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Post by Seth Thresher on Aug 25, 2009 5:24:24 GMT
#335: There's an "S hearts B" carved into the treebark down in panel 4. I feel like I should know who these two might be, but I can't remember a this hour... Also, I really like the art in that chapter. Annie's got a nice smile in panel 3  Also Kat's got a nice brain bleach face in panel 13. (top of the page dance! man, i've just got the knack for these on this forum!)
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Post by Yin on Aug 25, 2009 5:35:48 GMT
We have discovered your calling on this forum. It is to dance at the top of the page.
I notice a lot of things when rereading for icon-making, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Aug 25, 2009 5:36:56 GMT
I don't think there's too many characters whose names start with S or B. Surma, Sivo, Shadow2, S1, Basil, Bob, Brinnie. Boxbot...
My guess is that Tom chose those initials as a reference to the element antimony: its symbol on the periodic table is Sb.
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Post by bluemotion on Aug 25, 2009 5:41:02 GMT
No, no, it's obviously Surma <3 Boxbot.
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Post by Seth Thresher on Aug 25, 2009 6:10:51 GMT
*phew* well at least it looks like nobody else knows too. I was afraid I was walking right into a question I really should have known the answer too.
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Post by judgedeadd on Aug 25, 2009 6:50:24 GMT
No, no, it's obviously Surma <3 Boxbot. Which implies that Boxbot is Antimony's real father. |
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Post by jon77 on Aug 25, 2009 9:25:24 GMT
#335: There's an "S hearts B" carved into the treebark down in panel 4. I feel like I should know who these two might be, but I can't remember a this hour... Neat observation We still haven't been told the name of the guy whose body Reynardine took over to woo the fiery Surma. Maybe his name was Banthony Barber. |
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Post by chiparoo on Aug 25, 2009 12:38:58 GMT
I don't think there's too many characters whose names start with S or B. Surma, Sivo, Shadow2, S1, Basil, Bob, Brinnie. Boxbot... My guess is that Tom chose those initials as a reference to the element antimony: its symbol on the periodic table is Sb. Dude that's AWESOME. I had noticed the initials when the page first appeared, but was waiting to find out if S and B would ever present themselves. But I enjoy this explanation a bit more, I think  |
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 26, 2009 2:28:49 GMT
#335: There's an "S hearts B" carved into the treebark down in panel 4. I feel like I should know who these two might be, but I can't remember a this hour... People's inability to come up with answers as to who the mysterious 'B' might represent made me think of this page. We never did learn his name, maybe it was a 'B'. Although I do quite like Mezz' explanation. Edit: Ah, I see Jon already said that. |
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Post by xenophonhendrix on Aug 26, 2009 6:15:16 GMT
I noticed Reynardme putting himself in front of Antimony when Ysengrim attacked the first time I read it, of course, but I just realized that if Antimony had been killed, Reynardme probably would have been free from control, unless control automatically passes to Antimony's heirs even without her having a last will and testament. This also puts Coyote's skirt lifting in a different light. Did he know exactly what was going to happen? He is a god, after all. |
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Post by jon77 on Aug 26, 2009 7:43:00 GMT
I noticed Reynardme putting himself in front of Antimony when Ysengrim attacked the first time I read it, of course, but I just realized that if Antimony had been killed, Reynardme probably would have been free from control, unless control automatically passes to Antimony's heirs even without her having a last will and testament. You know, that's a very good point. It's like he's a completely different person from the one who tried to take over Annie's body, knowing it would kill her. I can only think of two explanations: 1) At some point we will learn that taking her body wasn't going to kill her. 2) Reynardine at some point says to Kat: "Well, the mind is nothing but a plaything of the body, correct?". This is a rather odd philosophy, but it suits the world of GC, in which bodies can be replaced. Reynardine's body is now a stuffed animal which Surma made for Annie. Maybe that's playing with his mind a bit? If so, getting a new body might change his character completely. As Eglamore said - "Reynardine is not to be trusted". I think Coyote can't resist a good joke, and the devil take the consequences. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 26, 2009 9:39:02 GMT
There's no reason to doubt that Annie would have died if Reynardine had possessed her. But trapped in a painfully injured body and then imprisoned with nothing to do, R. was rather desperate.
Once in the toy... Reynardine found out that things aren't so bad. If he were freed from Annie's control, Anja and company would be on his tail and locking him up again right quick. Annie allows him quite a bit of liberty. And it's certainly more interesting than sitting in that prison cell with a spear through his leg.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Aug 26, 2009 10:10:55 GMT
The even easier solution is that Reynardine never attempted to possess Annie, that he was after the stuffed toy from the start.
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Post by sanguine on Aug 26, 2009 12:18:24 GMT
Unless of course, we have a more sympathetic Severus Snape kind of affection at work here which might imply that Reynardine had no intentions of killing Annie. This, though, does not mean to say he did not wish to possess her as I have a nagging question in my head about whether or not the host's sentience is preserved even during the possession. The end result may be a situation where the two consciousnesses might remain alive in the body (possibly indefinitely, as Rey seems to have quite the extended lifespan), except the Reynard simply takes control as the dominant one. If I remember correctly, this idea might make some sense due to Eglamore's comment (again, if I remember right) about how Sivo would finally be able to rest in peace after Rey's transfer into the doll. If death for the host's sentience happens right after the possession takes place, then Sivo should have been considered as dead long after Rey had begun to take control. Imagine immortalizing your beloved's daughter while having the chance to protect her from harm, all that at the price of simply taking away the poor girl's liberty. Wicked, yes, but for a wolf-creature bound to a Rogat Orjak for five years experiencing maddening desperation, the logic might sound much better than it actually does. Or perhaps my theories might have simply been produced by imbibing too much of an orange flavored soft drink as well as college's looming final exams, and are therefore completely off. Ugch. xD You know, that's a very good point. It's like he's a completely different person from the one who tried to take over Annie's body, knowing it would kill her. I can only think of two explanations: 1) At some point we will learn that taking her body wasn't going to kill her. 2) Reynardine at some point says to Kat: "Well, the mind is nothing but a plaything of the body, correct?". This is a rather odd philosophy, but it suits the world of GC, in which bodies can be replaced. Reynardine's body is now a stuffed animal which Surma made for Annie. Maybe that's playing with his mind a bit? If so, getting a new body might change his character completely. As Eglamore said - "Reynardine is not to be trusted". That's a brilliant idea! Perhaps Reynardine's affection for Antimony is the byproduct of having taken possession of an object that was made as a gesture of love for her. Goodness, good observation there! |
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Post by Casey on Aug 26, 2009 14:50:25 GMT
The even easier solution is that Reynardine never attempted to possess Annie, that he was after the stuffed toy from the start. I've been a big fan of this theory ever since it was first presented, and the best evidence in favor of it that I've seen was how Reynardine cursed Annie for ruining his " perfect disguise". P.S.: Though I don't recall exactly where, in one of the Questions to Tom threads, Tom specifically said that the consciousness of the host victim is extinguished the moment Reynardine takes over the body. I'd like to be able to link it for you, but, those threads are LONG and the Search function doesn't like me. |
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Post by the bandit on Aug 26, 2009 15:57:52 GMT
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 26, 2009 16:07:05 GMT
[285] : When swinging his sword at Ysengrin, Eglamore stepped so hard the concrete (?) floor of The Court's front court cracked.
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Post by the bandit on Aug 26, 2009 16:09:44 GMT
Thanks for the support in clearing up the mind-body issue, pep. As to being on topic: Actually, Reynardine's true intentions (in my view) in the scene where he attempts to take Annie's body is the only thing so far in this thread that I didn't notice until a re-read. =) When you first read the story you don't know Rey well enough to realize it's out of character for him to kill Surma's daughter.
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Post by Casey on Aug 26, 2009 16:54:50 GMT
You noticed that Willie was holding Janet's hat in Power Station the very first time you read it? I commend you on your skills of observation.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 26, 2009 17:00:46 GMT
I dunno. A trapped animal will attack whoever/whatever it can to escape.
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Post by wynne on Aug 26, 2009 17:42:52 GMT
#478Eglamore's holding up a little Annie-sized suit of armor. I totally missed that the first time around.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 26, 2009 17:53:04 GMT
[479] Despite Annie's dislike of Eglamore, she did indeed use the clip-on tie. I dunno. A trapped animal will attack whoever/whatever it can to escape. Except that Reynardine is not your average wild animal. He's a calculating demon.
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Post by Casey on Aug 26, 2009 18:15:11 GMT
[479] Despite Annie's dislike of Eglamore, she did indeed use the clip-on tie. Once again, though, I have to say that I really don't think Annie dislikes Eglamore nearly as much as some of you think she does. |
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Post by Snes on Aug 26, 2009 23:57:53 GMT
[223] Tom's comment at the end takes new meaning thanks to recent exposition about the Court's origin.
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Post by Casey on Aug 27, 2009 3:12:38 GMT
Here's something I just noticed for the first time during a re-read just now. In the next to last panel of this page... We don't know at this point in the chapter who all has come across the bridge--we may assume it's just Robot, since he appears in the last panel--but look at the shadow of the figure in the next to last panel. Someone superbly observant might have noticed that that's the Shadow Man many pages before we actually learn that! Especially considering, there -are no shadows- of the traditional sort when you're on the bridge. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 27, 2009 6:06:07 GMT
Mine is that when Annie brought up Rey it wasn't just "oh, by the way" before leaving: she did it immediately after Mr. Eglamore opened his mouth too wide. Also, his dismissive remark was not justified: she didn't told it to Kat until it was obvious. And this mostly affected him (much like she cut down to size Ysengrin picking on Eglamore later). Then she sends her apologies for the collateral damage to Donlans, meaning there was one intended target. #509 Only just noticed that one of the robots is wringing a cap in his hands. What's a robot doing with a cap? ;D It wears it, of course. My interpretation is that it went off when hostilities started, rather than BEEEE! or not BEEEE! at each individual action. To BEEEE! or not to BEEEE!, that is the question (i know, i know, cheap shot). Jiminiminy's symbol is that of lead. There hasn't been anything official about what it stands for, but I suspect it has to do with shielding and protection, hence why it adorns the Dragon Slayer's armor. And/or "Eat lead!" ;D After all, it's still "the Court at Gunner's Crag. Something like dat". Really. And as an equal with the Court's official one. Etiquette-wise this may be because when Court was founded, it wasn't monolithic but different equal factions brought together. Also making an appearance is Bismuth (of course) and the circle-within-a-circle mark that seems to be the symbol of the court ... There are also a couple instances of bismuth that has a dot within the circle, which I assume is a combination of the two symbols. Yes, and while their chief's throne bears Bismuth sign, the curtain immediately behind it on the wall has this circle, Bismuth and something else, higher. Now all this heraldry becomes interesting. I also just got that Kat is into Muut because of his sexy, sexy owl head. Was. Heh, i missed this one. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Aug 27, 2009 6:29:01 GMT
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Post by Casey on Aug 27, 2009 6:44:37 GMT
...and hovered there, for three whole frames, waiting for Eglamore to push her out of the way, so that neither of them could see where he actually went. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Aug 27, 2009 7:23:43 GMT
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Post by Casey on Aug 27, 2009 7:25:51 GMT
And yet........... See it's still possible to see two things totally differently. But alas, we are completely hijacking this thread which I think is a shame. |
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Also Kat's got a nice brain bleach face in panel 13.
