what Coyote means by pathetic; he prefers his beloved Coyote's gift to his own body and neglects it. It seems to draw many similar analogies to video game addiction. It gets me wondering tho, why does he choose such a humanoid figure for his tree body? would he not as easily take the form of an 8 foot tall wooden spider?
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Post by Chrome on Jan 20, 2010 9:38:38 GMT
That's a really good question - for all his dislike of humans, he seems to find their form likeable enough to imitate. And then likeable enough to even clothe it in a somewhat human fashion with a hood and suchlike.
Makes me wonder if really he dislikes most humans, but somehow respects certain very special individuals sufficiently to say "Humans are not all bad, but the majority of them majorly suck." Maybe he even loved one, but she was killed by Humans being their classically paranoid selves. (Yes I'm working up to a notion, but I won't spill it outright...it's honestly too damn crazy.)
Anyways, I noticed a few things now:
One - He generally doesn't seem to act out against Humans unless extremely provoked. Where does that restraint come from if he hates that species so much? For the most part, he's still able to fulfill his duties to Coyote by escorting Annie to him the first time she visited the Forest.
Two - He doesn't seem entirely against humans joining the Wood, just sticks to his condition that they give up their human bodies. It's almost like he knows the human condition is part of why he hates them. Once they're out of those bodies, he could care less, perhaps?
Three - That title of General. That's a human title, not an animalistic "alpha male" one. How'd he get that? It's almost as if he'd had a human form once, and then changed back to wolf-form later.
As for that push - good grief, Coyote! I'm going to be curious to see how Annie handles it. That looks on its surface as if done for kicks, but I suspect he timed this pretty perfectly. He knows Ys can't put up too much of a fight at the get-go, and he knows Annie could afford to gain Ysengrin's trust. He picked the perfect moment of vulnerability for both of them, just as Jones did with the flowers and ParleyXSmitty. His delivery is just a good deal less tactful than Jones'.
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Post by pennyanna on Jan 20, 2010 13:00:18 GMT
Hm. If he can come out whenever he wants, he could come out regularly and exercise his limbs. But he doesn't, resulting in the withered body we've seen. Perhaps that's what Coyote means by pathetic; he prefers his beloved Coyote's gift to his own body and neglects it. It seems to draw many similar analogies to video game addiction. It gets me wondering tho, why does he choose such a humanoid figure for his tree body? would he not as easily take the form of an 8 foot tall wooden spider? Maybe he didn't choose it? I wouldn't put it past Coyote to deliberately make him more humanoid just to annoy him.
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Post by fjodor on Jan 20, 2010 13:10:06 GMT
I am not convinced that Ysengrin is so weak that he does not pose a threat to Annie. I am curious what Coyote means with 'stand thine ground'.
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Post by mudmaniac on Jan 20, 2010 13:40:19 GMT
It seems to draw many similar analogies to video game addiction. It gets me wondering tho, why does he choose such a humanoid figure for his tree body? would he not as easily take the form of an 8 foot tall wooden spider? Maybe he didn't choose it? I wouldn't put it past Coyote to deliberately make him more humanoid just to annoy him. Yeah. that is plausible.
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Post by Seth Thresher on Jan 20, 2010 14:16:32 GMT
In Chuckle's defense, the human forms is remarkably effective at general motion. Being upright allows the usage of the forelimbs for tools and hands and junk. Also, if we're being technical, we've never seen his legs under that cloak save now, so far as we know he could be doing like that snowman narator in the old Rudolph claymation.
If anything, he is probably aware of some level of irony in the matter, or else thinks of himself as like, a monkey.
In any case, he's about to be remarkably upset with a variety of people, but mostly Annie. This is his special fish time! How dare she!
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Post by dragonsong12 on Jan 20, 2010 14:30:34 GMT
Interesting. Personally, my first thought was that when coyote said "pathetic" he was either testing or goading her at that point. It wasn't what he thought himself, it was what he thought she might think. By saying it himself, he can get a reaction, either agreement or disagreement or something, from her.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Jan 20, 2010 14:54:34 GMT
Why are you guys assuming that Ysengrin isn't dangerous? That body is something that uses his tree-manipulation powers, but there's nothing that suggests he can't use those powers while out of it. The tree-body is presumably a convenient way of carrying a bunch of tree with him so that he can access his power in places like the Court where there isn't any greenery, but right now he is /surrounded/ by trees. This is pretty much the last place anybody should want to fight him.
Could be "stand your ground" because that's what animals do in dominance-struggle situations. Or because that's going to be the best way of dealing with however he's going to react to this. Or because it would be the funniest thing she could do in this situation. Or because Coyote gave his word that no harm would come to her and will rescue her if absolutely necessary. Probably all of the above.
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Post by the bandit on Jan 20, 2010 15:27:43 GMT
re: Pathetic. Coyote is brutally honest, even in admitting to his own mistakes (cf. glass-eyed men, Ysengrin's shakes, no Coyote constellation).
A clever trickster god may turn events out to the benefit of his patsies, but never forget that the first and foremost priority to the trickster god is riotous entertainment.
Trickster gods are just the sort to take some bugs, put 'em in a jar, and shake 'em.
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Post by todd on Jan 20, 2010 23:23:51 GMT
No, wait, Annie's not the sort to run away. She's dead. End of the comic. Not necessarily the end; the role of narrator-protagonist could shift to Kat. (Though there might be some difficulties there; Kat has no close ties with many of the threads, such as Zimmy and Gamma or Parley and Smith, hasn't been invited into Gillitie Wood, etc.)
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Post by Deca on Jan 21, 2010 4:44:39 GMT
No, wait, Annie's not the sort to run away. She's dead. End of the comic. Not necessarily the end; the role of narrator-protagonist could shift to Kat. (Though there might be some difficulties there; Kat has no close ties with many of the threads, such as Zimmy and Gamma or Parley and Smith, hasn't been invited into Gillitie Wood, etc.) The point is moot anyway. Since the narration says that Annie doesn't see her father for two years, this means she survives to see her absent father again.
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Post by rosewind26 on Jan 21, 2010 7:03:57 GMT
I don't think Coyote would intentionally harm Annie, in fact when he first invited her I believe he made a promise to the contrary. I think he wants her to show Ysengrin that he cannot intimidate everyone, when he said "stand your ground" I thats where my suspicions went.
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Post by todd on Jan 21, 2010 11:42:54 GMT
The point is moot anyway. Since the narration says that Annie doesn't see her father for two years, this means she survives to see her absent father again. Unless the two years later is when he shows up in the afterlife.... (Though I don't really think that'll be the case.)
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