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Post by edzepp on Apr 15, 2009 7:01:46 GMT
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Post by eightyfour on Apr 15, 2009 7:05:12 GMT
Looks familiar, indeed. Reminds me a bit of this dude here, however I don't think that's what was intended.
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Post by Casey on Apr 15, 2009 7:17:13 GMT
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Post by orpheus on Apr 15, 2009 7:21:30 GMT
I wonder what happened to all that cool armor. Eglamore hasn't been seen wearing it, only pieces that resemble it.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Apr 15, 2009 7:23:30 GMT
In this comic, Sivo was the Rogat Orjak that Reynard had taken over, James's friend. I wonder what the signicance of the armor is...
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Post by Casey on Apr 15, 2009 7:23:48 GMT
If I had to guess (and I do) I would imagine each dragon-slayer's armor is custom made to fit them, while sharing certain thematic elements such as the green... cowl? and the symbol on the front.
P.S. this response is to Orpheus, and not to Fhqwhgads, who of course has the most awesome name on the planet.
I said come... on... Fhqwhgads, I said come on Fhqwhgads! Everybody to the limit, everybody to the limit, everybody come on Fhqwhgads!
(anyone who doesn't get this reference is denying themselves a buffet of awesomeness)
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Post by mudmaniac on Apr 15, 2009 7:27:11 GMT
The rogat orjak. hmm. i guess that is where James was off training when Surma and Anja were looking at robots. Likely where he learned "SINGLE BOUND"
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 15, 2009 8:04:51 GMT
It's interesting that James is already marked as a candidate for the Dragon Slayer position this early.
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Post by Kuraru on Apr 15, 2009 8:05:57 GMT
Looks familiar, indeed. Reminds me a bit of this dude here, however I don't think that's what was intended. I'm pretty sure that was exactly what Tom intended.
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Post by audacity on Apr 15, 2009 14:51:52 GMT
Th rss feed hasn't been working right for the last couple of updates. It's hard to have to check the site manually (yeah; so HARD to use a magic lightning box to look at pictures and read stories from anywhere with the click of a button! I realize this is a first-world problem. But still!). Looks familiar, indeed. Reminds me a bit of this dude here, however I don't think that's what was intended. I'm pretty sure that was exactly what Tom intended. Without Elgamore IN the armor, it does look VERY similar to the robot-monster from that chapter. Hmmm... As much as this story is Antimony's, it is also very much Jeanne's. As more things are revealed we learn more about both of them, and I become increasingly convinced that Tom is a master story-teller.
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Post by Scheherazade on Apr 15, 2009 16:58:58 GMT
I don't see why the Dragon Slayers would not have unique armour; if it's going to fit, it simply makes sense to fit it to each new person. Unless Mr. Thorn is going to snap his fingers and suddenly Eglamore will have his adult shape...
Perhaps Dragon Slayer is not the best term, though... this is presumably a somewhat secret group, so he just doesn't contradict Annie. Maybe each member must go and find a rogat orjak to become partners with, be mentored by them for a time, then make their own armour before coming back. (which makes me wonder... when Rey or Coyote take bodies, where does the previous occupant go? How would that process be different for Coyote as opposed to Rey, as his bodies live through it (Coyote steps in and out lightly, not taking anything too seriously?)? Can they see the memories of whoever was in the body last?)
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Post by sandjosieph on Apr 15, 2009 18:24:32 GMT
The cowl, the armor, the cape, the symbol on the chest...Dear God he's BATMAN!
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Post by uskuri on Apr 15, 2009 18:40:49 GMT
His armor is almost as cool as his beard.
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Post by Casey on Apr 15, 2009 19:31:49 GMT
The cowl, the armor, the cape, the symbol on the chest...Dear God he's BATMAN! Oh yes, didn't you hear? Below is the original version of the page: Haha!
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Post by warrl on Apr 15, 2009 19:33:20 GMT
(which makes me wonder... when Rey or Coyote take bodies, where does the previous occupant go? How would that process be different for Coyote as opposed to Rey, as his bodies live through it (Coyote steps in and out lightly, not taking anything too seriously?)? Can they see the memories of whoever was in the body last?) When Rey steps into a body, the previous occupant apparently is kicked out... permanently. When Coyote does the same, it hasn't been said just what happens but the previous occupant is still around somewhere and able to resume control when Coyote moves on. Why the difference? Coyote doesn't know. I suspect it's a failure to thoroughly understand how he himself does things. Pure guesswork follows: Coyote moves *part of* himself from one body to another. This leaves enough of a connection to his original body to keep it alive, and allows the new body's prior occupant to keep a toehold there and thus come back when Coyote leaves. But Coyote thinks he just moves himself from one body to another, and that's the ability he gave Reynard. Thus when Reynard left his original body it died, and when he moves into a new body the prior occupant is completely expelled. I don't have a similar explanation on tap for why Ysengrim trembles. I probably could come up with one though.
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Post by fuzzyone on Apr 15, 2009 20:32:48 GMT
A Minor problem with that theory... We know that Reynard was conscious of his power's lethal side effect, Because we see him looking at the corpse of a rabbit... and looking at it with a sad expression on his vulpine face. The Original body of Reynard was still alive, at least after his first jump. He's made at LEAST 3 jumps since then. Unidentified student, Sivo, then The toy made by Surma. What has happened to his body in the interim? Who knows. It's been posited that Perhaps Ysengrin has a Foxskin rug somewhere in the woods. And if not that, then a foxy footstool.
Perhaps Ysengrin's trembling can be attributed to him forcing the wood of his 'body' into a shape completely alien to a tree's natural form, and holding it that way. I am curious as to why Ysengrin would choose such a humanoid form, when it's very clear that he has no love for humans... I would have expected more to see him as a great big wooden wolf...
I do think you're onto something with Coyote being unaware of the intricacies of how his power works. That, or it's just the fact that he's a trickster... And just did it for the Lulz.
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Post by mjh on Apr 15, 2009 21:01:48 GMT
Trickster gods are wielding tremendous powers, but the use of these powers invariably yields less than perfect results. It is no wonder that Coyote, as powerful as he is, has no real clue as to what he does and how he sometimes fails. That’s just in the nature of a trickster god, and I don’t think we need to be concerned about the exact mechanisms involved.
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Post by warrl on Apr 15, 2009 21:34:57 GMT
A Minor problem with that theory... We know that Reynard was conscious of his power's lethal side effect, Because we see him looking at the corpse of a rabbit... and looking at it with a sad expression on his vulpine face. The Original body of Reynard was still alive, at least after his first jump. You may be correct, or he may have jumped into a different fox. Or, minor adjustment, maybe he kept a toehold in his own body but moved too much and crowded the host-owner out. Or of course maybe I'm slightly off-track. Or totally going in the wrong direction. I think it's likely. I can describe precisely how to parallel-park a car (my daughter heard the description once and then parallel-parked almost perfectly on her first try), but I can't explain how I worked out the description. Coyote was trying to teach Rey how to make his soul do something, not how to move physical objects out in plain sight. Coyote said something about Rey's host body being "used up" but since we already think his understanding of this stuff is imperfect, and Sivo lasted about five years and still looked reasonably healthy aside from a lance or something through his leg, we can't assume that Coyote's description is correct.
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Apr 15, 2009 21:42:33 GMT
Jones mentions in chapter 14 that Ysengrim is going insane. It could be that the new body of his is affecting his brain and in turn it's ability to control his movements. Maybe he has some sort of ailment, though I find that unlikely since I have to assume that he is immortal and immune to that sort of thing.
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Post by armonis on Apr 15, 2009 22:08:46 GMT
I'm a big fan or armor. Expect some fanart.
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Post by ding on Apr 15, 2009 22:33:05 GMT
Nice job on the Batman mod!
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Post by tyler on Apr 15, 2009 22:39:19 GMT
Looks familiar, indeed. Reminds me a bit of this dude here, however I don't think that's what was intended. The armor does remind me of that armor, but looking over that scene overall I don't see any other connections, so I think it's just a coincidence. EDIT: Nevermind. I'm dumb.
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Post by Casey on Apr 15, 2009 22:42:42 GMT
I noticed that too Tyler but I was unsure of where to mention it.
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Post by tyler on Apr 15, 2009 22:44:47 GMT
I noticed that too Tyler but I was unsure of where to mention it. It's meant to be that. I didn't read Tom's bit at the bottom. I think it's just the way the pages switch so suddenly between three different time periods that threw me off. However, finishing out that chapter does indicate via Surma/Anja's conversation that the robots have been down there for quite some time, which means even their generation may know nothing of Jeanne.
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Post by Dentrala on Apr 16, 2009 1:15:43 GMT
It's interesting that James is already marked as a candidate for the Dragon Slayer position this early. Well, the mediums in the current day are about the same age as James; I don't see what is so unusual about this. Interesting theory on Reynardine's powers, by the way. Maybe Ysengrim shakes because Coyote gave him the ability to make trees move, while when Ysengrim doesn't want to move, it moves anyways? He doesn't shake when he's doing something with his arm.
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Post by mjh on Apr 16, 2009 11:54:05 GMT
Without Elgamore IN the armor, it does look VERY similar to the robot-monster from that chapter. Hmmm... So maybe the robot monster wasn’t actually intended to represent some real monster? It could have been the caricature of a knight wearing armour. Anything’s possible since we do not know who or what had killed Jeanne. Robot’s line “You will pay for what you did to her. But you will never been forgiven.” would more properly be addressed to someone with his own free will, knowing perfectly well what he does and what the consequences will be. Rather than to some brainless monster with no more accountability for its actions than a tsunami or a hurricane have.
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Post by mjh on Apr 16, 2009 12:03:12 GMT
Maybe Ysengrim shakes because Coyote gave him the ability to make trees move, while when Ysengrim doesn't want to move, it moves anyways? He doesn't shake when he's doing something with his arm. It’s not like we would know that wolftree hybrids, created by a sufficiently competent god, usually showed no trembling limbs. We only have this one data point to go on, making it difficult to generalise and theorise. Maybe there was some warning that Coyote missed: “Wolftree hybrids typically develop Parkinson’s disease and turn insane within a few years; not recommended.”
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Post by audacity on Apr 16, 2009 13:21:23 GMT
Without Elgamore IN the armor, it does look VERY similar to the robot-monster from that chapter. Hmmm... So maybe the robot monster wasn’t actually intended to represent some real monster? It could have been the caricature of a knight wearing armour. Anything’s possible since we do not know who or what had killed Jeanne. Robot’s line “You will pay for what you did to her. But you will never been forgiven.” would more properly be addressed to someone with his own free will, knowing perfectly well what he does and what the consequences will be. Rather than to some brainless monster with no more accountability for its actions than a tsunami or a hurricane have. See Reynardine's choice of words in the third panel here. "A representation of someone involved in her death?"
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 16, 2009 14:11:18 GMT
Maybe Ysengrim shakes because Coyote gave him the ability to make trees move, while when Ysengrim doesn't want to move, it moves anyways? He doesn't shake when he's doing something with his arm. It’s not like we would know that wolftree hybrids, created by a sufficiently competent god, usually showed no trembling limbs. We only have this one data point to go on, making it difficult to generalise and theorise. Maybe there was some warning that Coyote missed: “Wolftree hybrids typically develop Parkinson’s disease and turn insane within a few years; not recommended.” I think it's likely that Ysengrim shakes because he's linked to the trees. He has control over them, but perhaps there's some kind of feedback, meaning that he trembles when the trees tremble i.e. in the wind.
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Post by Rasselas on Apr 16, 2009 15:29:06 GMT
He was given a gift from a powerful God that he himself is not powerful enough to control completely. That is why he shakes, it's a struggle to keep the power in control.
It is parallel to the power Reynardine got and the trouble he's had with it. Gods are powerful beings, carrying powerful tools of office. Mortals, or even other supernatural beings will not easily wield them.
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